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I`ll see if I can load up some of my match target pics in a day or two and start a thread that invites pics and watch what will happen.
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I shot 1" group twice at 25 yrds with a blued GP100 holding off hand and shooting single action. I was using 130 fmj WWB and the group shot low but, grouped well. It was a six shot group both times.
I have not been able to repeat this performance.....yet. But, I still keep trying
I love to shoot more than just own guns. The people at the range will ask me what I am doing to get my groups and I always try to help. some say I should be a friearms instructor.....maybe some day.
I always throw my targets away and try never to brag. Vainity is sure to lead to a fall. I use to compete in IDPA and had to quit because I was too competitive. Few things in life are more important than shooting to me. but, the Lord is more important. And I can not compete on a healthy level in shooting. I always want to be the best. And no matter how good I was I was not the best. heck even Rob Letham is NOT the best everyday
My friend, it is not important what these people say. Just be confident in your own abilities and recognize your own limitations. We all have strengths and opportunities for improvement. But none of that makes you, me, or your range friends any less of people.
Your brother in arms.....now go practice!
ps Some people come here just to shoot the bull. And we all have stepped in it before......some spread it around more than others.....hehehe. You know who you are.
I have not been able to repeat this performance.....yet. But, I still keep trying
I love to shoot more than just own guns. The people at the range will ask me what I am doing to get my groups and I always try to help. some say I should be a friearms instructor.....maybe some day.
I always throw my targets away and try never to brag. Vainity is sure to lead to a fall. I use to compete in IDPA and had to quit because I was too competitive. Few things in life are more important than shooting to me. but, the Lord is more important. And I can not compete on a healthy level in shooting. I always want to be the best. And no matter how good I was I was not the best. heck even Rob Letham is NOT the best everyday
My friend, it is not important what these people say. Just be confident in your own abilities and recognize your own limitations. We all have strengths and opportunities for improvement. But none of that makes you, me, or your range friends any less of people.
Your brother in arms.....now go practice!
ps Some people come here just to shoot the bull. And we all have stepped in it before......some spread it around more than others.....hehehe. You know who you are.
ArchAngelCD
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Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it!
Sorry but that statement above is offensive.
* You came to this forum a short time ago.
* You name is so long it covers half the screen yet nobody said a word to you about it.
* For some reason you make 2 and 3 posts in a row. You can't seem to find the edit button yet nobody said a word to you about it.
* You have asked for help many times and have always gotten it including data and links.
* There is much more but I end it with, I truly feel you have some nerve calling some of the people here a LIAR. It is rude and very offensive.
Because this is the High Road I'll try to put this as nicely as possible but still get my point across. Just because you think the people you shoot with are great but they can't match some of the shooting being reported here DOES NOT MAKE THE REPORTS FALSE!! Did you ever stop to think the shooters might be shooting much more than you and for many more years? Do you shoot between 300 and 500 handgun rounds a week like I and many others do? You sir will not be getting any further help, answers or opinions from me even though I'm probably not one of the shooters you are talking about. Sometimes it's better to keep your thoughts to yourself if they speak poorly of others.
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I don't know what the other folks on this forum can do, but shooting from a combat stance, in a hurry, with a two handed grip I am VERY pleased when I can keep all my rounds on a paper plate at 25 yards.
Slowing down will usually let me shrink my groups to about 6 inches.
Using a rest will further shrink them, sometimes to as little as 2 or 3 inches, but not always, and I don't care.
Unless your goal is competition I think once you reach a certain level of accuracy you are better off exspending your effort on tactical training.
To steal a phrase from Evan Marshall, as long as I can shoot "two minutes of a felon", that is more than sufficient.
I learned to shoot a handgun from a former member of the U.S. Olympic Team so I have a great deal of respect for those that can shoot one inch groups at 25 yards. But it's not my cup of tea.
Slowing down will usually let me shrink my groups to about 6 inches.
