UK Riots...

[DeMilled]

During the L.A. riots, over that whole Rodney King fiasco, the only business not burnt
was the one with store owners protecting their stores by shooting the rioters who wanted to burn it to the ground.

If many other store owners had also shot the rioters many other stores
would not have been burnt.

Armed citizens running around in the crowd would not be good.
Armed citizens standing their ground and protecting property from rioters
who want to burn buildings would be good.

 

[bpsig]

looks like the flash mob atacks in usa are a test run to see how it will work. Look at the fairgrounds in wisconsin. across millwauk parks group attacks kids adults etc. seems coordinated anarchy ideals at work. After 3-4 days like london will have Martial law. Except here in usa lotsa rounds will be fired and then pc crowd will be looking to prosecute you. But yes when cash crashes this will be a picnic.

 

[whalerman]

There were many reports in this country of citizens successfully defending their homes and property with firearms during recent riots and lawlessness. It is far preferable to be able to defend yourself than not. Let's not be foolish and pretend the situations are the same. Not for me they're not.

 

[DeMilled]

What is soo different, whalerman?

 

[HavelockLEO]

An armed Englishman?

Clutch youre talking about a country that disarmed its citizens for thier own protection, then when a firearm is used for protection, as in the case of a farmer over there afew years ago, he's (the farmer) is sent to prison for using his shotgun to protect his family, then is sued by the burgalar in court for the injuries he sustained in the commission of the crime as well as the emotional anguish and WINS
I dont see the Brits EVER getting the right to own a firearm back.
But thats just my jaded outlook on the subject.

 

[clutch]

I know about what you are speaking of. Maybe this will cause a culture change.


Clutch

 

[pbearperry]

Those darn Norweigans.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

It's funny how the constituents of the gun grabbers are the ones causing the mayhem in the US. Are they hoping more violence will lead to more anti-gun-rights laws? Are the riots in London designed to make it more difficult for Brits to arm themselves? To me, it seems to be nothing more than acts of desperation on the part of those who need us disarmed to advance their Marxist, Fascist, Nazi and Sharia Law agendas.

Woody

"Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future." B.E.Wood

 

[CWL]

At this point, sales have risen to over 6,500%.

And buyers are definitely looter-defense oriented, with Amazon.uk reviewers posting things such as:

"This bat is perfectly weighted and will suit any UK shop-owner looking to protect their property," reviewer Harry Fish wrote about the suddenly popular Rucanor bat. "Thanks to the ergonomic handle, one easy swing should be enough to shatter patellas, skulls or any other bone on your targeted looter."

"Ordered 2, one for home & one for the shop,"

"Now lets see the idiots try & loot our shop."

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Let's keep politics out of this, OK?

I dont see the Brits EVER getting the right to own a firearm back.

Not quite accurate. The Brits are highly regulated, but they can own firearms of certain types. IIRC, no centerfire semi-automatics, no concealable handguns.

My bet is, there are lots of old fowling pieces being kept close by in the UK right now.

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

If we are keeping politics out of it then why is this thread even still here?
I don't really see how this thread is relevant to guns tbh. Riots occur in cities where there are guns or aren't guns. Its not like the population is going to rise up like a militia and quell the rioters, yet people seem to imagine something along these lines when they ponder these mob situatio

 

[hirundo82]

They're apparently buying what they can to protect themselves and their homes. This link shows a dramatic increase in orders of certain kinds of sporting equipment from Amazon UK. For some reason I don't think there has been a sudden baseball craze sweeping the UK.

 

[Mike1234567]

They're apparently buying what they can to protect themselves and their homes. This link shows a dramatic increase in orders of certain kinds of sporting equipment from Amazon UK. For some reason I don't think there has been a sudden baseball craze sweeping the UK.

Such a lust for baseball.... just isn't cricket. What's wrong with them Brits?

 

[84B20]

Bill O'Reilly of the Factor on Fox brought up the subject of firearms in London. He indicated that shop owners in the US because of the 2nd Amendment could have firearms the those that don’t would be “in big trouble” like those shop owners in the UK. Finally, the subject was broached.

 

[Heretic]

Those brits didn't fight for their guns when they had the chance, I say they deserve what they get!

