Channeling my psychic friends...
Prediction: TSA is tomorrow's FEMA. Too broken to fix; hurts those they're supposed to help.
Prediction: TSA is tomorrow's FEMA. Too broken to fix; hurts those they're supposed to help.
TSA "Selectee List"
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Uhmm... my understanding is that the term "frangible" refers to bullets that are made to break up upon hitting steel into powder. Since commercial aircraft have little steel in them I am not sure why you would want them. Last time I checked FAM carried normal hollowpoints.
Did you mean prefragmented like MagSafe or Glaser ?
If you are concerned about shooting in a pressurized aircraft and making a hole in the aircraft 2 points
1) It is not a problem. An average commercial passenger aircraft has holes in the pressure cabing of about 1-2 square feet. Air is constantly being pumped in to replace losses. Use the search button this subject has come up before.
2) Plug any bullet holes with the body(ies) of the hijackers that have been shot. (That will reduce the noise
)NukemJim
I'm retired military and I think I have a better understanding of, and appreciation for security measures than the average citizen. I hate flying anymore, because of the inefficiency of the airlines and the intrusions of the TSA. Security could be enhanced with more thought about potential terrorists and less about randomness for the sake of political correctness. I have had both knees replaced, and the titanium prosthetic knees that I now have set off the metal detectors immediately. I guess having prosthetic knees makes me a higher security risk since I get a thorough going over, even when it is quite easy to determine that the metal that sets off the detector is inside my knee joints, not in a pocket, shoe or elsewhere. My mother, an active and alert 91 year old refuses to fly because she has been searched and harassed the last few times she flew and will no longer put up with this treatment. The TSA, IMHO, does little to insure airline security but does provide jobs to thousands that we as taxpayers support. If you want to feel safe when flying, fly on El Al (the Israeli airline). The hassle is greater but it appears to be aimed at truly achieving the goal of keeping hijackers/terrorists off the flight.
I can top that. I work at an airport in the Operations Department and have unrestricted access to the entire airport. I also have the title of Wildlife Hazard Coordinator, which means I get paid to shoot birds and other wildlife hazards on the airport and usually have a 12 gauge shotgun in my work truck.
Well one day I am walking through screening when a TSA employee asks me "what's that".
I look down and he is poiniting to my leatherman. I say "that is my leatherman".
He says "you can't have that in here, it is prohibited".
I say "its OK, I work for the airport" (He know this and I know he knows this, but it was the only thing I could think of to say right then)
He says "doesn't matter, it's a security threat and you need to remove it when coming in here"
I say "I have 24 hour unrestricted access to this entire airport, which is more access than you have, plus I drive around on the ramp where passengers get on the planes with a loaded 12 gauge shotgun in the vehicle. So how is me carrying a leatherman a security threat"
He looks at me, shakes his head and just walks away. I have not had any trouble with TSA since then.
part of WHY I hate to fly....
I traveled through Tucson on Feb. 25, at approximately 9:30 AM for an Alaska airlines flight to Seattle that departed at approximately 11:35 AM. I had checked in early as I was returning from a hunting trip and had several firearms to check. The check-in of my luggage and firearms went quite smoothly as I was between flight times. The Alaska personnel were polite and courteous, checked their regulations regarding flying with firearms, asked to examine the arms and the ammunition, had me sign the tag and insert it in my checked bags. No hassles what so ever. After hitting the rest room and purchasing a book for my children I headed to the gate to clear security as the line was not nearly as long as it was when I arrived in Tucson on the 21st or even when I arrived to check in on the 25th. I figured that the time was good for a fast pass without too much hassle. The line consisted of approximately 35-40 people. WRONG. The following page details the objectionable portions of the process.
Tucson trip low points.
- Lack of sufficient personnel at check point.
