Thought I was going to have to draw! Close Call!

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hello all,
Well what started out to be a normal late night run just about became my worst nightmare:
About 1:00am sunday morning, my wife had a craving for some ice cream, well i have a double quick store about 3 miles from my house, I live in the country(really in the boonies, a town of 200 people) I get to the main road coming from my side road, I have to wait on a black mini van, coming from across the mountain from the rough part of my area, i pull out behind this van and follow, i knew the driver was druck, constanly hitting the brakes, driving about 15mph, and swerving all over the road, so i stay back and wait till the straight stretch to pass him( probaly bad idea but was in a hurry) well i get to the straight away, start to go around him, but i see a car coming( i could have made it but i backed off) i ended up about 20ft from his rear bumper, so i back off and follow, well the driver started getting on the brakes very hard, i knew he was pissed off, he did this about 4 times in a two mile stretch, well we get to the red light at the intersection of the 4 lane, i have to cross this and the store is only about 100ft from there, We pull up to the light i am behind the van and i notice the door open on the passenger side, one guy gets out and stands by the van staring at me, well thats when i get my ruger p97 out of the holster and lay it in the seat, then the drivers door opens up and the driver gets out, i start thinking i dont need this ?????, well the driver starts yelling , hey you got a f-in problem, you about f-in hit me back there, hes throwing his arms up and cursing heavily, i sit there and ignore him with my gin in my lap, keeping an eye on both the driver and passenger, finally, a car is coming down behind us, the driver throws me a finger telling me that i am number one, by this time i am furious, but i keep my cool, what got me was the passenger started laughing, then hollered out f-in pussy, that got me even madder, the light finally changes,(late at night it takes about 3min to change) we start to move and they pull in the same damn store i need to go to, so i go straight and go to the next town(which is only 5 miles away) i get on the cell phone and call the state police and tell them what happened, i get to the other store in the next town, and get what i need, and head back, this time i took the 4 lane back around and avoid the 2 lane back road just in case they had their buddies waiting on me to ambush me, well i get down the road and i see blue lights, i look and low and behold it is the (sons of motherless goats) that (caused me great disturbance of my wa), i guess i got my laugh becasue they were getting a sobreity test, lmao, but this shows you know matter where you live and no matter how safe your small town is there is always some drunk (morons) lookin for trouble, i think i did good avoiding the aftermath of a shooting, but if they came running with a bat or something, then the outcome would have not been good, the only thing i could have done was run the light and go around them, but then this could had led to a high speed pursuit and injured other innocent people, so everyone give me you input on what i did wrong or right, by posting these incidents i hope it helps others to avoid and stay out of this situation,
thanks for listening,
jon

(Edited by Don in deference to Art's Grammaw, who says you shouldn't cuss or shoot drunks unless necessary.) ;)
 
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If you had to try to drive away and they followed you, just drive to the sheriff's office/police station...and call same on the cell. They'll be the blue light special pretty quick.

Overall, great job. Good awareness, good avoidance, and you got a couple of drunken idiots off the road, at least for a while.

Might want to fix this typo though:
i sit there and ignore him with my gin in my lap
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Great Post. I think these are a huge benefit to anyone that carries on a regular basis. THANKS
 
I can't think of anything you did wrong. In that situation, when some drunk is calling you names and trying to goad you into a fight, and you KNOW that if you fight you're going to wipe him off the face of the earth, just keep telling yourself "I'm saving your life, stupid. Saving your life." You'll still be mad, but it's funny later.
I once nearly threw a drunk over a second story rail at a crowded college dorm, but stopped myself when I saw that would happen if I swung him all the way around. He never noticed the danger he was in and probably to this day, if he thinks about it at all, thinks he intimidated me or that I was scared to do anything and lose my job as an RA. I know the truth. He might have taken me in a boxing match, but I was sober and a lot bigger and stronger and if I'd had to fight, I had no intention of fighting fair. I was planning to pin him to the base of the wall and throw knees and elbows until he dropped. "Saved your life, stupid."

That guy can be ignored because you know that he didn't know what he was facing. People who pick fights are dumb, and people who pick fights without knowing who or what they're facing are too dumb to pay any attention.

Only thing you could have done better was not posting f-word substitutes on THR, but after the night you had, we'll just call that a gimme. :)
 
my wife had a craving for some ice cream
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Why do so many SHTF stories start with this?

Wow, those dumb guys almost picked a fight with an armed, mentally prepared, disciplined man. Reeeeeal smart.

The last guy I heard of getting out of his car at an intersection to start a road rage incident ended up in jail. The victim was behind him at the intersection, and made the mistake of rolling his window down, or perhaps it was already rolled down. The car hopper started punching him through the window. Rather than driving away, or running the guy over, the victim started to kick back, through the window. Car hopper then steps back, draws a gun and shoots the guy dead. The shooter was in his 60's and should have known better. The other guy was in his 40's and should have known to drive away.

Lesson here is don't be either one of those guys! Be like john1996 and keep your cool, be prepared to defend yourself but don't escalate the fight. Drive away from trouble (john1996 could have stopped at the store, but wisely decided to avoid the fight.)
 
Phew! Glad it didn't escalate.

Something similar happened to me a long time ago, before I was able to carry. I hate to think what might have come of it had the "banty cock" stayed on his feet (the booze got the better of him in the course of his diatribe). I had no clue what to do, except maybe pre-empt his assault.

The law is very clear on this, however -- carry or not. I probably would have done my best to defuse the situation; but knowing the condition this guy was in, I doubt it would have made all that much of a difference. My pacifist attitude would have only fueled his machismo.

