The Bren Ten is back!

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SHOOT1SAM, did you have blueprints to provide to Vltor?

StVitus,

No blueprints, just the pistol, magazine and a manual. I'm pretty certain that mine was not the only Bren Ten they bought-I'm pretty sure that Eric told me they were/had bought a few of them to study for the engineering, but I think mine was the last one (because of the time frame).

Keep in mind that Eric had previously owned one and has written about it-I could hear the enthusiasm and determination to bring this prject to fruition in his voice.

Sam
 
SHOOT1SAM,

You wouldn't happen to be in NY state? Did you get your Bren from Fl?

Thanks,

Stu

P.S. To all of you that think the Tanfoglio is "just as good" ask a few gunsmiths what they've had to fix. My 1006 and 1076's are built "Ford Tough" and my Austrian Jackhammer has yet to fail me (Glock 20).

That having been said, my Bren Tens comprise a group of guns which are among the most accurate production guns I own and they'll outshoot several of my 1911s from well known custom makers. Lots of CDI factor as well....;)

HELL YES I WANT A NEW ONE!:D
 
Stu,

No, I'm not in New York. I bought it from Collector's Firearms out of Houston, TX (?) after seeing it online.

Sam
 
Man... I SO want a 10mm that is uber-accurate. I really could care less about a high capacity, so long as I can put every shot right there.
 
The Witness Elite Match can do that now. The only fault I find with it (aside from a propensity to drop its magazines prematurely) is that its sights are very "tight" -- the front blade almost fills the rear apeture. Good for precision, sometimes tough to pick up under low-light conditions or against dark targets.

Like an earlier poster, I'm curious to see what the barrel bushing will do for the pistol... increase strength? Improve consistency? Complicate field stripping?
 
Yes but apparently hit and miss on quality, some issues with cracking and very poor customer service reports do not make me want to exactly jump into one of those. If I shoot one, it will most definitely not be with reduced loads. I will use it to hunt and it will have near/max loads to hunt with.
 
boomer1911a1 wrote:
The Witness Elite Match can do that now. The only fault I find with it (aside from a propensity to drop its magazines prematurely).................

I agree that the Witness Elite Match is almost scarily accurate. Mine prematurely ejected its magazines as well; they needed the notch adjusted a little bit (and a little thinking about baseball) & now they're good. A stronger firing pin spring and recoil spring are not bad things either.

Still, I don't care how accurate it is, I'm down for at least 2 Fortis pistols.

Sam
 
Official Company Info Letter

I sent an email to Vltor, asking for info and got this back. Lookin' good!

February 6, 2008



Dear Fortis Enthusiast,



Due to the overwhelming and positive response to the Fortis Pistol Project, we would like to address some of the questions, comments and concerns that we received from the 2008 Shot Show.



First and foremost, the Fortis Pistol is neither a concept nor a “market study”; we are moving forward with the Fortis. As many people saw at the show, we have finished a great deal of the design work and are evaluating prototype design models now. We are taking every possible step to ensure that the Fortis will incorporate the absolute best materials and manufacture technique available.



As part of a leading aerospace manufacturer, Vltor is able to use state of the art computer simulations for design testing, stress analysis, and geometric dimension and tolerance testing; furthermore, the Fortis will undergo extensive range testing and evaluation, to ensure that the final release product is worthy of the place it will take in the handgun world.



We are not yet ready to commit to a release date for the Fortis… we have learned from others in the industry that announcing a release date this early most often leads to one of two things: The release date is missed, causing discouragement and anxiety in buyers, or the product becomes a “rush job” to meet the release date. We will avoid the old axiom that there is never time to do it right, but always time to do it over – and take the time to ensure that the Fortis is done right the first time. With that said, we expect that the first release of the Fortis will be around the end of the year.



As for the estimated price of the Fortis, this can set the same type of trap as guessing a release date – or goal is to bring the base level Fortis to the market, at a price that is competitive with a mid-level 1911 style pistol.



The First release of the Fortis is being developed in both 10mm Auto and .45ACP, there will be other calibers available in the future. Also, while identical in appearance and feel, the first release will not be a 100% reproduction of the original Bren-Ten pistol; there are design modifications to improve the strength, safety and reliability of the pistol. It is too early to say what parts will be interchangeable between the Fortis and the original Bren-Ten.



After the first release of the Fortis, we will offer other models and levels of finish in the Fortis line. In addition to compact, tactical and lightweight designs, we will offer an exact reproduction of the original Bren-Ten as a legacy collector.