Using a rest will further shrink them, sometimes to as little as 2 or 3 inches, but not always, and I don't care.
Unless your goal is competition I think once you reach a certain level of accuracy you are better off exspending your effort on tactical training.
To steal a phrase from Evan Marshall, as long as I can shoot "two minutes of a felon", that is more than sufficient.
I learned to shoot a handgun from a former member of the U.S. Olympic Team so I have a great deal of respect for those that can shoot one inch groups at 25 yards. But it's not my cup of tea.
MPanova
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woodstock would you call this BS
12 shots at 14 yards (im not sure what you would say the grouping is 1" 2"?)
12 shots at 14 yards (im not sure what you would say the grouping is 1" 2"?)
Silvanus
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I don't know if you randomly picked any gun for an example or not, but Glocks are very accurate handguns. Everybody who says otherwise is simply a bad shot with them. I'm always wondering why people say H&Ks or Sigs, for example, are more accurate. I guess they want to justify their purchase or something...
Glock 17 @ 15m
Glock 17 @ 25m (I rarely shoot at more than 15m, I'm sure the gun is capable of better accuracy than this)
BTW, I can't do nearly as good with my BHP. The Glock is just perfect for me.
Yeah right...
Add a 3 at the end and it might be true.When someone shoots an unusually good group, there's a much better chance they saved that target. If I shot 1000 5 shot groups last year and I only showed you my best target out of all of them, it would probably make me look like a much better shooter than I am....especially if I left out the fact that it was the best of 1000. I'm sure there's a tall tale here and there and some distance and measuring inconsistencies, but there are also some good shooters out there too...and we are only seeing their best.
armoredman
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atbls, I shoot handloads 3 at a time for accuracy testing.
Silvanus, I qualify Expert/Distinguished Expert with Glock 17/19, and my CZs are more accurate for me. I hate the g-rock grip, feel, and trigger. Ain't that the beauty of America, all those nice choices.
Silvanus, I qualify Expert/Distinguished Expert with Glock 17/19, and my CZs are more accurate for me. I hate the g-rock grip, feel, and trigger. Ain't that the beauty of America, all those nice choices.
Owen
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You've never seen what a Bullseye GM can do, one handed have you?
Think 3-4" at 50 yards. Over and over and over.
Think 3-4" at 50 yards. Over and over and over.
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Ghost Tracker
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Doc2005,
In +35 years of shooting (NCAA Smallbore, IDPA, IPSC, etc.) I've NEVER read, heard or seen a combination of the words "Llama" and "custom".
And, with all due respect, a sub 1" group with iron sights from a .45 acp @ 100 yards puts your cousin well-beyond the talent of the best shooters in the world. From Ed McGivern to Todd Jarrett to Doug Koenig...nobody shoots that well.
Did I miss the sarcasm in your post, or do you expect us to believe it?!?
In +35 years of shooting (NCAA Smallbore, IDPA, IPSC, etc.) I've NEVER read, heard or seen a combination of the words "Llama" and "custom".
And, with all due respect, a sub 1" group with iron sights from a .45 acp @ 100 yards puts your cousin well-beyond the talent of the best shooters in the world. From Ed McGivern to Todd Jarrett to Doug Koenig...nobody shoots that well.
Did I miss the sarcasm in your post, or do you expect us to believe it?!?
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You`ve always got a negative remark to say on most of your posts. You`re one of those long time members that think you operate this forum. Well I`ve got news for you, YOU DON`T. So if you don`t have a comment dealing with the question and are only here antagonize people,skip over my threads if you don`t mind.As for my shooting abilities, I`m perfectly capable of handling myself on the range as well as my comrads. As for rounds shot, no I don`t shoot 500 rounds a week, I don`t see any reason for shooting that many rounds per week, seems like a waist of money to me. I do however shoot about 150 to 200 rounds per week out of different guns. But you know, I don`t need to explain myself to you. I`ve never called anybody any names,ever on any forum.
