Times - They are a change'n

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WeekendReloader said:
When it comes back, it will be fast.
It seems that normal peoples' stockpiles are about topped off and GB prices are falling. Production is going full tilt. Once all the holes are filled and the only ammo being sold is for day-to-day shooters, it will overflow onto the store shelves and start to fill warehouses again. GB prices will be in free-fall due to scalpers being stuck with excess inventory they need to sell or lose their shirt on it.
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Correct, and now we are seeing a lot of governors thumb their noses at the 'Stay at Home' policies of the fed. So yes, manufacturing should be spooling up.
 
We've seen this before. The hoarding was more widespread this time, but also occurred over a longer time. Many pre-hoarded while items were cheap and plentiful. A lot of people are deep in ammo and components, didn't shoot much last summer, and just bought more because it's what all the cool kids were doing. It'll take awhile of seeing things readily available on shelves to stop the impulse buying...I'm guilty too...but we're seeing significant resistance to gouging and falling auction prices. I believe this will accelerate as many who speculated on retail items hoping to cash in on the great gougathon begin panic liquidation. There'll be some relative bargains to be had going forward.
 
Just to lazy to post the pic I took of the box. I was at the local Sportsmans Warehouse last Thursday in the gun department when one of the employees walked past me and put a box of 1000 5.56 Federal on the shelf with a sticker price of $599.00

I took the picture and walked away.
 
Frulk said:
Just to lazy to post the pic I took of the box. I was at the local Sportsmans Warehouse last Thursday in the gun department when one of the employees walked past me and put a box of 1000 5.56 Federal on the shelf with a sticker price of $599.00

I took the picture and walked away.
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Think I would have walked that up to the register and told the cashier that this was mis-priced, then show the cashier what the MSRP should be.
Chances are the employee did it to save that brick for a friend.
 
WeekendReloader said:
When it comes back, it will be fast.
It seems that normal peoples' stockpiles are about topped off and GB prices are falling. Production is going full tilt. Once all the holes are filled and the only ammo being sold is for day-to-day shooters, it will overflow onto the store shelves and start to fill warehouses again. GB prices will be in free-fall due to scalpers being stuck with excess inventory they need to sell or lose their shirt on it.
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Stop it! I’m hyperventilating!
 
Klaatu Barada Nikto said:
I dunno, but the trend is and has been in manufacturing to be Lean, JIT, Taguchi Methods etc...
In other words, "keep no inventory on shelves."
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I remember in the early 80's when MacDac adopted the JIT model. It took one order of Ti from the foundry being late, and the next being useless because it was spec'd wrong, to change production management's mind. By then it was too late. Upper management saw the handwriting and it said, "The experts say... Everybody's doing it... What will people think? Thou shalt obey. Signed, The Board of Directors"

Everything in this country moves by overland diesel hauler - trucks. Maybe it arrives on a ship, or a plane, or is sent across country on a train but, at some point critical to its being delivered, many points typically, everything moves by truck. When warehouses close and trucks stop rolling, all economic activity comes to a slow, painful, grinding halt. It's going to take time to get those wheels moving again. If you're right about all manufacturing being JIT - and I suspect you are - those wheels will be delivering raw materials, processed product, and finished goods all at the same pace.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
I remember in the early 80's when MacDac adopted the JIT model. It took one order of Ti from the foundry being late, and the next being useless because it was spec'd wrong, to change production management's mind. By then it was too late. Upper management saw the handwriting and it said, "The experts say... Everybody's doing it... What will people think? Thou shalt obey. Signed, The Board of Directors"

Everything in this country moves by overland diesel hauler - trucks. Maybe it arrives on a ship, or a plane, or is sent across country on a train but, at some point critical to its being delivered, many points typically, everything moves by truck. When warehouses close and trucks stop rolling, all economic activity comes to a slow, painful, grinding halt. It's going to take time to get those wheels moving again. If you're right about all manufacturing being JIT - and I suspect you are - those wheels will be delivering raw materials, processed product, and finished goods all at the same pace.
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Setting up a 5 axis CNC Mill was sometimes very arduous and could take up to 12 hours with some of the tougher aerospace nickle based alloy parts (very rigid setup). Then to tear it down after one part just to set it back up again in a week was the last straw for me. This is why one turbo pump on a Space Shuttle Main Engine was well over $10M.
 
