Unwilling to pull the trigger.

[Officers'Wife]

My mind tells me that it would depend on situation and terrain. I was raised around livestock sir. I know from experience that an animal attack is always the result of the one attacked doing something stupid. I also know that in the case of an animal attack, those who attempt to help often do more harm than good.

I speak from almost seven years of experience dealing with cattle, swine, American Bison, coyotes and on a few occasions, 'painters.'

When you tell me your qualifications on animal pyschology then and only then will I allow you a personal attack on my thought processes. You see sir, another thing about growing up on a farm is you learn to smell bovine animal by-product a mile away.

Selena

 

[Lewis68]

My mind tells me that it would depend on situation and terrain. I was raised around livestock sir. I know from experience that an animal attack is always the result of the one attacked doing something stupid. I also know that in the case of an animal attack, those who attempt to help often do more harm than good.

I speak from almost seven years of experience dealing with cattle, swine, American Bison, coyotes and on a few occasions, 'painters.'

When you tell me your qualifications on animal pyschology then and only then will I allow you a person attack on my thought processes. You see sir, another thing about growing up on a farm is you learn to smell bovine animal by-product a mile away.

Ok, let me rephrase the question:

"If someone was about to be attacked by a Bear (or any animal), and someone else knew it was about to happen and had the power to stop it, but didn't, would they be partly responsible for the attack occuring?"

 

[Officers'Wife]

had the power to stop it (without getting hurt themsevles), but didn't, would they be partly responsible for the attack occuring?"

No, read the part when there is an animal attack it's usually because the so-called victim has done something very stupid. In the case of child it is the parent's responsibility and if they are unwilling or unable to fullfill that duty once again it's an act of stupidity.

In the real world, stupidity is a capital crime. You may now display your lack of knowledge by calling me 'inhumane', 'mean-spirited" and all the other slurs the out of touch use.

Good day sir, I do not care to play your little game any more.

Selena

 

[alaskanativeson]

Ladies and Gentlemen, this board is supposed to be taking the High Road on discussions, that is especially important on philosophical ones. If someone insists on juvenile actions in a discussion just walk away. The mods will take care of it. We should believe in fairness and civility. I'm trying hard to avoid making a comment about doing a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent because it wouldn't be right.

 

[rino451]

Some people feel not being a victim is akin to being a predator.
That is often a stance seen by the antis.

Not wanting to pull a trigger is fine. I mean I myself would question the compassion of a woman that would be the mother of my children if she was almost eager to pull the trigger on a bad guy.
"Unwilling" to pull it is different. There should naturaly be more hesitation in a woman though.

One of the general differences between men and women is woman are less inclined to violence.
A girl inclined to violence would not be normal and may have some underlying issues, but a boy inclined to violence is just a boy being a boy sometimes. A boy is often rough, they play fight, and they enjoy it.
A girl usualy does not, but often enjoys pretend nurturing activities. These are very important natural things conditioning for later roles. Men are naturaly protectors and even needed as aggressors by society.
Women are mothers that will raise and nurture children, having to intimately care for them and instill compassion and love.
The two have some overlap, but they also have some great general differences that are important for balance.


A woman should be prepared and ready to defend herself, but if you turn a woman's mindset into that of a man's you would have done a disservice to the natural balance.
The perfect defensive mindset for a woman is not to just develop the mindset of a man, which is what many men seem inclined to try and do.

Question is then, would she have killed the assailant to prevent what happened to her from happening to her daughter? In nature, "mothers" can be as or more violent when called upon than the male of the species.

BTW, I have met someone who said the same thing - that it's not her place to kill another human being, that their life is not hers to take. That this applies to the perp and that the perp will take her's doesn't change that fact. Kinda like because a terrorist, will behead US civillians, doesn't make it right for us to torture terrorists. (Not my belief necessarily, but that's the general concensus.)

 

[Lewis68]

No, read the part when there is an animal attack it's usually because the so-called victim has done something very stupid.

So if the victim did something wrong (very stupid), your answer is "No"?

What if the victim did nothing wrong. Is your answer still "No"?

 

[Officers'Wife]

Hi alaskanativeson,

Point taken, in my defense however, this person was practically begging to be abused. It would be impolite not to indulge him.

Selena

 

[Lewis68]

Ladies and Gentlemen, this board is supposed to be taking the High Road on discussions, that is especially important on philosophical ones. If someone insists on juvenile actions in a discussion just walk away. The mods will take care of it. We should believe in fairness and civility. I'm trying hard to avoid making a comment about doing a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent because it wouldn't be right.