 

[Hocka Louis]

Tex and Cal-gun;
I am not worth less than someone else and most of the readers here are worth a whole lot more than the badguys. Easy to make an example of them in your own defense, a right Americans, but not britons, have. There the police, businesses and civilians are at the mercy of the violent crowd. Damned shame. Bloody the bully's nose and he loses his friends and runs away. The crowd can be loudly reminded that there are individual repurcussions and very personal penalties for acting out, man to man. And the defense favors us.

1977 NYC blackout, with its rioting and looting? My brother-in-law sat on his roof with an M1.

Rodney King? Browning Hi-Power and spare mag in the shoulder holster under my suit jacket for the drive home to the 12 ga. with BB shot and a shiny new 18-1/2" riot barrel.

An armed society is a polite society. Most here will not lay down nor be knocked down without a fight to be victims I suspect. Two words: Reginald Denny!

 

[ridgerunner1965]

what a lot of people dont realize, and im not making light of any of the other posters at all! is that this country has only been civilized for close to 300 years.we are genetically predisposed to do what we want.we want to protect our freedoms, we want to protect the fruits of our labors from others who didnt labor for them.we believe in the constituion and will fight to uphold it as our forefathers did.i beleive it takes 500 to 700 years to completely breed that out of a population.case in point, most of europe.

 

[22-rimfire]

Let's not kid ourselves here. A baseball bat is not going to "cut it" in a situation where police in full riot gear has to retreat.

BUT the police would not come out swinging as a private citizen might with his life threatened either. The police are peace keepers and trying to control the chaos.

 

[Strykervet]

I thought they liked cricket bats over there.

The American baseball bat is the most technlogically advanced club on Earth. You can only make it more dangerous by sticking a nail in the end or filling it with lead.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Larry,

We can engage in the politics now or on the battlefield later. One or the other is inevitable, but the former might just cost fewer lives, or at the least expose enemies.

Woody

 

[wrs840]

C'mon guys, this thread IS veering very much back to ON-THR topic. If it was your shop being burned and looted, I bet you'd be all in with being able to "fight back". But in an urban riot, things get blurry... with LE and a mob all around, if you start shooting you're almost certainly to be perceived as a perp/threat by LE and also likely later by the courts as they sort out your motives/intentions. If this lawlessness comes to YOUR stuff being burned and looted during an urban riot fully engaged, and you have any intentions of bringing a firearm into the mix, regardless of how justified, there are some serious issues that have to be thought through here...

 

[Shadow 7D]

Gees folks, step back slowly from the brink

Listen a gun is a tool, and can be used more and less effectively
So, running nilly willy with a gun, won't work here
A riot crowd is as likely to call you bluff as to just simply take you down form behind
blend in, get where you need to be, bunker down, and protect your turf.

as for this riot, well I don't think they would be as likely to do the property damage if every homeowner on the street was out with a shotgun and a sign

"NOT THIS WAY"
police be damned (and otherwise entertained elsewhere, like the banks)
Rioters don't like dieing, hummm

 

[Fishslayer]

I remember the RK riot well...........................I'm young, but not that young

I remember the Watts riots of '65. My friend's family had loaded rifles & shotguns behind every door.

I lived in El Segundo at the time.

 

[84B20]

Gees folks, step back slowly from the brink

Listen a gun is a tool, and can be used more and less effectively. So, running nilly willy with a gun, won't work here. A riot crowd is as likely to call you bluff as to just simply take you down from behind blend in, get where you need to be, bunker down, and protect your turf as for this riot, well I don't think they would be as likely to do the property damage if every homeowner on the street was out with a shotgun and a sign..

"NOT THIS WAY"
police be damned (and otherwise entertained elsewhere, like the banks)
Rioters don't like dieing, hummm

This is exactly right. You are not justified being a vigilante. You can only use a firearm to defend yourself, others, or possibly property, depending on what your state or local law dictate.

I know from personal experience how dangerous a riot can be. During the Watts Riots I helped defend a friend's restaurant. Fortunately the crowds stayed away. Later in life I covered a couple other riots in LA as a news photographer. Now those were scary times.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

The UK is suffering from many of the same social patholgies as the USA-a 40% illegitimacy rate which, to quote George Will, produces " a continually renewed cohort of unruly adolescent males", too many living on the Dole, as they say-"breeding to get on the Social" is how they put it.