- Improper and NOT-AS-SPECIFICALLY-REQUESTED examination of exposed film resulting in damage to film. (Note: a)
- RUDE and demeaning treatment and non-professional manner of security staff. (Note: b)
- Improper treatment of packer-sealed foodstuffs. (Note: c)
- Non-secure treatment of personal belongings. (Note: d)
Note a: A hand-carried cartridge of 35mm film was taken from me and rather than hand examined, was placed in ANOTHER PERSON’S tub of belongings and run through the X-Ray machine. It was also repeatedly backed and turned for “re-examination” resulting in fogging and streaks at development. I had it processed at a custom photo lab for the specific purpose of trying to mitigate the damage. The cartridge contained among other things the last pictures of my grandmother before her death. Those photos did not come out well. I repeatedly asked, POLITELY for hand examination of the aforementioned film and a camera containing a partially exposed roll taken on my trip to AZ. That camera was also sent thought the X-Ray machine. It does not appear to have much damage…a few pinpoints on the film. I use high speed film, ASA 800 or higher for most of my photography, which is more susceptible to damage especially with repeated passes through the X-Ray machine.
Note b: I repeatedly asked, POLITELY for hand examination of the aforementioned film and camera. I was ignored and told that there wasn’t time…”I was holding up the line”. It was then announced loudly “will someone please tell this gentleman that we need to move the line”. After finally clearing the walk-through scanner and being pulled aside for a “wand exam-Male”. During the examination, after removing my shoes, belt and ball cap, I was asked to open the fly of my Levi’s (button fly 501s) and then I believe the attendant groped me. His hands were inside my trousers and against my genitals and it sure felt like I was given a squeeze. Upon my objection, I was threatened with a strip search if I didn’t “pipe down and cooperate”. The individual who made the comment “will someone please tell this gentleman that we need to move the line” was a 5’5” Negro woman who was quite overweight. The attendant who did the wand exam and the physical pat down was a white male approximately 5’ 9” and appeared to be around 45 years of age. Neither of the security personnel had their ID badges in a position where they could be read or matched to the individual wearing them. All I saw were the backs of the badge holders.
Note c: I was traveling with custom-package frozen foods that were taken from the freezer at the last minute and placed in my carry-on by me (that was where the room was). The packages consisted of 8 packs of frozen elk bratwurst wrapped in plastic, paper and then vacuum-sealed, a 5 lb elk roast wrapped in plastic, paper and vacuum-sealed, a 5 lb package of javalina sausage and a 5 lb package of elk pepperoni sticks (not frozen) vacuum-sealed. The packaging was breached on the roast and both packages of bratwurst due to them "testing posative for nitrates". All of the items were marked clearly with the legend of the packinghouse with address and phone and the words “Elk, wild game, not for resale“. The attendant then informed me that If I didn’t like it I could purchase more bratwurst at a local store when I arrived home. I discarded one package of bratwurst when I arrived home due to thawing and the exposure of the meat to the surrounding environment.
Note d: while I was being personally examined I was not allowed to retrieve my belongings from the end of the X-ray belt, the film canister that had been taken and placed in another’s tub of belongings was nearly discarded before I could get the attendants attention and my goods were gone through by 2 people before I could retrieve them. This included my wallet, keys, spare glasses, Daytimer with checkbook and my carry on bag. The attendant at the X-Ray machine had my Daytimer hand examined. It is a small ring-binder type of book with pockets for various items. Several of the items I was informed that I could not bring on board, a 6 inch Starrett scale, 3 Pentel mechanical pencils and a metal cased pen. After I demonstrated, by disassembly that they were what they seemed and strenuously objected to being parted from them, I was allowed to continue…but not after it was suggested that maybe my Daytimer should be disassembled to “further examine it”.:banghead:
Now I "get" to fly both domestically and overseas about twice a month, I get more hassles in the USA than overseas.
so far the running tally since 9/11/01 is of 179 flights, I've been selected for 121 special screenings, part of the disparity is that on several connecting flights through SFO I can get a terminal to terminal transfer at the base of the arrival gate that bypasses "security" and saves me 20 minutes of walking. I take advantage of it.