. If you`d take time to read this forum,you`d find that most of the comments agree and most of the pics shown, of some very good shooting i must add, are realistic. Our next match will be scheduled soon so I`ll make sure to send you an envite if you`d like. You made the comment as to the inability of my friends and I. Come and see for yourself. hahaha
I`m sure you`re an eagle-eye marksman and you were offended by this thread because you`ve said that you ordinarily shoot 2 inch groups out of hand with open sights at 25 yards in some of your other posts. Well,you should be on television with Massad Ayoob because he apparently sucks compared to you. Massad Ayoob only shot a 4 inch group in a 60 second timed round with his Sig Sauer P220 .45 at 15-18 and 22 yards. He`s only a world renowned gun writer and shootist. Maybe he could get some pointers from you.
Oh, but first he probably should become a senior member on the high road,especially before he questions any articles on YOUR website ,right.
Now go ahead and trash this forum like you`ve done one of my others.Or better yet,goodbye.
Sorry for this comment to all of you other guys who posted a relating comment. I normally just ignore people like this but this guy`s been annoying me for the entire week that I`ve been visiting.
You`ve always got a negative remark to say on most of your posts. You`re one of those long time members that think you operate this forum. Well I`ve got news for you, YOU DON`T. So if you don`t have a comment dealing with the question and are only here antagonize people,skip over my threads if you don`t mind.As for my shooting abilities, I`m perfectly capable of handling myself on the range as well as my comrads. As for rounds shot, no I don`t shoot 500 rounds a week, I don`t see any reason for shooting that many rounds per week, seems like a waist of money to me. I do however shoot about 150 to 200 rounds per week out of different guns. But you know, I don`t need to explain myself to you. I`ve never called anybody any names,ever on any forum.
. If you`d take time to read this forum,you`d find that most of the comments agree and most of the pics shown, of some very good shooting i must add, are realistic. Our next match will be scheduled soon so I`ll make sure to send you an envite if you`d like. You made the comment as to the inability of my friends and I. Come and see for yourself. hahaha
I`m sure you`re an eagle-eye marksman and you were offended by this thread because you`ve said that you ordinarily shoot 2 inch groups out of hand with open sights at 25 yards in some of your other posts. Well,you should be on television with Massad Ayoob because he apparently sucks compared to you. Massad Ayoob only shot a 4 inch group in a 60 second timed round with his Sig Sauer P220 .45 at 15-18 and 22 yards. He`s only a world renowned gun writer and shootist. Maybe he could get some pointers from you.
Oh, but first he probably should become a senior member on the high road,especially before he questions any articles on YOUR website ,right.
Now go ahead and trash this forum like you`ve done one of my others.Or better yet,goodbye.
Sorry for this comment to all of you other guys who posted a relating comment. I normally just ignore people like this but this guy`s been annoying me for the entire week that I`ve been visiting.
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Hey guys I`m serious. They had an hour long special and I think that it was a 60 minutes special on hired ?asassains? . They had a guy that they kept shadowed so you couldn`t see him and he said that he prefered the .22 caliber in his work. No joke. He also said that it was the most commonly used weapon of most of his comrads.
All I can say is that I saw the special and that`s exactly what was said. I`ll see if I can dig it up on the internet OK.
All I can say is that I saw the special and that`s exactly what was said. I`ll see if I can dig it up on the internet OK.
Sniper X
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Let me preface this with two things,
One, people who don't measure yardage, probably are a little closer than they think.
And two, you might want to consider that most who tout great groups with a pistol at the 20~25yd mark are talking about using some form of rest, they are not talking off hand or they are either closer than they think, or lying.
One, people who don't measure yardage, probably are a little closer than they think.
And two, you might want to consider that most who tout great groups with a pistol at the 20~25yd mark are talking about using some form of rest, they are not talking off hand or they are either closer than they think, or lying.