Is asking questions considered "juvenile actions"?

 

[Officers'Wife]

What if the victim did nothing wrong. Is your answer still "No"?

I see, when it's my answer conditions are irrelevent. When you don't get the answer you want conditions apply.

Das balarev tovarich, welcome to my ignore file.

Selena

 

[springmom]

Don't feed the troll and it'll go away.

Springmom

 

[bloodedsky]

Zoogster--

***???????????

Have you heard of the Amazons?

Have you actually spoken to a live woman yourself?

Do you know any live women yourself?

That post of yours now stands as the stupidest b***sh** I have ever read on THR. I'm assuming that any female partner of yours awakens each morning, happily dons her apron, and spends the better part of her day baking cookies and tending to domestic duties with a maniacal smile on her face all the while. One assumes that, during her lunch hour, she fantasizes about how "naturaly [sic] hesitant" she is to shoot an intruder.

 

[Lewis68]

Selena, I'm just trying to understand your opinion.

You are the one who mentioned if the victim did something "very stupid".

If the victim did nothing wrong (stupid) would your answer still be "No"?

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Train the heart, Train the mind, Train the body.

In what ever order you want.
But, if the heart is in the wrong place, so is the rest of you.

As to the condition of her heart or spirit, who could really know? I can only speculate, ponder, guesstimate.

In this horrible situation presented, the blame lies with the rapist scumbag.

The victim has every right to assign blame to herself, because that is her right to do so if she deems it. I certainly don't blame her, nor would I expect her to blame herself. I can only hope she will try and take better care of herself.

I feel sorry for her though.

I could blame no one else but myself, for not intervening, or obviously the perp, but not a lookers-on, so long as they were not in collusion with the act.

But for one to break their oath of service to others, I would at the very least expect that one would be justly removed from service.

 

[Officers'Wife]

Selena, I'm just trying to understand your opinion.

You would be unable to understand my opinion as you appear to have no roots in the real world. I learned my lesson trying to teach my horse arithemetic when I was 13, I have no more time to waste on such pursuits.

Selena

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Lewis68,

Nothing wrong with asking questions.

Who do you blame?

 

[Lewis68]

Honestly, I don't understand why my question is so difficult for some to answer. It goes directly to the point of this thread. Does the person with the power to stop an attack, but refuses, share some of the responsibilty for the attack?

Funny how the people who cannot (will not) answer the question, commented to me after the question was asked. Did they not think I would ask them too. Also funny how nobody has asked me the same question.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Lewis, Does the person with the power to stop an attack, but refuses, share some of the responsibilty for the attack?

 

[Lewis68]

Nothing wrong with asking questions.

You might want to tell that to SpringMom and Officers'Wife.

 

[bogie]

Guys, everyone take a chill pill...

Can we agree about a few things?

Social conditioning DOES exist, right? If someone grows up in an atmosphere where self-defense is not even thought about, one cannot really be all the surprised when they lock up when faced with that sort of situation.

Likewise, training does not solve everything - Look at the folks in the miltary who, despite intensive "kill the enemy" training, cannot do it. You don't know if you can shoot until you NEED to shoot.

One cannot buy mindset at the local tactiporium either...

Now, can we play nice-nice?

 

[Officers'Wife]

Lewis,

I have answered your question. You did not like the answer. So, you ask it again. So, one last time, that is a complex question that does not lend itself to a simple answer. There are just far too many variables. By and large the answer would be no. Again, when you have a working knowledge of animal psychology talk to me. Until then, settle for the answer it would depend on the circumstnaces you cannot imagine and move on.

Selena

 

[Officers'Wife]

Lewis,

That is correct, there is nothing wrong with asking questions. However, when you keep asking in hopes of the answer you want that is childish and rude. So, do not attempt to tell me anything until you have learned to behave like an adult.

Selena

 

[Lewis68]

Lewis, Does the person with the power to stop an attack, but refuses, share some of the responsibilty for the attack?

Yes, absolutely! They both share some of the responsibility for the attack occuring. In this case, it's the assailant's fault for doing the attacking, and the victim's fault for not doing the stopping. They are both at fault for the attack occuring, because both of their choices contributed to it happening.

Who is right, wrong, good or evil is another question entirely, that I'm sure everyone on this board would agree on.

 

[Lewis68]

Officers'Wife: Does the person with the power to stop an attack, but refuses, share some of the responsibilty for the attack?

 

[Officers'Wife]

Lewis,

Have you ever been attacked by human or animal?

 

[Lewis68]

Officers'Wife: I take that as a refuse to answer.