There's a "Registered Sex Offender" right around the corner

[Biker]

CAnnoneer
I can appreciate your POV, but I prefer more direct action. There is a high degree of probability that the SOB will offend again. If he is driven away from the general population, it will be harder for him to do so. He has a rap sheet a mile long for various offenses (drugs, domestic violence, to name a couple) and he's still on parole so he can't make any mistakes. I made sure that he knows that it is me who is behind this whole thing so he would direct his anger at me if he decides to get froggy. I hope that he does. Smart? Maybe not, but I've never been accused of being a rocket surgeon.
Biker

 

[armoredman]

Just for grins and giggles, went to our SO yards in Florence....not one listed...1,000s of them.....

 

[Kurush]

This system can't work as long as they keep putting people in for minor sex offenses, and even things that aren't sex related at all (restraint of a minor, public urination, etc). I tried searching my area, and I think maybe I found two alarming people like serial rapists or child molesters, but I had to wade through countless dozens of run of the mill scum like sexual assault charges from the 70s, date rapists, etc etc. I have said before and I continue to say that the "sex predator" label should only be applied at the discretion of the judge (or the jury, I really don't care), because as things stand Megan's law is nearly useless.

 

[TarpleyG]

Biker,

It takes all kinds I guess and you sound like a real jackass. I am not in favor of "Sex Offenders" in any way but go ahead and do what you think you gotta do and you'll either get hurt, jailed, or both. What you are proposing is against the law. The guy has to live somehwhere whether you or I like it or not. Keep your eyes on him but otherwise leave him be. YOU can always move you know. Do you even have kids? Do you even know what his crime was other than something of a sexual nature? Also, you make it sound if the church of LDS is breeding and harboring sex offenders. They are probably trying to help a guy down on his luck. I don't know, just speculating here, without blinders on.

This is EXACTLY why these stupid "lists" have no business being in existance. What if this guy was one of those who peed in the woods or benignly touched a kid and is now tagged a "Sex Offender?" Now Biker and his ilk are out to make sure he cannot live in peace.

Greg

 

[Greg L]

You got to be joking?

Nope, that will get you on "The List". As will a 20 yr old having sex with his 17 yr old girlfriend (if her parents make an issue of it). Two (married but not to each other) .gov employees being caught by their supervisor in a staircase going at it (no references for either of these but I have heard of them on the news).

If you are on "The List" you aren't supposed to be able to live within "x" # of feet of a school (1000 perhaps, I'm not sure). Around here there is a case of a guy getting thrown out of his retirement home because he is on "The List" and the home is down the street from a school. In the interests of keeping this eeeeevil person away from those innocent angels down the street he's being thrown out. His offense that got him a lifetime black mark? He grabbed the breast of one of the nurses in the home. Granted it is something that he shouldn't have done, no question. However it was a crime against an adult (who's punishment should have been a black eye & not what it was) & had nothing to do with the kids. There was no indication that he ever had any feelings towards children, he just happened to caress the breast of the nurse bending over him. Rude & crass but not worthy of a lifetime of being ostracized by society.

When a 16 year old boy does a drive by mooning of cheerleader practice, is that justification to sentance him to Biker's reception wherever he lives for the rest of his life?

Some crimes do deserve it (Biker's example of a 42 yr old w/ an 11 certainly is one) & they should be publicized far & wide. Many however do not & the lifetime punishments far outweigh the crime itself.

 

[Biker]

Sindawe
IMO, a man can be forgiven for just about anything, but not sexual abuse of a child. Ever. They can't be cured. Fact is, you don't pet a rabid dog, you shoot it.

Derby
Yes, I've seen his sheet. Quite extensive. What have I done that is illegal?

Biker

 

[Biker]

TarpleyG
As I mentioned, he had sex with an 11 year old girl. Maybe you're cool with that, but I'm not. Neither me nor "my ilk". Heh, I kinda like that...we're now "ilk". Whatever works for ya. In any case, I'm breaking no laws and I'm not too worried about being hurt. Yes, I have kids and he is real lucky that it wasn't my daughter that he molested.
As to the LDS church, I feel that it was wrong for them to place a Cho-mo in the midst of a bunch of children without notifying all concerned. Not a slam on the church as a whole, just these individuals.
Do you really think that the jackass remark was necessary?
Biker

 

[Marshall]

Biker

I feel that it was wrong for them to place a Cho-mo in the midst of a bunch of children without notifying all concerned. Not a slam on the church as a whole, just these individuals.