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Any assassin who would appear on 60 Minutes, shadowed face or not, has about as much credibility as the guy who tries to convince his date that he works for the "Company" or is a member of the "Family". Anyone who would make those claims really ISN'T an operative of a mafiaoso because those who really ARE...would NEVER mention it, EVER.
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Well, I saw it regardless of its authentisity. They were actually at a camp. I`m trying to find it now. Anyway, I agree with you but I did see it.
Kimber1911_06238
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Personally, 4"-5" groups at 50 feet is a good group for me. But then again, I don't practice as much as many people.
1" at 100 yards seems a little too good. Many rifles won't do that
1" at 100 yards seems a little too good. Many rifles won't do that
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Did you see the GA match a few weeks ago? This guy, I think his name was Scot Cummings, scored 9 hits out of 10 at 30 yards in 2.74 seconds. WOW He didn`t win overall but I liked the guy. He had a great natural stance. The spped trial was only one part of the match.
I like the obstacle courses myself. They`re more exciting to shoot. Stationary shooting can be a little boring after a while. I guess if you`re new to match shooting it woul be fun but I`ve grown a little tired of stationary shooting over the years. I`ll still shoot`m on occasion but I love the move and shoot matches. They`re more realistic to me. My brother`n`law is on our local Ice team with the police dept. and I`ve been trying to get him to get me in the door at one of their trials or certification sessions. Can`t wait to smokem. hahaha
Did you see the GA match a few weeks ago? This guy, I think his name was Scot Cummings, scored 9 hits out of 10 at 30 yards in 2.74 seconds. WOW He didn`t win overall but I liked the guy. He had a great natural stance. The spped trial was only one part of the match.
I like the obstacle courses myself. They`re more exciting to shoot. Stationary shooting can be a little boring after a while. I guess if you`re new to match shooting it woul be fun but I`ve grown a little tired of stationary shooting over the years. I`ll still shoot`m on occasion but I love the move and shoot matches. They`re more realistic to me. My brother`n`law is on our local Ice team with the police dept. and I`ve been trying to get him to get me in the door at one of their trials or certification sessions. Can`t wait to smokem. hahaha
Well here you go, a P22 (3.4" barrel, 22LR) at 20 yards. If not for the one flier, it would have been a 10-shot 2" group. The range has marked distances, I did not use a rest, and it was standard open sights. My Sig 9mm has held 3" at 20 yards, and could probably do better with enough effort and practice. But then shooting 550 rnds or 22LR is still cheaper than 100 rnds of 9mm.
(Should have stuck with 5 rnds, as I sent the flier off on the 9th shot. Got greedy!
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So if you can't do it, it must be bullsh^t huh? That's pretty arrogant. I've seen some excellent shooters, and have seen a few do better than 2" at 25yds, repeatedly. Just because you haven't doesn't mean it's not possible. Another thing to realize, is people are showing their best efforts, not their mediocre results. There's an old guy that runs an outdoor range in my area, he can hit a steel plate (24" square I believe) at 300 yards with iron sights on a 1911. Bet him $50 he can't do it within 3 shots, and he'll do it every time, usually on the first or second shot.
150-200rnds on different guns? That's not much practice at all. You don't see the need to practice more? Judging by how you claim these are all tales of bullsh^t and everybody must therefore be a liar, I see your need to practice....
(Should have stuck with 5 rnds, as I sent the flier off on the 9th shot. Got greedy!
)So if you can't do it, it must be bullsh^t huh? That's pretty arrogant. I've seen some excellent shooters, and have seen a few do better than 2" at 25yds, repeatedly. Just because you haven't doesn't mean it's not possible. Another thing to realize, is people are showing their best efforts, not their mediocre results. There's an old guy that runs an outdoor range in my area, he can hit a steel plate (24" square I believe) at 300 yards with iron sights on a 1911. Bet him $50 he can't do it within 3 shots, and he'll do it every time, usually on the first or second shot.
