TSA is amazingly polite at Dallas Love Field...

[Warhawk83]

So, be ready to have a $250 'resolution fine' from TSA in your mailbox in a couple months. Just for 'disturbing' the line. The guy inspecting was pretty polite, but apparently his supervisor or someone didn't like me

Did you actually pay the fine?

 

[medalguy]

I don't know specifically about the woman with kids, but my wife is wheelchair bound and always has to be manually screened, no scans for her. The biggest problem is the wait for a female screener to pat her down. We fly fairly often and she has NEVER been patted down by a male. I'm just telling our experience. YMMV.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

hmmm

alex jones and the words accuracy and truth are not often used in the same sentence without a negative qualifier

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

My theory is that if you HAVE to fly, you should make this as painful for the TSA goons as possible... Ammo thieves.

My plan is to refuse the scanner and when they pat me down make moaning noises, gasps, and act like I'm being pleasured by the process. If they insist on patting down my crotch area, it's going to sound like they are filming one of those Herbal Essences commercials in the terminal.... "oh Yes... YES.... YEEEESSSSS!!!"

Did it ever occur to anyone how insane it is for them to be putting the pilots through the same indignity? Pilots have to go through the same exact security, and then the same exact people go ahead and fly huge planes full of jet fuel over all the major cities...

And the TSA don't even carry guns. Imagine if two or three people who meant business showed up in there with rifles and body armor. The TSA guys would be just as easy to gun down as anyone else in the victim disarmament zone... No guns, no body armor, no training. They are only making it a hassle for the good people.

Security Theater, I tell ya.

 

[sfsmedic]

While I get the whole right to privacy argument and infringement of rights argument you do realize it's not a right to fly but a privilege right? Just playing devils advocate to the it's my right argument I always hear that just doesn't pertain. I am curious on thoughts if you look at it this way, since in all honesty this is he way it is.

And Rusty their job isn't to confront the attackers merely act as a deterrent. LEOs are lurking and on hand for TSA screeners when they need them.

 

[brboyer]

While I get the whole right to privacy argument and infringement of rights argument you do realize it's not a right to fly but a privilege right? Just playing devils advocate to the it's my right argument I always hear that just doesn't pertain. I am curious on thoughts if you look at it this way, since in all honesty this is he way it is.

And Rusty their job isn't to confront the attackers merely act as a deterrent. LEOs are lurking and on hand for TSA screeners when they need them.

Were you sick the day they covered this in school?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[sfsmedic]

And again you are submitting to this because you are choosing to fly on a private plane regulated by the government. This is a choice you are making not being forced to make. So your argument is incorrect.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Dude, American History 101. Ever heard of the United States Constitution? If they are going to violate my rights, I might as well make them uncomfortable as all get out while they do it.

"If you touch me there... I will come." That's just part of the conversation I'll be having with the TSA guy.

They are violating both my Second Amendment and my Fourth Amendment rights during this nonsense and any terrorist worth his salt could still get a weapon on a plane.

"And again you are submitting to this because you are choosing to fly on a private plane regulated by the government. This is a choice you are making not being forced to make. So your argument is incorrect. "

Well I eat food that is harvested by private companies every day that is also regulated by government. And your own private property is zoned and regulated by government. Where does it end? WHERE?!? Let me be clear: I just want to do what I want to do, when I want to do it, without harming anyone else... without government employees seeing me naked OR touching my junk. Is that too much to ask?

 

[sfsmedic]

If you were being forced to fly you'd be right.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I hope to God that you are not really in our Special Forces.

They are effectively regulating EVERYTHING now. But it's okay because I'm not being forced to eat, right? I'm not being forced to drink water(public utility), right? I'm not being forced to use a toilet using less than 1 gallon per flush, right? I'm not being forced to buy Health Insurance, right? Oh wait...

 

[sfsmedic]

Lol. What you are missing in this is that by buying a ticket you are voluntarily submitting to TSA regulations and to follow the rules in return being allowed to fly on a private aircraft.

Again you are voluntarily flying not being forced to that is the key to hole in your argument of rights.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Again you are voluntarily flying not being forced to that is the key to hole in your argument of rights.

+1. Not that I agree with the TSA regulations, but I do agree it is not a constitutional issue.

 

[sfsmedic]

I'm going to clarify now as well. I don't necessarily agree with TSA which is why I said gonna play devils advocate but i wanted to point out it has nothing to do with constitutional rights. Thanks NavyLT

 

[SpaceFrank]

Sure, you're not being forced to fly. But it's simply not practical to travel any other way sometimes. For US citizens, free travel among the various United States is a right, not a privilege. I shouldn't have to choose between being groped and wasting untold time and effort driving a car coast to coast.

This is definitely a 4th amendment issue. It's not the airline (a private company) doing the screening. It's a government agency, which is clearly what the 4th is all about. The airlines themselves have no choice in the matter either, so there's no competition allowed and no choice for the customer aside from simply not patronizing the entire industry.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Look, I see your point. I admit it. But now I'm going to play devil's advocate. Think about it...

By that argument, you are saying that our rights don't apply if it is a private good or service that we are opting to use, right? Because we choose to do business with them voluntarily, right?

Well consider this:
They regulate ALL food. In fact they regulate EVERYTHING.

See where this is going? Now I'm being the devil's advocate.

What's to stop them from insisting that they must see your junk in the scanner before you can shop at a private grocery store? I mean, you are choosing to buy food, right? And terrorists can use grocery stores to poison people can't they? This isn't a Constitutional issue... it's for your safety, of course.