I agree, not only was it wrong, it was extremely wrong!

As I read some of the replies, I am beginning to see why Michael Jackson is not in jail though.

 

[Mulliga]

Ostracizing sex offenders implies that no sex offender can ever reform.

I don't know if this is true. I have yet to see any evidence presented in this thread that it is.

 

[Derby FALs]

Derby
Yes, I've seen his sheet. Quite extensive. What have I done that is illegal?

The information in the Idaho sex offender registry is provided only for the purpose of protecting the public. It is not to be used for the purpose of harassing or intimidating anyone. A person who uses registry information to commit a criminal act againt another person is subject to arrest and prosecution under section 18-8326 or 18-8413, Idaho Code.

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 83
SEXUAL OFFENDER REGISTRATION NOTIFICATION AND
COMMUNITY RIGHT-TO-KNOW ACT
18-8326. PENALTIES FOR VIGILANTISM OR OTHER MISUSE OF INFORMATION
OBTAINED UNDER THIS CHAPTER. Any person who uses information obtained pursuant
to this chapter to commit a crime or to cause physical harm to any person or
damage to property shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, in addition to any
other punishment, be subject to imprisonment in the county jail for a period
not to exceed one (1) year, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars
($1,000) or both.



TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 84
JUVENILE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION NOTIFICATION AND
COMMUNITY RIGHT-TO-KNOW ACT
18-8413. PENALTIES FOR VIGILANTISM OR OTHER MISUSE OF INFORMATION
OBTAINED UNDER THIS CHAPTER. Any person who uses information obtained pursuant
to this chapter to commit a crime or to cause physical harm to any person or
damage to property shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, in addition to any
other punishment, shall be subject to imprisonment in the county jail for a
period not to exceed one (1) year, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand
dollars ($1,000) or both.

 

[Biker]

Derby
Yes. I've read and in fact made copies of this code, but we've commited no criminal acts, caused no physical harm nor damaged any property. What's the problem? What's your point?
Biker

 

[Derby FALs]

Stalking and harrassment comes to mind.

 

[Biker]

Stalking? I live next door to the POS. Care to explain? And harrasment? You'll have to explain that one too. The cops that resonded to his harrasment call seemed to believe that I was doing nothing wrong. Anything else?
Biker

 

[Derby FALs]

Oh yeah. Littering too. :wink:
He could already have you locked up around here, on harrassment charges, for the posters.

 

[Biker]

Luckily, this is Idaho. There's a lotta common sense around here. Not as much as I'd like to see, but we're pretty 'down-home' in this part of the country.
Biker

 

[Derby FALs]

We're pretty down home here but you are harassing the man.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Derby, why would posting posters of the pedophile be harrassment? It would seem to me that his record is public knowledge. He is on the SO website, that is where Biker found him.

As long as the facts are posted with the information on the poster, I can't see how it would be considered harrassment.

 

[MikeIsaj]

This is the problem with "Megans Laws." They are what I call feel good legislation. They give you a warm fuzzy feeling of accomplishment without really accomplishing anything. And they encourage testosterone venting. Megan Kanka was killed by a child molester, not because he wasn't registered, but because her idiot mother let her 7 year old daughter play with a man in his thirties without asking the obvious question "Why does a grown man want to spend so much time alone with my seven year old daughter?" She died because the law didn't keep him in jail for life after his first conviction. Nothing done in Megans name has changed any of that.

The problem is, these laws make the simple minded think they are safe because they know the guy down the street is a pervert. While they are watching him, the guy on the other side of the street is free to do as he pleases because every molester is anonymous until he is caught. I have dealt with a lot of real child molesters in jail. Most of them were never suspected by the public until they were caught.

Biker,

Watching the pervert isn't going to protect the children, watching the children will. You watch your child, you watch every child. You see something not right, you act. All this bluster and swaggering is only going to get you in trouble and will not help one single child. Channel your energies into a townwatch that will be productive. Lobby your legislature to change the law to keep these animals behind bars instead of in your neighborhood.

