Today's headlines (Immigration)

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Yup, I left the Repubs because of Bush's first amnesty proposal, but if Tancredo runs, I just might come back.
Biker
 
They are radical, racist, and right here in significant numbers.

I respect the guy who wrote this, so I'll admit immediately to taking his quote out of context.

But such [above] is the belief of every "indigenous race" to North America long before "whitey" ever showed up. This has gone on for 500 years.

Folks are surprized that, with a little power, brown-skins want it all back?

"Seems naive."
 
Sounds like House Republicans are softening.

I guess gun owners have been going about it all wrong, trying to work within the system and be law-abiding.

Maybe it's time we took it to the streets as well so we can get some legislation passed favorable to us.
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GOP Chiefs Don't Want Immigrants Charged

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The two top Republicans in Congress, confronted with internal party divisions as well as large public demonstrations, said Tuesday they intend to pass immigration legislation that does not subject illegal aliens to prosecution as felons.

A written statement by House Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, did not say whether they would seek legislation subjecting illegal immigrants to misdemeanor prosecution or possibly a civil penalty such as a fine.

"It remains our intent to produce a strong border security bill that will not make unlawful presence in the United States a felony," the two men said. An estimated 11 million men, women and children are in the United States illegally.

The Republican-controlled House passed legislation late last year that is generally limited to border security measures. It makes illegal immigrants subject to felony prosecution.

Senate efforts to write a broader bill - covering border security, a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for many of the 11 million in the country illegally - are gridlocked with lawmakers on a two-week vacation.

Frist has said he intends to bring the issue back to the Senate floor, although he stopped short of a flat commitment and the prospects for passage of an election-year immigration bill are uncertain.

The late-afternoon statement by the top GOP leaders in both houses came after days of large street demonstrations by protesters opposed to criminal penalties for illegal immigrants.

Additionally, in a Washington Post-ABC News poll published during the day, only 20 percent of those questioned said they favored declaring illegal immigrants to be felons and barring them from work. More than 60 percent indicated support for the general approach envisioned in the leading Senate proposal. It includes a requirement that illegal immigrants be required to pay a fine and back taxes as part of a process of qualifying for eventual citizenship.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D- Mass., dismissed the proposal by the GOP leadership, saying: "Actions speak louder than words, and there's no running away from the fact that the Republican House passed a bill, and Senator Frist offered one, that criminalizes immigrants."

"This debate shouldn't be about making criminals out of hardworking families ... but rather about strengthening our national security and enacting a law that reflects our best values and our humanity," Kennedy said.

The question of a penalty has dogged the debate for months and been the subject of intense political maneuvering.

GOP aides pointed out that Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, had tried during debate on the House floor to reduce the penalty to a misdemeanor.

The attempt failed on a vote of 257-164, with 65 Republicans and 191 Democrats opposed. Many of the Democrats, including members of the Hispanic Congressional Caucus, indicated at the time they favored no criminal penalties, and opposed the suggested change.

In their statement, Hastert and Frist said the Democrats who did so had demonstrated a "lack of compassion." In addition, they renewed the charge that Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid is seeking to "block action on immigration legislation."

Reid has denied the charges.

While they leveled their accusations at Reid, the GOP leadership has been struggling with internal divisions.

Several House Republican conservatives have vociferously denounce Senate proposals as amnesty for lawbreakers.

And while Frist praised the leading Senate proposal last week as a "huge breakthrough," he was the only member of the GOP leadership to embrace it. Two other members of the group, Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona and Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, voiced their opposition. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania opposes the measure, according to a spokesman.

Sen. Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina, who heads the party's senatorial campaign committee, declined this week through an aide to take a position on the bill.

A spokesman for Sen. Mitch McConnell, the second-ranking Republican, sidestepped a question by saying the Kentucky lawmaker favors a comprehensive approach.
 
Border jumping *is* a felony the second time. Problem is, it's just another ignored law.
Enforce the laws we have and we'll be in a lot better shape than we are now.
Biker
 
I'm more concerned about border enforcement. Are the Republicans going to insist on a real wall and beefed-up border force?

But the real issue is assimilation and what a lack of that will mean for the American nation if fifty million new Americans get the vote.
 
Reason

There is no reason to make illegals felons . They will not go after them anyway.
They break the law by being here. They break the law with fake I.D.'s and S.S. cards.
Politicians don't care,they want their votes.Illegals vote in some places even if that's not legal(another law broken)
 
The end result of what's going on is going to be irrelevancy of suffrage and, beyond that, fragmentation of the U.S. Americans are already disenchanted with the political process, feeling unrepresented. Why would any current American citizen gave a fig about voting if ten or twenty million new citizens, persuaded by extant organizations to use bloc voting power, now have the right of suffrage and hence the right to de facto disenfranchise the rest of America? Goodbye, United States. The same thing is going on with the court system, with renegade judges ignoring popular will. I have yet to hear anyone in the mass media or political spotlight talk at length about the implications of our "compassion." I assume we know why.
 
