VirginiaTech student with CCW questions

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two words: copy. cat.

if i were a college student again today, u can bet yer sweet bippy i'd weigh about 1.5 pounds of steel, lead, and poly heavier today, regardless of policy.
 
For the original poster: I know campus is closed today but I was wondering if they are going to increase security? Are they re-evaluating their policies in regards to carry? (I am assuming making harsher penalties for weapons on campus) Are they installing metal detectors? What about training the police for active shooter scenarios?

My condolences to all who lost someone and all who were lost.
 
if i were a college student again today, u can bet yer sweet bippy i'd weigh about 1.5 pounds of steel, lead, and poly heavier today, regardless of policy.
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two words: right! on!

these incidents can go in streaks and there may be another wacko out there, maybe on another campus someplace, thinking NOW is the time.

Hey Speed - leave the knee-jerk reactions to the less logical lefties in this country. Get some distance from this incident and think through your decision to carry. Carrying a gun is a HUGE responsibility at any age. You'd be committing to a lifestyle that may or may not be for you.

As a gunowner, CCW holder and someone who strongly supports the 2nd in no uncertain terms, I'd like nothing more than to add you to our ranks. But, unlike the left, I will not use tragedy to advance OUR agenda and recruit new members to our cause, now is not the time for that nonsense.

For the time being, look to your friends and classmates, support each other and be thankful you can go home to your family at the end of this semester.

Other opinions may vary, but that is my advice to you for the moment.

Be well, be thankful and stay safe!
 
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?

Hey there, I turned 21 a couple months ago and got my CCW permit just a month ago. I currently attend the University of Minnesota where they do not allow me to carry. So I end up leaving my carry piece in my car every day.

1. How often do I use it? Every day. My handgun follows me everywhere. The only place where the gun is not in easy reach of myself is when I'm on campus.
2. I have never been asked to leave the premises of a business.
3. I'll leave that to everyone else.
4. I daily carry my Sig-Sauer P239 SAS.
 
my sig line

take note of my sig line, I carried before ccl, with that in mind I try to obay laws and respestfully don't shop at posted buisnesses.
 
To clarify: Virginia state law specifically prohibits

carrying a handgun onto campus except a CCW in a car for ingress/egress:

§18.2-308.1: Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school property prohibited. Exemptions to this statute include a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school.

Violation is a felony.
 
§18.2-308.1: Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school property prohibited. Exemptions to this statute include a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school.

Violation is a felony.
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If you actually read the text of the law, "school" is defined "the property of any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds." It does not include colleges and universities. Prohibition in those places is a matter of policy not law.

Oh and like several others, I can't legally carry at work. I work on an Army base in a federal building, so carrying a weapon without express permission is a felony.
 
Presently, listening to the Glen Beck radio show, the sub. announcer, Denny Schaeffer is having a discussion on how CCW should be allowed on campus...Gun-free zones are a sham according to Mr. Schaeffer...
Anyway, I hope all college students stay vigilent...
 
SpeedAKL,

Sorry about what happened down there.

Maybe you and your fellow students could use this awful event to illustrate why your right to protect yourself should not lightly be disregarded.

Out in Utah, the university recently wanted to restrict guns on campus. The state took them to court and won (i.e. in UT the legislature retains the sole right to decide where guns can be carried).

Staff at Indiana University could CCW until about 1995 when an anti-gun president did a number of things including changing the policy to forbid it. I doubt it will ever be undone.

It would be interesting if someone at VA sued the school for depriving them of the means to defend themselves without providing compensating protection (like a guard in every classroom or something). These school policies are usually made without considering the big picture.

Take care.
 
Speed, This answer is not meant in any way shape or form to be Smart A--, but here goes. I have a 7 Y.O. Dodge pickup with 122,000 miles on it all over the Southwest, and have never had the spare tire out from under it (I do periodicaly check the air pressure), however, would I drive to the mall without a spare, NO. Why, because I choose to be responsible for mine and my families safety rather than depend on someone else to come get me if I have a flat. My CCW is exactly like my spare tire, I have one, I maintain it, and I hope I never have to use it, but I am responsible for me and mine.
 
Judgement and Experience

I am 73 years of age. I fired my first gun at eight years of age. I spent 22 years as a US Marine and since being medically retired from the Corps, I have kept up the shooting skills learned there while learning new ones (Clays and Skeet shooting) after retirement.

In that time (from 8 to 73) I have only had one incident outside of the military in which I wished for a concealed weapon. As one of the other contributors pointed out, you never know when you will need a weapon.

