UK Handgun Ownership/Carry

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I understand that with the right connections, people can carry handguns in Canada and Australia. I also understand there are quite a few carry permits in Northern Ireland.

Is it possible for people such as judges, politicians, wealthy in the rest of the UK to own a handgun for protection and also carry it? Does this happen to some degree?
 
I'm not sure, but I think they would have to be very well connected. Most police officers in the UK don't carry a firearm while on duty.
 
What about security services, armored car drivers, etc?

Even in the draconian land of Illinois, armored car drivers and other types of security people can carry a firearm while working.
 
Because they are not licensed security or armored car drivers or connected politicians
They tore down the Olympic shooting venue (or were supposed to) after the Olympics because it was for shooting.
 
I have not been to Grt. Britian for 15 years. Back at that time my feelings were the general population in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland were antigun. Yes there were some progun people but I met very few. I got so Damn tired being ask why America did a poor job of gun control. They also asked why we lusted after "Blood Sports" Hunting.

The Republic Of Ireland seemed to be more gun friendly. I visited some gun shops and visited with hunters and shooters. Canada is very antigun I found Canada to be a Police state with the issue of firearms. Austraila outlawed most of the arms like semiautos handguns etc. The citizens marched down and surrendered their firearms without a wimper. The Government of Austraila cut these arms up for scrap. There were no Crocodile Dundees at that party.:uhoh:
 
G'day Kid , if i may

there where lots of dundee's as you call em , Patriots is what the rest of reality uses , from ranging from your own "professor wonderful" from disney , moved to Oz in the late 70's , was my teacher in physics here

when the gun grabber came at 4 am he refused , and was carted away , 9 days later they charged his wife and kids as accessories so he handed it over

good mate of mine Rodney Ansell , ( he's the guy in real life they based Croc dundee's character on , fact , google it ) shot once in the back and again in the side by police , we had hundreds of thousands in the streets here

260,000 folks made criminal , maybe 15,000 locked up , 15 year olds who found a air rifle and traded it for a bike , busted weapons dealing , 5 years

when they lock up your kids dont you dare give in eh ..

since then we've been fighting back , warrentless search and seazures ended a recent win see no licence or registration for most BP weapons that predate 1900

there are now more gun here that when they took em

we have more shooters rights here in many ways than what i see you all going through

i shot 90 something deer this year , how'd you do ?

( a fair few hundred foxes and roo's as well but thats what i do )

we've recently gotten shooters ( pretty much anyone who wants ) as feral animal controllers in our national parks

yes we cant have AK's or AR's , but specialist shooters who cant prove requirments can buy mini 14's and other semi's

as for hand guns yes they are hard and theres limits , i own my limit

and a fair few more in the US that i'm working on getting back here too

the UN gun control cost a lot of good folks their lives , some gunned down on their door steps in front of their family

most called up to the boss's office at work and arrested by the awaiting cops or pulled over in thick traffic while driving alone

i was in cambodia when i went down and thankfully got many semi's out with the help of a ex marine mate in FL , who i sold my collection to on agreement i get first offer if he resells ;) i've 1/4 of it back over the years

you may think aussies are wimps and all that you infer but mate

its a tough man who can see his wife and kids locked up in the holes we have here for his right to stand on his principles or get shot in the back while talking to the media

now that the US is looking to adopt all the UN policies and throw our the constitution we'll get to see how you folks all do in the next few years

and though i'm 55 now i'll get to see it real close as i promised some mates i'd come over and help fight back , save you folks from what went on here

but you can scale it to US proportions if you wish

200 millions guns say

300 million folks

they dont grab you they grab your family when they go to the store
say 20 million in fema camps for a few years .. ( we had almost enough gaols here then , you dont ) get you to surrender ,

make you the bad guy and anyone who may know where you be is a accessory , look how the UN works , it wont be blue helmets it'll be your cops

it wont be over night , it'll start with buy backs and such then some terrible things will happen and kneee jerk laws you'll have to submit too , then they'll play the AR folks off against the hand gunners and folks will devide to protect their interest shotgunners will be targeted hard as legitimate but threatened if they dont go anti semi auto

how do i know this ?

that how it went in the UK and Australia

Big bold speakers divided opinion and folks stance so they created little self interest groups that could be picked off by the anti gun lobby and government

sounds like the USA at the moment eh ?

