The Ideal Combo Rifle
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I agree with Brian Williams that maybe the combo gun idea isn't as great as it's cracked up to be.
Pack a .22 handgun for the small stuff and good centerfire rifle for the bigger stuff. You'd likely have not much more weight than the combo gun, if any, and still be just as well equipped.
Having said that, I've seen some pretty cool drillings - one was a 30'06 in the rib with a side by side 12 gauge under it. It was just freakin' cool and there's no way I'd ever want to talk the guy who made it out of making it!
Pack a .22 handgun for the small stuff and good centerfire rifle for the bigger stuff. You'd likely have not much more weight than the combo gun, if any, and still be just as well equipped.
Having said that, I've seen some pretty cool drillings - one was a 30'06 in the rib with a side by side 12 gauge under it. It was just freakin' cool and there's no way I'd ever want to talk the guy who made it out of making it!
Would you have been unacceptably inconvenienced to have 3 rifles/shotguns in the three calibers of your drilling rather than a single rifle capable of all 3? Not to say you carried all three with you at all times, but if you're living out there, is there harm in having two others sit at home while you're out with the third?DM~ said:
DammitBoy
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It's a shame they didn't design the M6 to chamber the .45colt and the .410 round. That would have been a great idea.
JerryM
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Although one is not required to shoot birds on the wing, and in a survival situation I would not, it might be necessary in order to eat. It would be good to have the capability.
In watching survival shows the big problem is finding enough food. A shotgun and a .22 provide the best combination considering the weight of the gun and the ammo. You can shoot everything from small birds and rabbits to moose.
Regards,
Jerry
In watching survival shows the big problem is finding enough food. A shotgun and a .22 provide the best combination considering the weight of the gun and the ammo. You can shoot everything from small birds and rabbits to moose.
Regards,
Jerry
Vern Humphrey
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Combo guns as survival tools stem from them being issued to airmen. There's a limit to what you can cram into an airman's survival kit, and the idea was what would serve a man who had to bail out over a wilderness area.
If you're not constrained by what you can strap to your ejection seat, you really don't need a combo gun. But here are some good choices:
An M1911, with shot and flare shells as well as ball, plus a .22 conversion kit and a brick of ammo.
A centerfire rifle with a Hammon Game Getter (a modified case that takes a .22 rimfire nail-setting blank and a sized buckshot). Mine is in .30-06 and I've taken many a squirrel while hunting deer.
An ordinary 12 gauge pump with both shot and slugs, plus a good .22 pistol.
If you're not constrained by what you can strap to your ejection seat, you really don't need a combo gun. But here are some good choices:
An M1911, with shot and flare shells as well as ball, plus a .22 conversion kit and a brick of ammo.
A centerfire rifle with a Hammon Game Getter (a modified case that takes a .22 rimfire nail-setting blank and a sized buckshot). Mine is in .30-06 and I've taken many a squirrel while hunting deer.
An ordinary 12 gauge pump with both shot and slugs, plus a good .22 pistol.
DM~
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To answer your question in one word "yes"...
Living out in the bush isn't like you are daydreaming of. Finding food isn't always easy to do, and "waiting for the perfect shot" (as suggested by one person here) is a good way to go hungary!
The best way i've found, is to have what you need with you when you need it, and that's why i drifted to a drilling. I bought it for $350.00 and slowly restored/built it to what i believed was the perfect hunting gun for me. Yes it worked as i bought it, but i made it MUCH better.
If i saw small game that i could get with the 22, it got the 22. Even at 40 or 50 yards. If it was flying it gets the shot bbl... and of course the best part of all is, i have a big game rifle in my hands at all times.
I'm an above average handgun shot, and i can tell you, a handgun will leave you hungary at times. Even in Alaska, there isn't something to eat behind every bush, and sometimes you have to shoot further than you can guarentee a killing shot with a handgun.
Life in the bush is very hard, i figured i didn't neeed to make it even harder by letting food get away because i had the wrong gun with me... lol
DM
thunder173
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I actually own 3 combo guns,....and am always on the lookout for more. Two that I own are Baikal's; one is in .22LR,... the other is in .22 Magnum,..both are over a .410 barrel,...and I just recently ran down a Savage Model 24 in .223 over 12 gauge as well.
All three can be easily taken down, carried in or on a vehicle while taken down, unloaded and cased in a 24 inch or smaller stowable package. I may just be lucky,..but of the three I have,...all of them pattern well with interchangeable choke tubes. All well enough for what they are to be used for,..and they are adequately accurate with iron sights with both barrels out to the ranges I anticipate using them.