*sigh*

That really sucks and it's wrong. So is tagging, and I condone neither.
It's gonna get worse.
Biker
 
The felony thing just stripped the right to vote and change the country's politics, not to mention local and state politics, where aliens are really in great numbers. They can get the same result by being up front about it and disqualifying guest worker amnesty participants from ever voting, EVER. Those who leave the country and come back the right way can be treated as any other immigrant, fully entitled.
 
Vandalism and worse is obviously not the answer to anything. Nor is Ted Kennedy's brain. We need some HONEST discussion about all aspects of this issue and we need to take our time before making final policy. One thing we do know already is that we need to stop the flow of illegals coming in now.
 
The felony thing just stripped the right to vote and change the country's politics, not to mention local and state politics, where aliens are really in great numbers. They can get the same result by being up front about it and disqualifying guest worker amnesty participants from ever voting, EVER. Those who leave the country and come back the right way can be treated as any other immigrant, fully entitled.

So we're to create a permanently disenfranchised class in our midst? Only works if we have TEMPORARY guest workers in limited numbers and strict border enforcement.
 
Definitions-

Emigration:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Emigration

em·i·grate Audio pronunciation of "Emigration" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-grt)
intr.v. em·i·grat·ed, em·i·grat·ing, em·i·grates

To leave one country or region to settle in another. See Usage Note at migrate.

Emigration

n : migration from a place (especially migration from your native country in order to settle in another) [syn: out-migration, expatriation]



Immigration

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Immigration

im·mi·grate Audio pronunciation of "Immigration" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-grt)
v. im·mi·grat·ed, im·mi·grat·ing, im·mi·grates
v. intr.

To enter and settle in a country or region to which one is not native. See Usage Note at migrate.

Immigration

n 1: migration into a place (especially migration to a country of which you are not a native in order to settle there) [syn: in-migration] 2: the body of immigrants arriving during a specified interval; "the increased immigration strengthened the colony"
 
Biker said:
Border jumping *is* a felony the second time. Problem is, it's just another ignored law.
First time...second time... let's avoid all that by building a fence to prevent it all... even a tall razor wire electrified barrier would cut down on this border jumping... I fail to understand why no real barrier is being pursued?
 
Well CD, the pols are selling America for votes and corporate money, IMO. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
Biker
 

Sheesh. How many restaurant owners torch their own failing businesses?

First thing you should do when a restaurant burns is investigate the owner.

My father has been in the insurance business for over 30 years and he tells the story that in all that time EVERY torched restaurant that he had coverage on was burned by the owner.
 
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"There is no reason to make illegals felons"

Well, there sure is no reason to reward Illegal Invasion, with U.S. Citizenship.

They have, in place, an avenue for naturalization. But they do not wish to be bothered by following those steps.

So, since they do not want to bother with our rules, what would make any sane U.S. Congressman, believe that after naturalization via Amnesty, they will follow:

Criminal law (remember Resillieo Remendez?) Tax law; Traffic laws regarding purchase of liability insurance; Voting rules; or for that matter, any law at all if we simply reward them for breaking one of our main laws?

Maybe there is no need to make it a felony, but there is a need to do exactly what the Constitution mandates regarding invasion and inssurection, and that is for Congressto call forth and organize the Militia, pursuant to Article I Section Eight, to "enforce the laws of the Union" and prove that America can defend herself against Insurrection, intimidation, and Invasion.

Removing the flag of the nation you illegally enter, and burning it while hoisting the flag of another nation, sure as hell does not indicate you plan on complying with any laws of the United States.

I don't see my State Government offering any amnesty to property owners failing to pay their property taxes for five straight years.

They need the money for schools to hire Spanish speaking teachers in order to teach revisionist "Reconquistadore" history.

And I don't see the Internal Revenue Service offering amnesty to any American citizen who fails to pay ALL federal taxes, regardless if they disagree with the purposes of the tax money spent.

But for some bizzarre reason, the Federal Government is in the process of drafting plans for a law to give amnesty to people who follow NONE of our laws, if they happen to have illegally invaded our country.

One claim I hear a lot, is Illegal Aliens "pay their share of taxes."

I cannot imagine how they pay federal income taxes, if they don't have a (valid) Social Security number.

You can bet your life, they do not pay a single dime in Federal Income taxes, since any monies left over from their pay after living expenses, goes to Mexico, so the rest of their extended family can hire Coyotes to get them accross the Rio Grande. Simple as that.

But instead of Congress listening to the voice of "We the People" (read U.S. Citizens, either native or naturalized) who pay taxes and follows the rule of our government, they appear to be caving in to anarchists, and grant them amnesty, just as France gaves in to mobs demanding the "right" to never be fired by an employer, for any reason, for a period of "150 years".
 
I fail to understand why no real barrier is being pursued? -Camp David

because a majority of politicians have something to gain through unchecked illegal immigration, and even more to gain by granting amnesty to said criminals. this is the question i feel is more important than any being asked in regard to this issue: when...seriously, when are american citizens collectively going to call these rogue politicians on their complete disregard for the will of the public, and force them to find work elsewhere? i advocate permanentlyl throwing out any senator or representative that has been in office for more than six years, and then creating a law that allows an individual to ONLY serve ONE six year term in the house or senate. we NEED to shake things up. we NEED new leaders.
 
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