I have very very little respect for the TSA screeners, their administration, who basically blew off the hassles I had in Tucson, saying that somehow I must have triggered something. Like it is ALL MY FAULT. BS :banghead: :banghead:
I dont mind traveling overseas at all, in fact last week while transfering flights in Japan, I was selected for addtl screening. VERY courteous, my luggage was CAREFULLY unpacked and examined, the film checked BY HAND (open cans and LOOK AT IT) the camera and lenses checked carefully by hand, the digital camera I was asked to turn on, which I did as well as my laptop. I was wanded and hand searched by professional COURTEOUS folks who even repacked the bag the WAY IT WAS PACKED BEFORE (TSA has NEVER put things back, just yank them all out, unfold the clothes and leave a pile for me to re-assemble...all the while complaining that I am holding up the line.)
Aaron, who thinks that TSA is a waste of my tax dollars, an imposition on my privacy, yet another case of big brother while being populated by the cases who cant get a job ELSEWHERE in private industry or want a position of power over others.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I traveled through Tucson on Feb. 25, at approximately 9:30 AM for an Alaska airlines flight to Seattle that departed at approximately 11:35 AM. I had checked in early as I was returning from a hunting trip and had several firearms to check. The check-in of my luggage and firearms went quite smoothly as I was between flight times. The Alaska personnel were polite and courteous, checked their regulations regarding flying with firearms, asked to examine the arms and the ammunition, had me sign the tag and insert it in my checked bags. No hassles what so ever. After hitting the rest room and purchasing a book for my children I headed to the gate to clear security as the line was not nearly as long as it was when I arrived in Tucson on the 21st or even when I arrived to check in on the 25th. I figured that the time was good for a fast pass without too much hassle. The line consisted of approximately 35-40 people. WRONG. The following page details the objectionable portions of the process.
Tucson trip low points.
- Lack of sufficient personnel at check point.
- Improper and NOT-AS-SPECIFICALLY-REQUESTED examination of exposed film resulting in damage to film. (Note: a)
- RUDE and demeaning treatment and non-professional manner of security staff. (Note: b)
- Improper treatment of packer-sealed foodstuffs. (Note: c)
- Non-secure treatment of personal belongings. (Note: d)
Note a: A hand-carried cartridge of 35mm film was taken from me and rather than hand examined, was placed in ANOTHER PERSON’S tub of belongings and run through the X-Ray machine. It was also repeatedly backed and turned for “re-examination” resulting in fogging and streaks at development. I had it processed at a custom photo lab for the specific purpose of trying to mitigate the damage. The cartridge contained among other things the last pictures of my grandmother before her death. Those photos did not come out well. I repeatedly asked, POLITELY for hand examination of the aforementioned film and a camera containing a partially exposed roll taken on my trip to AZ. That camera was also sent thought the X-Ray machine. It does not appear to have much damage…a few pinpoints on the film. I use high speed film, ASA 800 or higher for most of my photography, which is more susceptible to damage especially with repeated passes through the X-Ray machine.
Note b: I repeatedly asked, POLITELY for hand examination of the aforementioned film and camera. I was ignored and told that there wasn’t time…”I was holding up the line”. It was then announced loudly “will someone please tell this gentleman that we need to move the line”. After finally clearing the walk-through scanner and being pulled aside for a “wand exam-Male”. During the examination, after removing my shoes, belt and ball cap, I was asked to open the fly of my Levi’s (button fly 501s) and then I believe the attendant groped me. His hands were inside my trousers and against my genitals and it sure felt like I was given a squeeze. Upon my objection, I was threatened with a strip search if I didn’t “pipe down and cooperate”. The individual who made the comment “will someone please tell this gentleman that we need to move the line” was a 5’5” Negro woman who was quite overweight. The attendant who did the wand exam and the physical pat down was a white male approximately 5’ 9” and appeared to be around 45 years of age. Neither of the security personnel had their ID badges in a position where they could be read or matched to the individual wearing them. All I saw were the backs of the badge holders.
Note c: I was traveling with custom-package frozen foods that were taken from the freezer at the last minute and placed in my carry-on by me (that was where the room was). The packages consisted of 8 packs of frozen elk bratwurst wrapped in plastic, paper and then vacuum-sealed, a 5 lb elk roast wrapped in plastic, paper and vacuum-sealed, a 5 lb package of javalina sausage and a 5 lb package of elk pepperoni sticks (not frozen) vacuum-sealed. The packaging was breached on the roast and both packages of bratwurst due to them "testing posative for nitrates". All of the items were marked clearly with the legend of the packinghouse with address and phone and the words “Elk, wild game, not for resale“. The attendant then informed me that If I didn’t like it I could purchase more bratwurst at a local store when I arrived home. I discarded one package of bratwurst when I arrived home due to thawing and the exposure of the meat to the surrounding environment.