Familiarity, practice, good judgment, self discipline, and common sense are the only arbiters of when to carry and use a weapon. Take it from some one who in the course of his duties was forced to kill. YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO IT! However when it is a you or them situation, training and judgment kick-in and see you through.

I was taught two very important things in the Marine Corps., never draw and point your weapon at any thing or anyone unless you shoot and never shoot unless you mean to kill. That is still good advice to any one.

As to a hand weapon, you need the largest, most destructive weapon you can control and conceal. Over the years, for me it has proved to be the 45 ACP. I'm sure that it is because of the training and experience I received in the Corps. but it does work and work well for me. For you it may be something easier to control and less expensive to train on. In any case, you must train yourself mentally and physically for competent use of a firearm.

Good luck to you in your quest and remember, any tool is only as good or safe as its' user.
 
I bet there are 32 families who would rather have alive and expelled students right now.
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+1 on that. I want to be a law abiding citizen but I will not give up the right of self-offense and my responsibility to protect my family because of misguided political judgments by people who choose to see the world as they want it to be and not how it really is.
 
First, my prayers are with you & all those affected . . . second, think your decision through . . . it's an awesome responsibility . . . third, if you opt to go this route, become proficient.

I have a questions for guys and gals here with concealed carry permits:
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?

Daily, WHERE allowed. To me it's like a First Aid Kit . . . one never knows.

2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?

Never; I don't carry where it isn't allowed; I'm unwilling to risk my 2nd Amendment right to keep & bear arms. Whenever possible, I avoid those businesses.

3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?

I honestly don't know re: stats. I've been in 2 situations when CCW defused the situation with no shots fired.

4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?
Usually a 1911.
 
Contrary PoV...

Speed,

This might not be popular here, but if I were you I'd keep a gun 10 miles away from campus or more. I am very pro-2A, but its not worth getting expelled from school. The chance of another shooter coming into VT is probably about 1B to 1 right now with all the cops and press everywhere. Even after all this settles down, chances are extremely slim.

Besides, if you do get caught carrying on campus, the are going to make an example out of you because of the recent events. No one here likes VT's anti-gun policy, but flaunting the law down there right now IS A BAD IDEA.

Do the right thing and work with other students to change VT's rules and Virginia law. Going to jail not worth it.
 
Before you decide to carry a weapon, you first need to pray through and decide, between you and your creator, whether or not you could actually take a human life. If you cannot, please never carry a weapon! If you think you can, do yourself a big favor, go on Amazon.com and purchase the book by Massad Ayoob, "In the Gravest Extreme". This will give you a few things to think about, as you finalize your decision.
 
Speaking from the "Heart Of Old Dixie'Land" (Alabama), I use MY CCW license
eveyday~! I don't leave home without it, or my CCW piece. I don't have any
stats to compare a CCW license with crime prevention; but I'm quite sure
there are incidents where someone's A$$ has been saved by a CCW piece;
if not their own, someone elses. You are liable to see me carrying a variety
of weapons in the wake of the trajedy on the campus of Virginia Tech. Here
lately, I have been toting a 3" Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry .45 ACP in custom
leather rig from Kirkpatrick Leather of Laredo, TX; complete with a double mag
[leather] pouch with 2x reloads. I'm think'in of quite possibly changing that
to my 4" Springfield Armory service model XD .45 ACP-F, with two tactical
reloads~! ;) :D
 
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1. Every day. Only time I don't carry is in a bar, courthouse, etc. Lock it up in the car, instead.

2. Nope. Never been made to my knowledge. And I don't go for "deep concealment," either. It's concealed, but not in my underbritches or some such. Most folks are blissfully unaware. On the other hand, in addition to a cover garment, I also use camoulflage, of a sort. Black gun, in a black holster, riding on a black belt, against a black t-shirt and jeans, under a cover shirt or jacket. Even without the overshirt, it's not really that easy to spot.