Klaatu Barada Nikto said:
Setting up a 5 axis CNC Mill was sometimes very arduous and could take up to 12 hours with some of the tougher aerospace nickle based alloy parts (very rigid setup). Then to tear it down after one part just to set it back up again in a week was the last straw for me. This is why one turbo pump on a Space Shuttle Main Engine was well over $10M.
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Yup. The hex-head Yam was a real joy to setup. That totally cool binary interface and the special codes panel... whoop! o_O:barf:

I passed the Brown & Sharpe's tool-changer torture test. :D
 
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I wandered into our local Sportsman's Warehouse today actually looking for socks, but I just couldn't resist going down the component isles. Nothing, squat-diddly, nada. I did run into a shotgun guy who had just found some bags of #6 shot. He said it was the first he's seen in over a year (thank God for bulk orders at the range). There was so little loaded ammo I didn't even bother to look.

Then, I wandered over to the counter where they keep their list of available gun powders - it's not been kept on a shelf for a long time now. Really a shortlist, and I noticed that there was nothing over a pound. I commented to the counterman, and he said that the list was bigger today than yesterday as they had gotten in a few (single digit) bottles in a shipment the night before. I wrily asked if he had seen hide 'n hair of a primer, and he just laughed and said, oh no, not yet.

As he happened to be the manager, I asked his opinion of the situation, and he said no one was counting on much of anything for a year.

Keep yer powder dry, boys.
 
Frulk said:
Just to lazy to post the pic I took of the box. I was at the local Sportsmans Warehouse last Thursday in the gun department when one of the employees walked past me and put a box of 1000 5.56 Federal on the shelf with a sticker price of $599.00

I took the picture and walked away.
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that’s just plain out crazy town prices. but whatever floats a ritch guys boat
 
The bad part is locally on the secondary market that box would be listed at $750-$850....and probably selling.
 
Frulk said:
The bad part is locally on the secondary market that box would be listed at $750-$850....and probably selling.
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If someone can find a buyer and everyone is happy or overly paranoid. More power to them.... but, Refuse to pay crack prices for ammo
 
Wandered into Cabela's (LaVista,NE) today with a fellow I work with. He was getting a new pair of work boots.
Meandered over to the gun counter, CCI small rifle primers for 4.99/sleeve-limit 5.
I bought 5, and he got 5 for me also.
They also had 150 round boxes of .223 (Win white box and Herter's) lots of 'em. (I didn't see the price, but at least they are becoming available.)
Talked to a salesman, and it sounded like I just missed out on some 22lr they had in 1000 round packs, (about 30 min too late...!)
I guess not too bad for just walking in, not expecting to see anything.....:)
 
Soonerpesek said:
Wandered into Cabela's (LaVista,NE) today with a fellow I work with. He was getting a new pair of work boots.
Meandered over to the gun counter, CCI small rifle primers for 4.99/sleeve-limit 5.
I bought 5, and he got 5 for me also.
They also had 150 round boxes of .223 (Win white box and Herter's) lots of 'em. (I didn't see the price, but at least they are becoming available.)
Talked to a salesman, and it sounded like I just missed out on some 22lr they had in 1000 round packs, (about 30 min too late...!)
I guess not too bad for just walking in, not expecting to see anything.....:)
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I’m still not buying until primer goes to .03 with rebates.... yes, I can wait
 
That's encouraging word for sure. I've noticed 12 gauge ammunition reappearing on local shelves. Hopefully enough ammunition will become available to get all the new gun owners truly hooked on shooting.

Since I've been shooting and reloading, I've never seen prices decline in a meaningful, long term trend. I don't expect that pattern to change.
 
mokin said:
That's encouraging word for sure. I've noticed 12 gauge ammunition reappearing on local shelves. Hopefully enough ammunition will become available to get all the new gun owners truly hooked on shooting.

Since I've been shooting and reloading, I've never seen prices decline in a meaningful, long term trend. I don't expect that pattern to change.
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12 Gauge is so plentiful in my area that there's no limit at most places.
 
mokin said:
That's encouraging word for sure. I've noticed 12 gauge ammunition reappearing on local shelves. Hopefully enough ammunition will become available to get all the new gun owners truly hooked on shooting.

Since I've been shooting and reloading, I've never seen prices decline in a meaningful, long term trend. I don't expect that pattern to change.
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Locally, the high priced 9mm and .223 is starting to sit. $0.70 cpr isn't something anyone is willing to pay right now around here.
 
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