Note d: while I was being personally examined I was not allowed to retrieve my belongings from the end of the X-ray belt, the film canister that had been taken and placed in another’s tub of belongings was nearly discarded before I could get the attendants attention and my goods were gone through by 2 people before I could retrieve them. This included my wallet, keys, spare glasses, Daytimer with checkbook and my carry on bag. The attendant at the X-Ray machine had my Daytimer hand examined. It is a small ring-binder type of book with pockets for various items. Several of the items I was informed that I could not bring on board, a 6 inch Starrett scale, 3 Pentel mechanical pencils and a metal cased pen. After I demonstrated, by disassembly that they were what they seemed and strenuously objected to being parted from them, I was allowed to continue…but not after it was suggested that maybe my Daytimer should be disassembled to “further examine it”.:banghead:
Now I "get" to fly both domestically and overseas about twice a month, I get more hassles in the USA than overseas.
so far the running tally since 9/11/01 is of 179 flights, I've been selected for 121 special screenings, part of the disparity is that on several connecting flights through SFO I can get a terminal to terminal transfer at the base of the arrival gate that bypasses "security" and saves me 20 minutes of walking. I take advantage of it.
I have very very little respect for the TSA screeners, their administration, who basically blew off the hassles I had in Tucson, saying that somehow I must have triggered something. Like it is ALL MY FAULT. BS
:banghead: :banghead: I dont mind traveling overseas at all, in fact last week while transfering flights in Japan, I was selected for addtl screening. VERY courteous, my luggage was CAREFULLY unpacked and examined, the film checked BY HAND (open cans and LOOK AT IT) the camera and lenses checked carefully by hand, the digital camera I was asked to turn on, which I did as well as my laptop. I was wanded and hand searched by professional COURTEOUS folks who even repacked the bag the WAY IT WAS PACKED BEFORE (TSA has NEVER put things back, just yank them all out, unfold the clothes and leave a pile for me to re-assemble...all the while complaining that I am holding up the line.)
Aaron, who thinks that TSA is a waste of my tax dollars, an imposition on my privacy, yet another case of big brother while being populated by the cases who cant get a job ELSEWHERE in private industry or want a position of power over others.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I quit flying commercial.
It is not worth all the crap you have to put up with. I used to fly to Las Vegas at least once a year to play, vacation where I could get good medical conventions / in services and tried to visit a different part of the world every few years. No longer.
As someone else posted, I don't care if the airlines go bankrupt. I'll just stay home or drive to where I need to be. Giving up constitutionally protected freedoms for an illusion of safety is just stupid.
It is not worth all the crap you have to put up with. I used to fly to Las Vegas at least once a year to play, vacation where I could get good medical conventions / in services and tried to visit a different part of the world every few years. No longer.
As someone else posted, I don't care if the airlines go bankrupt. I'll just stay home or drive to where I need to be. Giving up constitutionally protected freedoms for an illusion of safety is just stupid.
Thread hijack
Depends on the weather and time of year. Right now, everytime it rains we get gulls that come out to feed on the worms that crawl onto the runway. I usually drive out to where they are feeding, shoot a few and then the rest get the hint and leave the airport property. If you use pyrotechnics, they just fly off to another part of the airfield. Basically it can be anywhere from 2-3 times a day to 2-3 times a month, or less.
Now back to our regular schedule of bashing TSA and other gooberment agencies.
Depends on the weather and time of year. Right now, everytime it rains we get gulls that come out to feed on the worms that crawl onto the runway. I usually drive out to where they are feeding, shoot a few and then the rest get the hint and leave the airport property. If you use pyrotechnics, they just fly off to another part of the airfield. Basically it can be anywhere from 2-3 times a day to 2-3 times a month, or less.