 

[Biker]

Derby
As Mongo mentioned, the posters are off an internet site which the Idaho State Police made available to the general public. I'm just expanding on their efforts. Being a good citizen, so to speak. But yes, I'm harassing the guy - legally. If he takes it personally, I'm not hard to find, and may be a bit more of a challenge than an 11 year old girl.
Biker

 

[Biker]

Call it bluster, swagger, whatever you like Mike. He will leave. Funny, a lot of parents seem to like what we do.
Regards,
Biker

 

[DeseoUnTaco]

What is a "Registered Sex Offender," anyway? Are they all rapists and/or child molesters, or are there significantly lessor offenses that could put someone into this category.

Could be:

• Someone who kidnapped, raped and murdered a pre-pubescent child.
• An 18-year-old who kissed his 17-year-old girlfriend and had some really bad luck.
• Someone who was falsely accused of something that never happened ("beyond a reasonable doubt" seems like it doesn't apply in many child sex cases).
• I don't know all the state laws, but I assume that someone who was convicted of consensual adult sodomy (ie, oral sex, anal sex, or homosexual sex) would also be legally defined as a "sex offender", and this could include consenting married adults.
• People who just had bad legal representation. Once someone is charged, if he doesn't have the money for good legal help, he's getting a plea bargain (ie, conviction), no matter what the facts are. Good legal help starts at about $100k, money which most Americans can't come up with.
• Someone without a felony conviction
• A woman who was sunbathing topless in her yard, a woman who breast fed her child and someone got freaked out about it, a guy who took a piss and a child happened to see him, a guy who chatted with the wrong person in a chat room, or similar things
• Someone who is accused and convicted based on "recovered memories" from one witness, with no other wtinesses and no physical evidence for something which (allegedly) took place many years ago. Yes, there have been people who have spent decades in prison on such charges, and finally had the charges dropped when the courts came to their senses.

I wouldn't let my children go to either of those two houses, but then again I wouldn't worry about it either. Any of us could have "sexual predators" living on our blocks or in our buildings or just driving down the street. The published database is really just a feel-good law so politicians can say, "I passed this tough new law that targets sex offenders". I don't see that it would accomplish very much. You're AWARE of what's going on, you pay attention to your intuitions about people and situations, and you're armed.

 

[OF]

...but you are harassing the man.

It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. You'll have to excuse my not getting all worked up about this guy getting 'harrassed'. Is what biker's doing borderline illegal? Probably. Do I care? No. Am I happy beyond words that this guy has biker on his ass 24/7? Absolutely. I'll bet a quick poll of the neighboorhood parents isn't going to turn up anyone calling the cops on him, either.

I'm just crushed that biker is making this guy's life hard. It's a real tearjerker. I mean what's a child rapist piece of crap supposed to do? It's getting so a Chester can hardly hang out at the playground with his hands down his pants anymore.

What's the world coming to.

 

[Derby FALs]

He is trying to intimidate the man to the point that he moves. It is a civil rights issue.

 

[Biker]

He's welcome to sue me, Derby. In this neck o' the woods, considering his record and in particular the fact that he's a short-eyes, that would go over like a <floater> in a punchbowl.
Biker

 

[OF]

It is a civil rights issue.

Cry me a river.

We had a 4-time rapist move out onto our little island community a few years back. We called a town meeting, invited him to it and harrassed <him> right there in public like there was no tomorrow...or I guess you could say it was like we were a bit concerned one of our wives or daughters would be #5.

The cops were at the meeting, too. They didn't seem to mind us telling the guy what we thought of him in no uncertain terms. Discussed where local women could go to get pistol training and how to get a permit to carry a gun.

Guess what? He got the picture and moved. And let me tell you, we were all crushed about how he'd had his 'civil rights' violated.

The laws let these scum back out to rape again (4 times), so you can work to change the laws, but the fact is the guy is here right now. The danger is here right now. The community moves to protect itself. Nobody is lynching people for being brown-skinned, nobody is bombing mosques, nobody is running long-hairs out of town. The guy raped 4 women, so we told him he wasn't welcome.

When the laws catch up with reality, that'll be great. Then maybe biker can go back to watching the tube or going for a couple extra rides. In the meantime, it's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.