Sindawe
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Human nature. Most people are hard wired to regard children as the ultimate "sacred cow"
There's a "Registered Sex Offender" right around the corner
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Beren
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Without getting graphic: if he was feeling up the girl, then as horrible as it is, I don't believe it rises to the point where death is warranted. I might, however, be open to the amputation of the offending hand.
I'm also with pax. And I'm not talking about the peeing in public, 19 year old with a 17 year old girlfriend kind of thing. I'm talking about the sick freaks that attack children or rape women.
They are vermin. And it disgusts me that the system lets them loose at all. They are not cured, nor rehabilitated. If heterosexuality was declared illegal, and you were sent to prison for commiting a heterosexual act, when you got out of prison would you be "cured"? No, of course not. Same thing applies to these deviants.
I see no problem with what Biker is doing. He is obeying the law. I'm dissipointed in my co-religionists, who I can understand that they think they are helping somebody out, but the community still needs to be aware of creatures like this in their midst. I like BACA.
As for taking the High Road, there are some things that can't be reasoned with. Child molestors and rapists are some of them. It has nothing to do with hatred or lack of reason. I've got three young children, and anything on this earth that even thinks about harming one of them, will get put into a world of unbelievable hurt.
We worry about terrorists, when our familys are in far more statistical danger from rapists and pedophiles. We destroy the Constitution in a vain attempt to defend against a tiny group of foreign scumbags, but we set known and convicted multiple rapists free.
Disgusting.
They are vermin. And it disgusts me that the system lets them loose at all. They are not cured, nor rehabilitated. If heterosexuality was declared illegal, and you were sent to prison for commiting a heterosexual act, when you got out of prison would you be "cured"? No, of course not. Same thing applies to these deviants.
I see no problem with what Biker is doing. He is obeying the law. I'm dissipointed in my co-religionists, who I can understand that they think they are helping somebody out, but the community still needs to be aware of creatures like this in their midst. I like BACA.
As for taking the High Road, there are some things that can't be reasoned with. Child molestors and rapists are some of them. It has nothing to do with hatred or lack of reason. I've got three young children, and anything on this earth that even thinks about harming one of them, will get put into a world of unbelievable hurt.
We worry about terrorists, when our familys are in far more statistical danger from rapists and pedophiles. We destroy the Constitution in a vain attempt to defend against a tiny group of foreign scumbags, but we set known and convicted multiple rapists free.
Disgusting.
scout26
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The lady that used to live across the street from us was a very sucessful Psychologist who started working with neglected, abused and sexually abused kids. She's the one that told me that "Sexual Predators are cured five seconds after the first shovelful of dirt hits their coffin." Apparently dealing with these devasted kids and their shattered lives finally got to her, and after 3 years she up and sold her house, gave away almost everything she owned and is now "watching paint dry" at a Buddhist Monastary in upstate New York. I saw an active, lively, friendly lady turn into an almost catatonic zombie just from having to deal with the end results of these predators, and try to work with these kids to "bring 'em back". Notice I said "Predator" as in "preys on the young and innocent". It does not mean the 18 yo who gets busted with his 17yo girlfriend. I'm referring to rapists and child molesters, not a guy taking a leak in an alley behind a bar.
Heisler-
I take that you don't have any children. Because these crimes are beyond the Pale. These crimes completely destroy the person that was, literally taking their life away from them. It is such a tramatic expereince that goes far beyond what any torture and/or brainwashing could hope to acheive. It goes to the point were that person, that indivdual, ceases to be and is replaced by a nothing more than a shell of a human being. They have literally taken a life, but left a still breathing body behind. I have no sympathy or compassion for murderers, rapists or molesters. It's my duty as a Human Being, a Man, and a Father to protect from harm, those weaker then me, and/or entrusted to my care. Biker, you have my full support, as I would do the same as you if I found out a RSO lived next door. He would find out (within the bounds of the law) that he is indeed VERY Unwelcome.
I believe it was in a Tom Clancy book where one of the characters said "They're all our kids."
Sindawe, I dare you to get between a mother bear and her cubs.
Heisler-
I take that you don't have any children. Because these crimes are beyond the Pale. These crimes completely destroy the person that was, literally taking their life away from them. It is such a tramatic expereince that goes far beyond what any torture and/or brainwashing could hope to acheive. It goes to the point were that person, that indivdual, ceases to be and is replaced by a nothing more than a shell of a human being. They have literally taken a life, but left a still breathing body behind. I have no sympathy or compassion for murderers, rapists or molesters. It's my duty as a Human Being, a Man, and a Father to protect from harm, those weaker then me, and/or entrusted to my care. Biker, you have my full support, as I would do the same as you if I found out a RSO lived next door. He would find out (within the bounds of the law) that he is indeed VERY Unwelcome.
I believe it was in a Tom Clancy book where one of the characters said "They're all our kids."
Zundfolge
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Another thing to consider is that many call molestation "the gift that keeps on giving" because the vast majority of males who molest where themselves molested.
If we lock up molesters and throw away the key, there will be no repeat offenders, thus less future molesters are produced.