3. I'm sure someone does, but I don't have any stats at my fingertips.

4. 1911, full size, .45 ACP. I've generally also got a kel-tec .32 in my pocket. The KT used to be my primary carry, but when I started carrying the .45, I forgot to take it out of my pocket. It's just that easy to carry.

~~~Mat
 
What happened today made me further realize that it's my responsibility to protect myself and my friends and family and that I can't rely on others to do it.

I have a questions for guys and gals here with concealed carry permits:
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?

I really don't know too much about it, so these questions will probably seem very basic.
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1. I have a CHL and I carry everywhere it is legal to do so.

2. I am never asked to leave a premises because no one knows I am carrying. If a place of business is posted against carrying, I either don't go or I do not carry in that business.

3. Do a google search. Read the NRA magazines' "Armed Citizen" column.

4. I carry a Sig P229 in .357 Sig.

Let me add that you would do well to get some training and practice regularly if you intend to carry a gun. The required training for a CCW is a start, but most people need more training and practice to become proficient.

An advantage of good training is that it increases your defensive awareness and better prepares you to avoid situations where deadly force might be needed. It also makes you better prepared in the event that you find yourself disarmed in a location with an active shooter.

Michael Courtney
 
I am suprised nobody has mentioned this to you yet. I recommend that you contact the Virginia Citizens' Defense league http://www.vcdl.org/ . They are one, in not the, best state CCW organizations out there. I bet that someone (s) would be more than happy to discuss the specifics of Virginia Laws with you, as well as give you some very good pointers on CCW classes.

Be Safe!
 
Quote: hey man... go get it.. im 21 but dont have a ccw... im thinking of it... there is a 25 year old male in my class who is bipolar.. has anxiety attacks.. he is just plane ass crazy! he jumps at me with no reason... and i just take it because i know his condition... i told him to stop talking to me he pissess me off ... and im thinking of concealing a gun while im at school... you never ever ever know! good luck my friend
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Not good thinking, as you would be breaking 2 very popular, by very angry anti-gun voters laws, that if you get caught, that Felony charge remains, and you lost your weapon, and legally can't buy anymore, and if caught again, get rdy for an long, miserable, contained, non-free life ahead.

You have no idea how long each day seems behind bars, along with what type of angry people you will share a confined negative area with.

This is my fear of young people and guns, in that, your emotions are fueled more by Testosterone than learned-control of everyday life, or common sense.

Your acting on this emotion as you write and think, and it would be perceived as "planned intent" to stop this guy once and for all, the next time, when, you may well have had several other choices, one being retreat from this problem, one way or another.

This is one reason I feel that "tactical training" is a must, in that, scenario playing, role playing, can overcome your natural instincts to think, "not gonna happen anymore".. vs training that will teach you, as in marksmanship skills, safety, etc., to be learned and honed to a "natural response" over what shows right now, as an instant, screw the law, screw this idiot, young testosterone driven thought, and is not in anyone's best interest, because once you carry illegally to your school, and this guy pisses you off, you're most likely gonna draw out (cause you planned for this moment) and then the spotlight is gonna be on you, BUSTED!!, and the police are gonna be called and take you away, one way or another, even if you don't shoot this guy, but merely stop him from touching, jumping at, you.

Learn or Burn,

The great thing about these type forums is you can do just that, and make a better, more educated, decision and benefit from others, along with set an example for others of your age group, around you.

Good luck with your life, live it well..

IMHO,


LS
 
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
I carry 24/7.

2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
Never - I carry concealed. If they don't know I'm carrying they won't ask.

3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
Unfortunately, ACCURATE and MEANINGFUL stats are not available.
Never had to draw - never want to! Don't personally know anybody else that has either.

4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?
Kel-Tec P-3AT with ArmaLaser and two spare mags loaded with a mix of expanding and non-expanding ammo.
 
SpeedAKL, lots of people praying for folks at Virginia Tech. I'm one of them. May God's grace be present with and among you.

You asked:

1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?

I've had carry permits in NH, NY, and PA. I use the permit(s) every day, carrying everywhere permitted by law.

2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?

Never. Concealed is concealed. Nobody should know you are carrying. You should not talk about carrying. You don't answer questions from other than law enforcement about carrying.

3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?

Look for John Lott's book, More Guns, Less Crime. I have never drawn my concealed weapon in a dangerous situation. Learn situational awareness. Avoidance is the best lifestyle.

4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?

Several, depending on situation, appropriate attire, etc. "Everywhere" gun is a Kel-Tec P32. But I also regularly carry a S&W 4013 in .40S&W, a Kahr PM9 in 9mm, or a Ruger SP101 in .357 Mag.

There is some good advice in this thread. You should think long and hard about the decision to carry a gun. And I won't recommend carrying in violation of the law. You should work to get the law changed.

Another piece of advice. See if you can take Mas Ayoob's LFI-I course, or at least the Judicious Use of Lethal Force seminar. More info at this link: http://www.ayoob.com/LFIschedule.html. Get and read a copy of In the Gravest Extreme. Make sure you are mentally prepared for the responsibility that comes with the decision to carry a firearm for self defense.

Blessings to you and all those affected by this horrific event.
 
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