Now back to our regular schedule of bashing TSA and other gooberment agencies.
yep, on my return to the US from 10 years in the UK, but the way it went was strange.
the way our trip went was we were routed thrugh Newark & were supposed to have a 4hr layover in newark, but our plane was 3hr's late at taking off from the UK due to engine problems & an additional 4hr's late at arriving in Newark, as a result we had exactly 25 minutes to get through coustoms & INS then to the other side of the airport & through securty again.
Well, Customs & INS took almost 3 hr's & it took another 30 mins to get to the terminal & another 30 mins to get through the security checkpoint (without the "SSSS" BS) & by the time we had gotten to the gate to check in we had not only missed our flight but the last flight of the day to SF (at 6:30 PM mind you), not only that, but they had sent our Luggage & our Dog on the flight we were supposed to be on & "were" going to fine us $800+ for there screwup.
after raising some hell the airline sent us to a Holliday inn at the other side of town (Edwards Holliday Inn) for the night with some vouchers for rooms & food (turned out to be a roach motel & cold immitation chese pizza) the next day we had the "SSSS" crud (same as you described).
then our flight was Moved 5 times & canceled 3 times before finaly taking off over 10hr's late.
last time I ever fly Contenetal....
(Sorry for the partal rant)
Deanimator
Member
I LOATHE Continental. They're arrogant, incompent, stupid and dishonest. I remember them bumping me from a flight, causing us to miss our connection in Denver. This caused us to miss our flight to John Wayne Airport from Denver. Instead they put us on a flight to LA. Then they drove us all over California in the middle of the night in a shuttlebus. We finally arrived at the airport around 4:00am Cleveland time. The ONLY people in the terminal were a couple of Mexican cleaning people. We were able to see our bags behind a steel barrier. We were basically told to get bent when we complained. I have never flown Continental since, and never will. I'd fly Space-A on a North Korean People's Airforce AN-2 Colt before I EVER fly Continental again.
OOH-RAH! to that!
Former Marine
CHP (the VA verison of a CCW--)
Been to Thunder Ranch
Ditto Gunsite
Blah, blah, blah. . . .
One thought, in that handguns--'specially my purty bocote-stocked stainless Colt 1911 carried Condition-1 and OWB-- tend to scare the sheeple, perhaps it would be better if I carried something else that, according to the gubbermint, I am qualified to operate: say, the M249, M2, or the 25mm chaingun? . . .
Ya know? sometimes, bigger is just better.
And I rate the "SSSS?"
(goodfreakingrief) :banghead:
MiG
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TSA sucks. I travel about 3 times per month. Been to communist countries. TSA is = China communists with their rules and guns. Is there a toilet big enough to flush both of these totalitarian threats to freedom?
i have to take a business trip next month to chicago and st louis. i'm not going to shower for a couple days prior, and overall, i'll make sure my hygenie is below average, just in case i get selected.
Aren't you the "special" one?
So that gives you and your fellow workers the right to be extremely rude to me for being a disabled Veteran with several pounds of metal in my body. I dared to walk through YOUR metal detector and set it off. Last time I flew the TSA guy was yelling because I couldn't move fast enough to suit him.
I've got a couple of words for you and your fellow workers, I'm sure you know what they are.
TSA protects us? Thanks for the best laugh of the day.
The airports have become liberty free zones where purchasing a ticket is deemed a waiver of any and all Constitutional protections. You can be strip searched at will, detained without cause and questioned without rights. And the sadest thing of all is it keeps on happening because we let it. We meekly strip down and stand in line waiting for the foreign nationals in TSA uniforms to poke and prod us into submission.
Mark my words, I've come to a boiling point on this business. If I'm ever told to undergo intrusive searching or probing for the "privilege" of interstate travel I'm going to refuse and demand to be arrested and have cause shown for my detention before a federal magistrate. I want to know EXACTLY what their reasonable suspicion is, or EXACTLY where it is that I signed a waiver of my rights in order to simply travel from one state to another. I tell you this, we are being fed a line of BRAVO SIERRA by these jackboots and it's about time we stood up and said NO MORE!