So giving a molester a "second chance" really has the potential of creating more victims, which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims, ad infinitum
If we lock up molesters and throw away the key, there will be no repeat offenders, thus less future molesters are produced.
So giving a molester a "second chance" really has the potential of creating more victims, which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims,which will mean more future molesters, which will mean more future victims, ad infinitum
Sindawe
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<blink blink> Whaaa??? Simple statement of reality dude, there was no value judgment intended there.
If indeed they are "all our kids" then those who have them should not get into such a huff when others (such as myself) tell "our kids" to get the frell out of my trees, not to climb on the roof of my freaking garage and request that they not throw food at a restaurant.
MikeIsaj
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Yes, you are talking about the peeing in public 19y.o. because thats the way the laws are written. You miss the point. The laws are stupid because they are poorly written, are based on emotion, are too broad in their scope and can incite the average guy into doing something stupid. They do NOTHING to protect a child! Want to protect your kids, watch them, not the guy down the street. And lobby your legislature for laws that put these bottom feeders away for good. Protect your child from ALL scumbags, not just the ones who have been caught once.
Those of us who are being looked upon as in favor of child abuse because we oppose the lynch mob mentality are being misjudged. It's not the pedophile I'm looking out for, it's Biker! He's getting all worked up and spouting threats on a public forum. This is the last thing you want to do in a serious effort to deal with this scumbag. You are making his case for him and giving him good evidence to use in a harrassmant charge against you! Don't think for one moment this dirtbag is stupid just because he is a dirtbag. Most pedophiles will jump at the chance to get the law to protect them. All he needs to do is print this thread and he will prove his case against you in most any court. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's so!
It would really stink to have to lose your house to this scumbag in a civil judgement.
Marshall
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Uh, sigh, grrrrr.
Biker's welcome as my neighbor, you can have Chester the Molestor.
thorn726
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exactly. anyone this guy doesnt like might get run out of town the "hard way"
who's next?
it just seems a bit extreme, and some of it illegal, whether the cops let you d oit or not.
one stikes me strongly- EVICTION=
for what cause? in many places you better have good reason to make him move
you start letting people evict others cuase they dont like them and where does that lead?
i don't want that black guy living next door to me, evict him.
it is all pretty cowardly really. why not jsut approach guy and find out who/ what he is rationally, maybe he even knows he messed up and is trying to change.
nothing harder than trying to become a good person while everyone is convicting you of guilt
and if he isn't, if you got the feelnig he was still creepy, the he knows he is watched , good enough. you keep an eye out, warn everyone and the kids.
otherwise he keeps moving till he finds a spot to be anonymous, and that could end up worse
scout26
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Sindawe, my sincerest apologies as I took your statement the wrong way. (Alas, no "Tone of Voice" in the written word.)
What I meant was that we as adults have a duty to protect all kids. If my kids mis-behaving I have no problem correcting them in public. If you catch them mis-behaving, please let me know, I guarantee that not only will they apologize, and atone for any damage, but it will not happen again. I also have no patience for lazy parents, who think their kids are prefect angels and let them get away with anything.
Thorn,
There's a big difference between having someone you don't "like" living next door and someone who is a direct threat to your wife and/or kids. Chester is a THREAT, they don't get "cured" or "better". Maybe he'll move and maybe he won't but Biker has identified the Threat and made sure his neighbors know and that Chester knows that they know, maybe that will stop him from acting on his "urges". Forewarned is Forearmed.
Biker, based on your nickname, you sound like you'd stick out like a sore thumb in my whitebread, picketfence, Leave it to Beaver, neighborhood, but I'd be d@mn glad to have you as my neighbor.
CAnnoneer
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Vigilant is one thing, vigilante is another. Some of you guys if you truly mean and practice what you say may be even more dangerous than at least some of the sex offenders.
If we start hounding people because they MIGHT do something in the indefinite future AFTER they have paid their legal debt to society, our own freedoms and values suffer in the long run.
If the legal code is broken or ineffective (I think it is), please go ahead and write your congressman etc. or elect a judge that is tough on crime. Also raise awareness and help your local PD.
"He who fights monsters for too long should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. For as you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you..." Friedrich Nietzsche
If we start hounding people because they MIGHT do something in the indefinite future AFTER they have paid their legal debt to society, our own freedoms and values suffer in the long run.
If the legal code is broken or ineffective (I think it is), please go ahead and write your congressman etc. or elect a judge that is tough on crime. Also raise awareness and help your local PD.
"He who fights monsters for too long should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. For as you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you..." Friedrich Nietzsche
armoredman
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We're not allowed to call incarcerated SOs that, or chomo. PC sucks.
Shalako
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The Chester should have to live next door to the judge that let him out.
Sindawe
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Uhhh..NO. If I CHOSE to protect a kid, that is one thing. However, your choice to have kids does NOT impart on me a duty to protect them. They are YOUR kids, its YOUR job to look after them. Unless of course you are willing to financially compensate me for the time your kids are in my proximity. My fees are reasonable and proper, $500/hr in Federal Reserve Notes, one Oz. 99.999% fine gold/hr or 1000 rounds .308 match grade/hr.