Why the combo's?? Mainly because I like the concept of the one gun rifle/shotgun combination. Of those that I have,...I'd be hard pressed to choose between either of the .22 versions of the Baikals, ...but I mostly go with the .22 magnum for it's longer reach. My bride tends to carry the .22LR version. For just a good walking gun,...either would do,..and both of the Baikal's have been successfully used to take small game for the kettle. The Savage has yet to draw blood,..but that's from lack of opportunity,...as versus its lack of capability. I am confident it will soon.
If I were to find myself in a situation where I would be limited to just one,....it'd be the .22 magnum version with the .410,...and hopefully a wide selection of ammo for it. But that could easily change if I were to see a .22 Magnum over a 20 gauge,...or maybe a 30/30 over either 12 or 20 gauge. At any decent price,....either or both would probably follow me home.
The whole concept of the combo is to have differing options available in one gun.,..and the means to take advantage of any in season game opportunity, or, ...if in a true survival scenario,...as wide a variety of options possible to take a wide range of game for food, if and when the opportunity presents itself.
Also,...though not its intended purpose,... it might just be able to be used for defense if it came down to it. Though the .22/410 combo's certainly would not be my first choice,....(In the woods,..we normally carry centerfire sidearms.),....one of the combo's might be better than just having a sharp stick, and rolling up into a fetal position while screaming in fear.
Combo guns are not meant for engaging zombies or bad guys enmass. I for one would choose to E&E,..as vs getting into a toe to toe firefight with any combo gun. Actually,...with ANY gun!... If that scenario is in your plans,..you might want to pick a better gun for your purpose. Each to thems own,....YMMV
All three can be easily taken down, carried in or on a vehicle while taken down, unloaded and cased in a 24 inch or smaller stowable package. I may just be lucky,..but of the three I have,...all of them pattern well with interchangeable choke tubes. All well enough for what they are to be used for,..and they are adequately accurate with iron sights with both barrels out to the ranges I anticipate using them.
Why the combo's?? Mainly because I like the concept of the one gun rifle/shotgun combination. Of those that I have,...I'd be hard pressed to choose between either of the .22 versions of the Baikals, ...but I mostly go with the .22 magnum for it's longer reach. My bride tends to carry the .22LR version. For just a good walking gun,...either would do,..and both of the Baikal's have been successfully used to take small game for the kettle. The Savage has yet to draw blood,..but that's from lack of opportunity,...as versus its lack of capability. I am confident it will soon.
If I were to find myself in a situation where I would be limited to just one,....it'd be the .22 magnum version with the .410,...and hopefully a wide selection of ammo for it. But that could easily change if I were to see a .22 Magnum over a 20 gauge,...or maybe a 30/30 over either 12 or 20 gauge. At any decent price,....either or both would probably follow me home.
The whole concept of the combo is to have differing options available in one gun.,..and the means to take advantage of any in season game opportunity, or, ...if in a true survival scenario,...as wide a variety of options possible to take a wide range of game for food, if and when the opportunity presents itself.
Also,...though not its intended purpose,... it might just be able to be used for defense if it came down to it. Though the .22/410 combo's certainly would not be my first choice,....(In the woods,..we normally carry centerfire sidearms.),....one of the combo's might be better than just having a sharp stick, and rolling up into a fetal position while screaming in fear.
Combo guns are not meant for engaging zombies or bad guys enmass. I for one would choose to E&E,..as vs getting into a toe to toe firefight with any combo gun. Actually,...with ANY gun!... If that scenario is in your plans,..you might want to pick a better gun for your purpose. Each to thems own,....YMMV
Hocka Louis
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Alright, I put my money where my mouth is and bought this today. A toy, an investment, a whim, call it what you will. But I paid a premium for this apparently unfired .22 Mag/20 ga. I can always sell it (after the storm of course). Maybe I'll have it taken down to 18-1/2"...
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HOWARD J
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I had a Savage Model 22/410 ( before it became model 24V ) typed myself a allow H to purchase a rifle letter-over 60 years ago.
My brother got drunk & left it in the woods.
I raised so much hell he gave me his new Marlin 39a golden.
I was a happy camper.
I did replace it later when it became # 24V
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My brother got drunk & left it in the woods.
I raised so much hell he gave me his new Marlin 39a golden.
I was a happy camper.
I did replace it later when it became # 24V
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