We are way, way beyond the minor patdowns envisioned by Skipwith and other drug cases. They're pulling us aside and essentially raping us with NO WARRANT NO SUSPICION and NO PROBABLE CAUSE.
You can also freely walk away--another right they never bother to inform you of
Gilmore v. Gonzales, 435 F.3d 1125 (9th Cir. 2006). Instead, they strongly imply that any refusal to submit will be grounds for summary arrest and execution. I knock LEO's more than I should. Sometimes unfairly. And I tell you what, if a *REAL* LEO tried to pull the stunts these animals do they'd be out of a job inside of a week. But we've been so conditioned by seeing national guard with M-16's and being told we're a nation at war that we just ASSUME the goons can do whatever they want to us. They can't. And if we all just walked away for even a week the airline industry would suffer such horrific financial damage the TSA would be shut down by Friday and overhauled.
TO HELL WITH TSA
Thanks for the best laugh of the day. The airports have become liberty free zones where purchasing a ticket is deemed a waiver of any and all Constitutional protections. You can be strip searched at will, detained without cause and questioned without rights. And the sadest thing of all is it keeps on happening because we let it. We meekly strip down and stand in line waiting for the foreign nationals in TSA uniforms to poke and prod us into submission.
Mark my words, I've come to a boiling point on this business. If I'm ever told to undergo intrusive searching or probing for the "privilege" of interstate travel I'm going to refuse and demand to be arrested and have cause shown for my detention before a federal magistrate. I want to know EXACTLY what their reasonable suspicion is, or EXACTLY where it is that I signed a waiver of my rights in order to simply travel from one state to another. I tell you this, we are being fed a line of BRAVO SIERRA by these jackboots and it's about time we stood up and said NO MORE!
We are way, way beyond the minor patdowns envisioned by Skipwith and other drug cases. They're pulling us aside and essentially raping us with NO WARRANT NO SUSPICION and NO PROBABLE CAUSE.
You can also freely walk away--another right they never bother to inform you of
Gilmore v. Gonzales, 435 F.3d 1125 (9th Cir. 2006). Instead, they strongly imply that any refusal to submit will be grounds for summary arrest and execution. I knock LEO's more than I should. Sometimes unfairly. And I tell you what, if a *REAL* LEO tried to pull the stunts these animals do they'd be out of a job inside of a week. But we've been so conditioned by seeing national guard with M-16's and being told we're a nation at war that we just ASSUME the goons can do whatever they want to us. They can't. And if we all just walked away for even a week the airline industry would suffer such horrific financial damage the TSA would be shut down by Friday and overhauled.
TO HELL WITH TSA
Cosmoline,
Better wait until we get a new supreme court for that one. The USSC has already ruled in Florida v. JL that you have essentially no privacy rights in places where you can expect a reduced right of privacy "such as airports and schools".
I would imagine that airports, schools, stadiums and arenas are now fourth amendment free zones as long as the search is for weapons and explosives.
Jeff
Better wait until we get a new supreme court for that one. The USSC has already ruled in Florida v. JL that you have essentially no privacy rights in places where you can expect a reduced right of privacy "such as airports and schools".
I would imagine that airports, schools, stadiums and arenas are now fourth amendment free zones as long as the search is for weapons and explosives.
Jeff
You're probably right about that, but there is at least the remaining option of leaving the airports. The courts are still viewing all the crap that happens to us in there as something we have CONSENTED to, amazingly enough. But there is that one last option of turning around and leaving. The only way to make a change is to hit the airlines in the pocket books and force them to pull their strings in DC. With fuel prices spiking it wouldn't even take that many people to have a huge impact.
Of course, I can't guarantee that TSA jackboots won't tackle you or kill you if you try to leave. But at least you'll die with your boots on as an American.