Nevermind that you can make mustard gas from Bleach and Ammonia (soap, detergent, cleaners: aisle 9...) Or the fact that Liquid Plumber is definitely fatal if someone were to put it in a 2 Liter Coke on the shelf. That is trivial, but we HAVE to scan your peen or pat you down to make sure you don't poison people with arsenic like the Taliban do. It is not unconstitutional, because this is a private good that we are regulating. It's for security, you see?

They could literally do this with everything. Even in your own house due to the utilities or the internet, or... just choose something you consume in your own household. We've gotta draw the line somewhere.

Edit: SpaceFrank is obviously a genius at articulating points clearly. ^What he said.^

 

[Buck Snort]

I've cut my flying back to the bare minimum.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I've cut my flying back to the bare minimum.

I hear the new whole body scanners do that for you!

 

[sfsmedic]

I hear the new whole body scanners do that for you!

LMAO

 

[leadcounsel]

I don't think this is as black and white with regard to the 4th Amendment. Remember, the 4th Amendment protects us from GOVERNMENT searches....

Some argue that flying is a privilege that you pay for, and not a right. I see that side of the argument.

However, the Airlines are regulated by the Government, Airports are Federal facilities or at least governed by Federal law, and interfering with a flight is a violation of Federal law. TSA and security are Federal employees.

So I think you could make a solid argument that flying is effectively a participating in a Government activity.

However, let's remember that you are CONSENTING to this search. You DO have an option - not to fly. Yes, impractical or even impossible to travel if you withhold consent, but the argument is that you DO have notice of being searched and the right to refuse.

For the record, I agree with some level of searches and scrutiny AND enhanced searches for profiling certain individuals based on experience. If we had no security planes would be blown up every day. I am shocked to think back on the 1970s and 1980s when ANYONE could just pay cash for a oneway ticket and not even board but put their 'luggage' on board! Or they could just walk on with whatever guns and bombs they wanted! It truly is startling to think that, and equally startling to think that MORE planes weren't hijacked or downed. Humans paid a terrible price for this lack of ANY security back then.

I think EVERYONE here will admit that when they have boarded a flight in the past, feeling a sense of relief that some of the other folks on the flight were thoroughly searched!

However I vehemently disagree with the body imager/scanners and think that goes too far, is too Orwellian, and would refuse them even if it meant not flying.

I think the best policy is bag scanning, metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs/machines, securing the pilots behind a vault door, training and arming at least one pilot on every flight, and putting at least 1 armed undercover US marshall on select flights.

The net result of all of these searches, I will admit, has changed my primary mode of travel to driving rather than flying if possible, and I imagine is has for many and cost the Airlines a lot of dough.

 

[vaherder]

Give TSA a Show

I fly a few times a month if the drive is 5hrs or more.

I have no problem with the full body scanners. I like giving TSA show. I have noticed that when my turn comes up to be scanned that several female TSA staffers are huddled around the machine checking out my pixs. The joys of flying out of the same airports on a regular basis. I think lewd and lascivious thoughts about my girlfriend right be I enter the scanner and give the TSA girls my best salute and hum that song about my big 10in.

You don't have a right to fly or drive. Therefore the govt can impose regs and laws on you. If you don't like the regs change the laws and regs. Good luck with that.



VA herder

 

[Sky]

If you stand back and unemotionally look at certain things and goals from our enemies abroad and from within then you have to think, "If their goal is to destroy our way of life then they are succeeding on so many levels". As I have said before infiltrate, intimidate, and exterminate. Works on many different levels.

Many of us are old and will be dead soon and the new generation will come along and just believe that's the way it is. No not in every case just the majority.

 

[brboyer]

+1. Not that I agree with the TSA regulations, but I do agree it is not a constitutional issue.

I would agree with you, if the private company was the one doing the search.

This is an even bigger violation of private property rights.

 

[Guns and more]

Really hit and miss depending on the supervisory staff. If you opt out of the body scanners at some places it becomes an exercise in loudness and intimidation.

I always refuse the machine scan, TSA has been polite but punish me with a ten minute pat down, including the soles of my feet and looking in my billfold.

Shinbone: I think your pilot buddy may have been jerking your leg a bit

No, he is exactly right.
Pilots are now refusing the scan due to the radiation hazard and the invasion of privacy.

By the way, TSA PROMISED the machines were not capable of storing scans. They lied, not only do they store scans, but TSA employees have been caught ogling pictures of good looking women, perhaps your daughter.

By the way deux. If you go through a "Rapidscan" machine, it has been sold to your airport by none other than Michael Chertoff, former head of TSA. (DHS)

That's like Janet Napolitano selling fences to Arizona.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

source?

but TSA employees have been caught ogling pictures of good looking women, perhaps your daughter.


for this claim? please no alex jones or wnd

 

[sfsmedic]

I always refuse the machine scan, TSA has been polite but punish me with a ten minute pat down, including the soles of my feet and looking in my billfold.

No, he is exactly right.
Pilots are now refusing the scan due to the radiation hazard and the invasion of privacy.

By the way, TSA PROMISED the machines were not capable of storing scans. They lied, not only do they store scans, but TSA employees have been caught ogling pictures of good looking women, perhaps your daughter.

By the way deux. If you go through a "Rapidscan" machine, it has been sold to your airport by none other than Michael Chertoff, former head of TSA. (DHS)

That's like Janet Napolitano selling fences to Arizona.

Referenced proof or it didn't happen. That or if I say aliens invaded you have to believe it.