Trump to Sessions: Ban Bumpstocks

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The president is caving into the media and polls.

He will continue to cave in as long as popular opinion is against him.

He likes to look good. Can't do that when the WH is being hammered to take some action.

He will sigh whatever AG legislation congress puts in front of him.

He was a Democrat longer than he was a republican.

“I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”
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Donald Trump TheAmerica We Deserve, published in 2000.

I saw it coming.
 
that other side will not give an inch , they want to outlaw ALL firearms and that is their end goal , if they can gain that goal inch by inch it's full steam ahead for them , just look what the have done with their pet state California , it started with a simple ban in California and now look how far it has gone for them, they have an agenda to crush the 2A whenever and wherever they can ,
 
It is ludicrous and evil to deny the ownership of rifles to the same men we send to use the very same rifles, to do our bidding with.

There will be NO compromise.

Wait, I take that back. They get rid of nose rings and gauges, then, after a six month grace period, we can, maybe, talk about bump stocks.(Not really.:evil:)
 
JO JO said:
that other side will not give an inch , they want to outlaw ALL firearms and that is their end goal , if they can gain that goal inch by inch it's full steam ahead for them , just look what the have done with their pet state California , it started with a simple ban in California and now look how far it has gone for them, they have an agenda to crush the 2A whenever and wherever they can ,
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The other side doesn’t need to give anything, now that the administration is doing its bidding voluntarily.
 
As a Libertarian I am opposed to all gun laws. However as a Pragmatist it is necessary to make some compromises. It is a losing hand to defend bump fire stocks that may have played a role in the massacre.

As commented politics is a chess game. Most of us agree that bump-fire stocks are not practical for accurate shooting and mainly useful for burning a lot of ammo in a hurry.

The mid-term elections are just a few short months away and it is good strategy to get this issue off of the table.

However I am strongly opposed to raising the age limit for buying semi-auto firearms which will require Congress changing the law.

Anyway, the big news here is that Trump said "bump stocks" not "rate increasing devices."

Yep. As it is said “the devil is in the details.”

I’m sitting here at the ripe old age of 35. And honestly, I’m a little stunned by some of these comments as well. It appears that some THR members are fine with the actions of a few affecting millions. But it’s fine because it doesn’t affect them because they’re older. That’s NOT pro-2A. That’s pro-“ME”.

Take comfort in us “Old Guys” who have lived through the dark days of GCA of 1968, the Machine Gun ban (National Firearms Act) in 1986, the Clinton era of turning the BATF and FBI loose on citizens and gun dealers and the ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds in 1994.

The sky is not falling and our rights to bear and keep arms are not being fundamentally restricted by banning “bump-fire” stocks. We do need to oppose raising the age on buying AR-15’s as we know it will effectively ban all semi-auto rifles and whatever else they can sneak in.

If the Democrats gain control of the House of Representatives in November ALL hope of more pro-gun laws being passed is dead.
 
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CoalTrain49 said:
Look around.

How old is the average congress person. Reps are 57, senators 61.

Nobody here is deciding your rights.

Grey hairs know more than you do. They've lived longer.

Show some respect.
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Old enough for those silver back congressmen to send you off to war, not old enough to own even a mimicry of the implements you would carry there. And the young’ns are supposed to sit down and zip it out of respect?
 
All the rah rah we'll NEVER give an inch stuff sounds great but if you don't feel the winds of change coming you're not paying attention. I agree that it's a slippery slope and that this will be a death by a thousand cuts. That said I don't think it's a bad idea to try to get while we're forced to give. If you think affirmations and tough talk are going to beat the demographic swing that's coming, more power to ya
 
SharpDog said:
Holy heck, what are your solutions? What exactly do you think will happen if you keep your stance?
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My soulution is NOT giving up freedoms. Seems pretty simple to me.

What will happen if I keep my stance? You mean what will happen if I refuse to capitulate to spineless compromisers for the sake of not looking like an evil gun owner who’s proud to be an American and support our constitutional right to keep and bear arms for the protection of myself, my family, and security of the greatest country on earth? Gee, I don’t know. I guess people will just have to not like me.
 