Of course, I can't guarantee that TSA jackboots won't tackle you or kill you if you try to leave. But at least you'll die with your boots on as an American.
cosmo, i agree with your sentiment and position. however, those airlines will need more than boycotts to move them to put pressure on DC.
let me tell you why. my landlord was planning a trip back to minnesota for a family reunion. he calls one of the airlines and gets quoted a price, r/t $328. then he realizes he didnt tell them what dates. the simple moving of the dates a month out, puts him in tourist season. the same flight on the same airline, for one month farther out than they quoted, is now $758.
even if you could convince half of those flying to stop for the next 6 months, those airlines will still be making money hand over fist. however, they will be sure to report losses to projected earnings and claim to be in the poor house.
i have a better idea, riskier though. the TSA checkpoints we are discussing are not isolated from secure passenger areas. protests could be held there, demonstrations, calling attention to the abuses of power the TSA is guilty of.
let me tell you why. my landlord was planning a trip back to minnesota for a family reunion. he calls one of the airlines and gets quoted a price, r/t $328. then he realizes he didnt tell them what dates. the simple moving of the dates a month out, puts him in tourist season. the same flight on the same airline, for one month farther out than they quoted, is now $758.
even if you could convince half of those flying to stop for the next 6 months, those airlines will still be making money hand over fist. however, they will be sure to report losses to projected earnings and claim to be in the poor house.
i have a better idea, riskier though. the TSA checkpoints we are discussing are not isolated from secure passenger areas. protests could be held there, demonstrations, calling attention to the abuses of power the TSA is guilty of.
Spiff--unfortunately the airports are also free from the confines of the First Amendment. That's why you don't see religious groups handing fliers out there anymore like you did back in the 70's.
NukemJim, that was my token bit to placate the pinkos. Prefrags would be preferred for that, but if it happens and I'm in the carrier roster, I'm sticking with my .45ACP Hydra-Shoks. (It said "encourage", not "mandate", right?)
Spiff, try it and you'll probably find jackboot up your afterburner can faster than you can say, "oh, sh....."
The "Where else ya gonna go? Amtrak? Greyhound?" effect doesn't help either. Forget Big Oil, it's time to investigate Big Air and their TSA pals. Someone out there got Ron Paul on speed-dial?
Spiff, try it and you'll probably find jackboot up your afterburner can faster than you can say, "oh, sh....."
The "Where else ya gonna go? Amtrak? Greyhound?" effect doesn't help either. Forget Big Oil, it's time to investigate Big Air and their TSA pals. Someone out there got Ron Paul on speed-dial?
By the time we cross that particular line in the sand, it'll be no use to try the soap, jury, or ballot boxes.
I've been away from the board for a couple of days;sitting and reading the post to see what people said about TSA. My one main concern is this: If you feel that there is a problem with procedures that go on at the airport security checkpoint, then call your local congressman, ombudsman, or alderman. See if they'll make a change. I certainly don't believe that mine or your congressman is doing anything that'll benefit us anyway. They implent mundane laws. To make matters worse they really DO NOT care about your feelings. Your worried about people groping you in ways your don't like, thats procedure. I don't know how to say it,but all you good for nothings asses need to grow up and go with the flow. Peace
Frankly, I agree with you people about how you feel about TSA and their procedures. But because I work their I understand that I am their for a reason. I'm their because I felt a need to work for a better cause and at the time TSA was that better cause. But TSA has changed, and has become totally different, thats why I defend what I do. I don't defend those that work at TSA, I'm here to defend myself. And to those who care about how my grammar is in any of these post,because I have read them for the past couple of days,kiss my a$$.
adams02, Thanks for proving all the harsh words for you and your cronies were right on. Most of us won't ever go with your flow, and we will see the end of TSA before we see the end of our outrage.
tanksoldier
Member
And there we see the problem. The founding fathers didn't create a country where people went with the flow. They created a country where people are supposed to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. A search which does absolutely NOTHING to provide any sort of security or protection to the flying public certainly seems unreasonable to me.
As for being a good-for-nothing, I'm a medically retired Soldier with 15 years of service to this country and two combat tours in the sandbox. What have YOU done except stand around, wasting people's time and tax money not catching anyone or anything?
<<I don't know how to say it,but all you good for nothings asses need to grow up and go with the flow>>
As for being a good-for-nothing, I'm a medically retired Soldier with 15 years of service to this country and two combat tours in the sandbox. What have YOU done except stand around, wasting people's time and tax money not catching anyone or anything?
<<I don't know how to say it,but all you good for nothings asses need to grow up and go with the flow>>
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