150-200rnds on different guns? That's not much practice at all. You don't see the need to practice more? Judging by how you claim these are all tales of bullsh^t and everybody must therefore be a liar, I see your need to practice....
the naked prophet
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Best I can do reliably is about 4 inches at 25 yards, with a S&W model 10 and handloaded 158 grain cast SWC. My Glock 19, I can shoot at about 5-6 inch groups at that range.
Not that I don't believe that it's possible to shoot 2 inch groups, and not that I expect anyone here to believe that I can shoot like I say I can, but...
Not that I don't believe that it's possible to shoot 2 inch groups, and not that I expect anyone here to believe that I can shoot like I say I can, but...
Silvanus
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That's OK. I just hate it when people claim Glocks are generally not accurate. Those people can't shoot (Glocks). It's as simple as that. I know for a fact that my Glock is very accurate when I do my part.
tydephan
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Is there a point that I missed somewhere?
Do people lie? Maybe.
Do folks sometime make honest mistakes? Probably.
Do people lie? Maybe.
Do folks sometime make honest mistakes? Probably.
The same can be said for you. If you do not believe the things being said here, why not simply skip over it?Woodstock@ said:
MICHAEL T
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I never try for the little bitty group I shoot what I carry and try for Inside a paper plate quick fireing at 10 yds and closer Be it 380 38 9mm or 45acp. I figure that will work if I need my gun. Never have enjoyed the bulleye shooting. I also never shoot at a range . Stand in one place slow fire isn't real life. I moved to country so I could shoot and be away from all the crime and city BS.
I will say its my belife most pistols out of the box will group better than 98% of the owners can shoot.
I will say its my belife most pistols out of the box will group better than 98% of the owners can shoot.
Scorpiusdeus
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Well, I really don't know what to say here. I've shot under a 2" group with my .40 S&W P226 while moving on a timer. Of course it was pretty lucky I think as I'm generally an average shooter at best. Still, I've been able to pull it off a couple of times if not more at an indoor range where I'm stationary. I don't post pictures because I'm just not that proud when I do. I know it was the exception and not the rule.
I've seen some pretty good shooters so I think claiming that people are lying is BS. Unless you were there, you don't know and we just have to take their word for it.
That having been said, I've wondered the same thing, but I just don't go around calling people liars without all the facts.
I suspect some may just be a the result of honest mistakes. At my local indoor, I heard a guy saying over and over again that he was going to shoot out to 50 yds. It was actually 50 feet, but he thought the line marks were in yards.
I've seen some pretty good shooters so I think claiming that people are lying is BS. Unless you were there, you don't know and we just have to take their word for it.
That having been said, I've wondered the same thing, but I just don't go around calling people liars without all the facts.
I suspect some may just be a the result of honest mistakes. At my local indoor, I heard a guy saying over and over again that he was going to shoot out to 50 yds. It was actually 50 feet, but he thought the line marks were in yards.
armoredman
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Silvanus, there was a guy I worked with who was a Glock wizard, the guy the OP says doesn't exist. He could make ragged one hole groups with a G17 all day long at 15 yards, and usually at 20 yards. G-rocks are accurate enough, just not my cup o' Tupperware.
Naked Prophet, I have done 3 inch groups with my Model 10-8 at 25yards, with the +P LWSCHP I use for carry ammo. I don't try that often, because thestuff is so flippin' expensive! Not to mention, I am afraid the nixt time I'll get a 10 inch group! But certain handloads will give me wonderful results, which is the point of having fun handloadin! This wheelie is WAY more accurate than I am, scary accurate. Love it.
Naked Prophet, I have done 3 inch groups with my Model 10-8 at 25yards, with the +P LWSCHP I use for carry ammo. I don't try that often, because thestuff is so flippin' expensive! Not to mention, I am afraid the nixt time I'll get a 10 inch group! But certain handloads will give me wonderful results, which is the point of having fun handloadin! This wheelie is WAY more accurate than I am, scary accurate. Love it.
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