Good thing you had something to "negotiate" with. Better yet, you got away without having to resort to it.



Best regards,

~ Heraclitus
 
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I have just two nitpicks.

1) You had a cel phone, so why didn't you call the cops as soon as you saw the obviously drunk driver? In the eight or ten minutes it takes to go two miles at a stop-and-go 15mph, the cops could have been there to bust him for DWI.

2) You need to use some paragraph breaks, man! :)
 
Good ending to a potential nightmare on the roads once again.

I have one question----------how old are you jon1996?

If you are under 30 your actions are super commendable, otherwise commendable.

Brownie
 
YOu showed great restraint IMHO.
I have to add -speaking as a cab driver who makes at least 3 calls a weekend - I have to agree with Matt - call in as soon as you can. NO ONE needs to share the road with a drunk.
That said - well done.
 
Why can't i post a message without typing critics?

hello,
i love this board, and i love to post messages but evertime i post a message at least one person has to critisize me on my language skills, this just makes me not want to poast anymore,
I have never had a typing class, i have neve had a computer class, I am a Diesel mechanic/ Welder by trade, that is all i am, I live in the poorest part of eastern Ky. where most people are lucky to graduate the 8th grade, i am lucky that i graduated high school and then went on to college to be a diesel mechanic/welder, i think of this board as a big family, but lord can you lay off the critiqueing posts and just reply to what the post is about,
that is all i have,
thank you,
jon
 
brownie0486 :

i am 25 yrs young, i was born in sept 1978, i am usally calm natured but when i get to my breaking point it take alot to keep me calm,lol, it was hard to keep a cool head when you have someone yelling at you ,
later,
jon
 
Oh, relax. It was a friendly suggestion, and one that gets made pretty often to people who write one big paragraph.

I didn't knock your education, your career or your income level. I didn't fault your composition skills or criticize your grammar or spelling.

I just asked you to give our eyes a break. And I said it nicely.

We're all here to learn!

[Edit: All your bases are belong to us!]
 
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They might not have been drunk? Some weirdos are just more worried about what is behind them than in front of them. I run up onto these kind quite often myself. They sure do drive like crap! I think they should have their mirrors confiscated ;) Then at least we'd know who they are.

Last fall some young girl was staring at me so hard in her rear view mirror doing 80 in the fastlane of this super highway that when everyone came to a sudden stop. She totalled out her car. I slowed down a little but passed on the shoulder amid bouncing bits of plastic and a huge cloud of dust. I consider emergency braking for idiots optional when I'm on the bike.

It is good to avoid violent altercations! I got a laugh out of hearing these hotheads got what they were begging for. Thanks for sharing your story Jon.
 
Jon,

Seems you did fine. If one of the guys were to start towards you with a non-gun weapon (bat, stick, knife, etc.), remember your car is a weapon. Run them over. Now.

I keep a can of car-heat-proof OC spray in my car. If someone comes up to my window without a gun, they'll get that administered to them. That kind of situation is irritating enough to me that... (I'll refrain from posting the rest of the likely outcome after the OC is administered.)

About 20 years ago, I was driving on a long stretch of four lane road, divided by a large median, late at night. Two lanes going in the same direction on each side. Traveling about 60 mph, I suppose. The road was practically deserted, with only an occasional car passing the other way.
After a while, an older car came up behind me - close. Started riding my bumper. It was obvious that it was threatening. I sped up a little and they stayed on my bumper. I slowed down to let them pass and they stayed on my bumper. They clicked their headlights on high beams. They then pulled up beside me and I saw there were 4 large mexican looking men in the car. They started swerving a bit towards me and yelling out the window. They were obviously drunk or high. I would speed up and they would back off and then pull up again. This went on for miles. I was kicking myself for not having my handgun in the car. At the time, it was a 6" 686. Their behavior was clearly threatening and deadly and I would have had absolutely no compunction about shooting into their engine area and front tire to drive them off the road. Would have done it in a heartbeat and was driving down the road wishing it were in my hand to do so. This was before cell phones, so I couldn't call the police and with 5 large drunks, I certainly wasn't stopping.

After a few miles, the car finally lost interest and fell back and I drove at a high rate of speed to broaden the distance. (There were no towns or anything in the duration of this drama.)

I regretted not having my gun with me that night for a long time, as I stayed mad about it for a while.

Since then, I've only had one other road situation. This time it involved some oriental folks. They were swerving at me hard and making gestures, etc. I held up my handgun and they looked horrified and hit the brakes. They fell WAY back and I sped up and never saw them again. They were endangering me with their reckless chase and swerving and that stopped them cold.

(And no, I had not enticed either of the cars into their madness. I guess I was just a lucky target for their fun...)

Steve
 
Jon, well done! I never learned to type, either; and my English is mostly "old school".
Matt:"I didn't faulting your composition..."? Chuckle, chuckle!
Ryder: you're bragging 'bout the PYT!

Have fun, all!
And Stay Safe!
Bob
 
I'm a bouncer in my spare time, and I've noticed this about drunks...


If they are physical with you, and you show restraint, you're a p**sy

But, if they get more physical, and you lay em out, then you're a "maniac"


Geez. This is why I don't drink.


James
 
Seems you did fine. If one of the guys were to start towards you with a non-gun weapon (bat, stick, knife, etc.), remember your car is a weapon. Run them over. Now.
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Hard to prove it was self defense if you had the option of putting it in reverse.........Although I guess many people have a problem going that fast in reverse.
 
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