It has always been a policy of Vltor Weapons to avoid certain ad hoc news venues; while internet forums and public message boards are great for much of the information they provide, it is all to often impossible to establish what information is accurate and what is not – therefore, any news about the Fortis that comes from rumor control is exactly that: rumor.



We have established an official website at www.fortispistol.com that will be the only official source of information on the Fortis Pistol Project – we will update the information there as needed, and will try our best to keep you up to date as development and manufacture continues. Please check there for any questions you might have in the future and thank you for you interest in the Fortis and your support in making an American dream happen. This message was automatically generated and we hope that it answers any questions you may have. Please do not reply to this email, all you will get is this same auto-generated message.



Thank you for your interest.



Respectfully,



Eric S. Kincel

General Manager

Vltor Weapon Systems.
 
"...Man... I SO want a 10mm that is uber-accurate. I really could care less about a high capacity, so long as I can put every shot right there."

Markbo, I found my 1006 was very accurate with MAX loads, and the Kimber STII-10mm I have does 2+" groups at 50 yards. You might look into those.

However, insofar as this new Bren Ten is concerned--we have a reputable company using a name, but not the same pistol design, appparently. I wonder when pictures of preproduction prototypes will be made available.

The business objectives he states for this new pistol are admirable, I think, and his information in response to bommer1911a1's inquery doesn't have to be read as obfuscation. Having said that--so far, the information on this pistol reminds me as much as promotion from the heydeys of "new software" when the microcomputer was in full swing as it does of firearms press releases. I guess I'll be a skeptic on this one, until I read / see reviews of a production pistol.

Jim H.
 
I'm excited to see the production pistols in both 10mm & .45. I also like the return of the Delta Elite, is it just me or does the Delta's slide look heavier and does the barrel lock up directly w/ the slide sans a barrel bushing? Someone let me know about it, thanks!
 
I'm excited to see the production pistols in both 10mm & .45. I also like the return of the Delta Elite, is it just me or does the Delta's slide look heavier and does the barrel lock up directly w/ the slide sans a barrel bushing? Someone let me know about it, thanks

strangelittleman,

The "new" Delta Elite has a bushingless, bull barrel and a wide grip safety.

Sam
 
Well I had a 1006 and it broke so often I carried extra ejectors in my pockets. It was indeed built like a tank, but like an Italian or French tank, certainly not an Abrams. My Witness compact, full size and Elite Match all eat 200gr 1200fps loads all day long without battering or enlarging the slide stop holes and my magazines stay in just fine thank you. I guess I got the three good ones.
 
FWIW, my 1006 was a later one--and I had absolutely no problems with it.

and, like MPMarty, my EAA Witnesses just chug along with no issues. The latest one, an Elite Match 10mm, appears like it might be capable of good accuracy without a barrel bushing when fed the right loads.

Jim H.
 
I wonder what the Colonel would have to say about the Fortis if he was still alive. I imagine he would be pleased even though at times he had claimed the Bren Ten and 10mm was a flawed concept.
 
jfh - is correct the frame of the 1006 AND the 4506 are built like tanks ! Same frame, just different caliber, one in 10mm and the other .45 Acp.
The frame is so strong the 4506 will handle the 45 Super without any modifcations !

Well I had a 1006 and it broke so often I carried extra ejectors in my pockets

Did you mean to say "Ejectors" ?? I can believe extractors breaking .....but ejectors ? something had to be seriously wrong with your pistol - something S&W would have taken care of quickly.

I still have one of the original 1006's and carry it daily as my CCW. It has had some trigger work that makes it as smooth as butter. The weight takes some getting use to in daily carry, but when it comes time for the big girl to scream - multiple shots are easy -- do to her mass. Can't imagine what FBI agents couldn't handle the recoil ?? A double tap with a Corbon JHP will ruin anyones day.

The 1006 is still the tank that I trust with the 10mm power .

JF.
 
StVitus:

You know that the "three dot manufacturing error" story is an urban legend or you should. If you didn't, you should read the book. :)

Any similarity between a Witness and a real Bren Ten is purely coincident. The latter is a vastly superior weapon that suffered from quality control issues, especially in the beginning.

Bruce

Bruce
 
I wonder if the Fortis and the DE 10mms will spur S&W into reintroducing the 10xx series.
 
I hope this new "Bren Ten" is fairly affordable. I want one simply because it was one of the star guns in Miami Vice. If it is $1000+ I will have a difficult time justifying it....
 
I was talking to the guy down at the gun store the other day about 10mm. Both he and I agreed the the 10mm would be making a comeback. Now news of Colt coming out with a new Delta Elite, and Vltor with this Fortis.
 
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