;)

you got a marxist in charge of the place . lies deception are everyday things to them , to find the truth find what they dodge to answer..

keep what your founding fathers gave you , and keep it safe , never trade a section of it for anything , you'll lose the lot if you do

and remember we never had that , we started as a penal colony and if i may remind you of some factual history

when Australian freemen and convicts both wish to rebel and sent money to the new USA to buy guns ( 15200 USD in gold then ) , you decided not to upset the british some more and kept our funds , told the brits what we had planned and vinegar hill was a flop and all the participants even those only armed with sticks , locked up in chains again for life

as you where reworking sea routes and whaling was way more important to the US economy that a colony of slaves of the british , brits offered you berthing in fremantle and melborne in Australia , while they ran the joint , so thats the way the deal went

we dont hold grudges and have with the USA the world longest and continuous military agreement in the world

if we're such wimps , why do you always call upon us to help and why do we always rock up ?

cheers folks
 
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i'll add why was not this reported ?

i ask how did two tin pot aussie news papers owned by murdoch and packer get so big so fast ? oh UN funding development loans to help spread free speech in far away places like the USA , how that for a pay off ? now you see the results in the lack of spine in your own media , they are owned and have been for years folks

and yes that started here and between them murdock and packer own 82% of the US media companies ..

and they are loyal to the UN ..

hope you dont have to get used to it like we did .. bloody hard fight back

next we get our rights to use em back ..

castle doctrine if you will..

but thats all UN , and they dont see it our way , so maybe we gotta start thinking getting rid of the UN

maybe you folks there should too ;)

cheers
 
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Jack404,
I met some Aussies in Iraq in '05, and landed in Darwin in '03. The Austrailians are some of the most fantastic folks I have ever had the pleasure to meet. Thanks for the insight on how things went down, well, down under. It gives me some things to consider for the future of gun rights here in the US.

You Aussies are no wimps. You guys are some if the toughest SOB's on the planet. And kind enough to give a thirsty GI a beer from their daily rations.
 
Jack, there are a lot of us in the US that see the history of Australia and the UK, and see it becoming a reality here. Some talk of pushing back using civil disobedience all the way to civil war to prevent us from becoming the "next" in line. I agree with you, it will be just like the other things they have gotten past us. A little bit at a time, and knee jerk reactions to a few really bad, bloody incidents. We've had a few...Waco, Ruby Ridge.....where the govt got heavy handed enforcing "the law"
 
No, you can't carry a gun for protection in the UK. To be fair though, the whole UK has fewer murders than Chicago or Detroit.

The only reason you can give to own a handgun is for humane dispatch of injured animals (no, burglars don't count), but as a rule you have to be in a career that warrants this i.e, professional deerstalker, gamekeeper or veterinary surgeon. I know a few people with pistols, but they tend to keep pretty quiet about it.

Cap and ball revolvers and muzzleloading pistols can be owned if you hold a FAC (firearms certificate- gun licence) and are very popular for recreational shooting.
 
Originally coming from the UK and owning shotguns over there perhaps I can shed some light on things:

Thing I last read was that there are ~3,000 legally held handguns in the UK

You can get a certificate for a handgun basically for the following (This applies to England, Scotland and Wales. NI you can still legally own a gun for recreational use and NI has a different firearms set up to the rest of the UK).

Some private security (These guys tend to be ex-military)
Personal protection (This tends to be former military or civil servants, often who had things to do with Northern Ireland)
Humane dispatch - For those who do a lot hunting (often professional guides) or slaughtermen (often have restricted capacity)

In all cases you need to convince the police that you have good reason to own it before they issue a certificate.