I am getting tired of the foolish and repetititve argument that all people on the SO lists are not real bad sex offenders. We all know that. No one has suggested that everyone on the list should be shot. It has been suggested upteen times that you should find out what their crime is before getting worked up. That stupid comment has been repeated 20 times on this thread. Get over it. No one disagrees with you.
Remember The Victims
..as my Pastor always used to say, "Remember the Victims." Next time you get all wishy washy and start feeling sorry for violent criminals, think about their victims. What are they doing right now? How hard has their life been since they were made a victim? I don't feel sorry for child molesters one bit. The punishments should be much, much worse.
Some crimes should stick with you. Pedophilia, violent rape; those are crimes that SHOULD stick with you for the rest of your life. It is unfortunate that those sickos didn't get the death penalty in the first place.
..as my Pastor always used to say, "Remember the Victims." Next time you get all wishy washy and start feeling sorry for violent criminals, think about their victims. What are they doing right now? How hard has their life been since they were made a victim? I don't feel sorry for child molesters one bit. The punishments should be much, much worse.
Some crimes should stick with you. Pedophilia, violent rape; those are crimes that SHOULD stick with you for the rest of your life. It is unfortunate that those sickos didn't get the death penalty in the first place.
jefnvk
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I still ask the question, what is the point of letting him out, if everyone that knows he is a molester can demand he move somewhere else, and can force him to?
Marshall
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Sindawe,
I think what scout is trying to say is that the children are unable of protecting themselves. They are our future. You don't have to do anything to help or keep an eye out for any child. But, if you're a decent adult, I would hope that if one of my children somehow walked into the face of danger and I was unable to be there for whatever reason, I hope you would be generous enough with your time and talents to give me a hand for the child's sake without me asking.
More than likely there was a time in your childhood that someone besides your folks helped you out of a dangerous situation, even if it was telling you a car was coming and not to cross the street.
I don't understand your rebellious nature on the subject but it's your right to act as you wish.
I think what scout is trying to say is that the children are unable of protecting themselves. They are our future. You don't have to do anything to help or keep an eye out for any child. But, if you're a decent adult, I would hope that if one of my children somehow walked into the face of danger and I was unable to be there for whatever reason, I hope you would be generous enough with your time and talents to give me a hand for the child's sake without me asking.
More than likely there was a time in your childhood that someone besides your folks helped you out of a dangerous situation, even if it was telling you a car was coming and not to cross the street.
I don't understand your rebellious nature on the subject but it's your right to act as you wish.
Mike
I'm not at all worked up (but it's only 19:38 hrs, heh heh) and I haven't made a single threat, at least as I imagine you define a threat. I've broken no laws in my state and county and lawsuits don't work around here unless the suit is based upon common sense. I don't understand your fear, but it's yours to own, I guess.
Thorn
After the third time the cops visited the Cho-mo (I called them 3 times), the landlord had reason to call. Since I put up the posters, he's had three tenants with kids give their 30 day notice. As I mentioned, he appears to be about profits and if they're dropping, well.....
As to being cowardly, I've approached the low-life and spoke with him. He knows who I am and what I'm doing. *shrugs*
Maybe he is "trying to change". I hope he does but available evidence does not support that proposition. As I stated previously, you don't pet a rabid dog, you shoot it. And that's a philosophy, not a threat.
Biker
I'm not at all worked up (but it's only 19:38 hrs, heh heh) and I haven't made a single threat, at least as I imagine you define a threat. I've broken no laws in my state and county and lawsuits don't work around here unless the suit is based upon common sense. I don't understand your fear, but it's yours to own, I guess.
Thorn
After the third time the cops visited the Cho-mo (I called them 3 times), the landlord had reason to call. Since I put up the posters, he's had three tenants with kids give their 30 day notice. As I mentioned, he appears to be about profits and if they're dropping, well.....
As to being cowardly, I've approached the low-life and spoke with him. He knows who I am and what I'm doing. *shrugs*
Maybe he is "trying to change". I hope he does but available evidence does not support that proposition. As I stated previously, you don't pet a rabid dog, you shoot it. And that's a philosophy, not a threat.
Biker
Sindawe
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Marshall: In all likelyhood I would do such. However, Scouts statement of "Duty to protect children" carries the connotation that *I* am responsible for the end result of *HIS* choices and actions, even though I had no say in them, or participation in the creation of said children. To me, that is the first step to dodging his responsibility to said children, and eventually all other things HE is responsible for.
Perhaps because it pleases me to be contrary?
Marshall
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C'mon man, don't be so cynical, it's disappointing.
The guy meant "duty" as in your moral duty, one I am glad to see you say would uphold! I doubt seriously a man with the convictions he holds would in any way be looking to dole out his responsibilities of his children, he's the one trying to make sure they are safe! I think you would be making a good move by apologizing to the man because that was really uncalled for on your part.
The guy meant "duty" as in your moral duty, one I am glad to see you say would uphold! I doubt seriously a man with the convictions he holds would in any way be looking to dole out his responsibilities of his children, he's the one trying to make sure they are safe! I think you would be making a good move by apologizing to the man because that was really uncalled for on your part.
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