If "everyone" agrees that machineguns should not be available over the counter, how close does a semi-auto gun, which "everyone" agrees should be available over the counter, have to get to a machinegun before it get's "everyone's" attention?

We'll know soon enough I guess.
 
Acelaw said:
That said I don't think it's a bad idea to try to get while we're forced to give
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TRY to get while we’re FORCED to give? Lord help us if that is “our” stance. In one sentence you gave “them” all the power. Just go ahead and hold up the white flag now.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
Look around.

How old is the average congress person. Reps are 57, senators 61.

Nobody here is deciding your rights.

Grey hairs know more than you do. They've lived longer.

Show some respect.
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I seriously hope that this is a satirical post and I am just not getting the joke. I can be a bit slow that way sometimes.

I have been a member of THR for almost 13 years. I think I am past the 18 - 21 bracket just a bit...
 
I stand on the fact that if an 18 year old is old enough to be drafted then he/she should be old enough for everything that has an age restriction at that point.

Its ridiculous in my mind that the government could call an 18 year old up to go and give his/her life for this country but doesn’t have all the freedoms the country he’s fighting for should afford him/her.

The age limit part of Trumps recent remarks is a real thorn in my side.
 
BigBore44 said:
TRY to get while we’re FORCED to give? Lord help us if that is “our” stance. In one sentence you gave “them” all the power. Just go ahead and hold up the white flag now.
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Ok - I'll stand strong and refuse to give an inch - especially on bump fire devices. Remind me how much my courage helped in a couple months
 
CoalTrain49 said:
Look around.

How old is the average congress person. Reps are 57, senators 61.

Nobody here is deciding your rights.

Grey hairs know more than you do. They've lived longer.

Show some respect.
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Did you really just imply that those politicians (grey hairs) who inacted the ‘68 GCA, the NFA of ‘86, the magazine restrictions in ‘94 and the gun control in California know more than we do so we should be quiet? Or is it the grey hairs that voted for those politicians and presidents who enacted those acts that I’m supposed to listen to and seek wisdom from? I would think I wouldn’t want to be categorized with those that voted that way.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
The president is caving into the media and polls.

He will continue to cave in as long as popular opinion is against him.

He likes to look good. Can't do that when the WH is being hammered to take some action.

He will sigh whatever AG legislation congress puts in front of him.

He was a Democrat longer than he was a republican.



Donald Trump TheAmerica We Deserve, published in 2000.

I saw it coming.
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That was 18 years ago and not even Trump can tell you what an assault weapon is. Given his campaign, his sons, and the shootings the past few months, he hasn't come out and said anything close to AWB needs to happen. No, it's bump stocks and he said "maybe" to age restrictions.

What I wish Trump would understand is that no matter what he does to appease people who don't like him is that it's never going to make them like him. He's going to forever be hated by half the country and he needs to accept that and keep his campaign promises or resign.

Trump is going to sign ANY gun legislation that reaches his desk, which is why the smart move to make is for somebody to add a bump stock ban to the National Reciprocity/Fix NICS bill and add suppressor deregulation. Otherwise, Reciprocity dies forever and bump stocks get banned along with Lord knows what else in 2019.
 
I think that most of this panic is over nothing. Haven't you all noticed that whenever Donald Trump has proposed anything - no matter how liberally-inclined that thing may be - the liberals MUST block it.

I think that this is just Trump's way to defuse the situation without handing his opponents a weapon to use against him. He IS a past master of psychological warfare. That's how he got elected, after all.
 
psyopspec said:
Old enough for those silver back congressmen to send you off to war, not old enough to own even a mimicry of the implements you would carry there. And the young’ns are supposed to sit down and zip it out of respect?
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The draft ended in 73 so no congressman actually "sent you off to war" without you're consent and voluntary enlistment in the military after that.

If you enlisted after that what did you expect, an all expense paid vacation on the tax payers dime.

And yes, show some respect for those who were drafted or enlisted when the draft was in effect that sent a lot of people to an early grave.
 
BSA1 said:
Buy but not to own or possess. And yes there is opposition but 18 - 21 year olds don't have the political clout.

As I said "the devil is in the details."
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Hmm... probably right. Trump coming out with bump stock talk has taken a lot of focus off AR's and hi capacity magazines.
 
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