Kind regards,

Scrummy
 
Jack, can you dispel a rumor. I have heard that some U.S. troops were involved with the confiscations of firearms in Australia. Was it true or not.
Thanks
 
The only chance you have in Canada to carry is a wilderness carry permit.
This is mostly issued to trappers and loggers who are working in the wilderness and may encounter bears or other predators.
They are typically large caliber revolvers.
The license only permits you to carry in the prescribed environment while working.
When you are in your vehicle or outside the perscribed wilderness area the gun must be trigger locked and locked in an opaque container.
You will also be given a permit to transport from your wildermess area to your home.
This permit doesn't allow you to carry any way you want anywhere you want.
The offence for not following the rules and regulations will get you a 3 year all expenses paid vacation courtesy of the federal government.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm
 
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To be fair though, the whole UK has fewer murders than Chicago or Detroit.

Er, no it doesn't.

Homicides reported in Detroit in 2011: 173
Homicides reported in Chicago in 2011: 423
Homicides reported in England in f.y. 2010/2011: 636

Hyperbole is fun, but it doesn't help us here.
 
UK crime statistics have lost much of their relevance to anything since home office ordered police precincts not to publish any data. The official figures are doctored and censored for political purposes.

I did quite a bit of research on the subject a few years ago, for an article that was later submitted to finnish parliament. In late 90's police precincts were already pressured to omit much of actual homicide data from their statistics and after the home office took monopoly in publishing it, numbers have had very little to do with reality. Their grounds for omitting incidents from official statistics are creative and vague at best - double and triple murders with no suspect and no conviction = not a homicide, collateral death by stray bullets during a drive-by shooting = not a homicide. The list is endless.

British officials are lying through their teeth to prove that their half-a$$ed legislative "solutions" to prevent crime work.

Curiously, CCW was legalized in Estonia a few years ago and that's one of the very few european countries where crime rate has been in constant decline ever since.
 
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Sorry, Sam, but flat murder numbers show nothing (as the population of Detroit is 713,000, and the U.K. is 62 million). You need to look at population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
U.K. murder rate per 100,000 people: 1.2
U.S. murder rate: 4.2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
Detroit: 34.5 (4th in nation)
Chicago: 15.2 (18th in the nation).

Yeah, you're far more likely to get murdered in Detroit or Chicago (or virtually any city with more than 200,000 people in the U.S.) than in the U.K.

HQ: do you have any sources to back that up? Nationwide fraud is a serious allegation.
 
Sorry, Sam, but flat murder numbers show nothing (as the population of Detroit is 713,000, and the U.K. is 62 million). You need to look at population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
U.K. murder rate per 100,000 people: 1.2
U.S. murder rate: 4.2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
Detroit: 34.5 (4th in nation)
Chicago: 15.2 (18th in the nation).

Yeah, you're far more likely to get murdered in Detroit or Chicago (or virtually any city with more than 200,000 people in the U.S.) than in the U.K.

HQ: do you have any sources to back that up? Nationwide fraud is a serious allegation.
Maybe re-read post #17.
 
Anyone pro- or anti-gun can point to countries with low or high levels of gun rights and their respective crime rates and say "see, they have 'better' gun laws, and they have less crime than us."

The real fact is that the OCCURANCE of violent crime in general has no direct correlation to do with who is and isn't allowed to carry a gun, and everything to do with the culture of the nation. Case in point: guns get banned in UK, gun murders go down, knife murders go up, resulting in about the same amount of murders overall. So gun bans stopped *SOME* gun crime, but really did nothing to address the true problem - murders. It's just that some people got a gun illegally anyway, and others just decided to use a knife.
 
Jack, if they try that here with the UN crap, there would be civil disobedience that you would not believe...
 
homicides per hundred thousand pop. per year

The city of El Paso Texas 2010 had a murder rate of 0.8 and Vermont known as a lax gun law state often dips below the reported UK rate of 1.2.
 
Sorry, Sam, but flat murder numbers show nothing (as the population of Detroit is 713,000, and the U.K. is 62 million). You need to look at population.
Of course, but that's not what was claimed.
 
The real fact is that the OCCURANCE of violent crime in general has no direct correlation to do with who is and isn't allowed to carry a gun, and everything to do with the culture of the nation.

That's the rub of the matter. Guns have very little to do with it, other than the relative ease with which some killings can happen with firearms compared to other weapons.
 
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