VirginiaTech student with CCW questions

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I have a questions for guys and gals here with concealed carry permits:
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?

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1. Every day
2.Once... in a gun store... Everywhere else... it is never seen.
-They asked me to put it in the car... I got in the car and left.
3. JPFO should be able to give you all you need.
I have displayed my CCW and had it 'work'
4. S&W snubby .357
Kimber 1911
Glock 19
Kel Tec P 32
(Not all at 1x... but 2 at a time.)
 
I have a questions for guys and gals here with concealed carry permits:
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?

1. Always. Don't be one of the 32...or that guy stabbed for the $10 in the wallet.
2. Never. It's too dangerous to go anywhere without weapons.
3. http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/ should have stats on it somewhere. My parents were shot at after giving up their car in DC. They were not armed. I have covertly drawn my pistol on one occasion. Others have used knives. You should have two folding knives on you at all times. There is no limit on blade length in Virginia (except K-12 schools, then it's 3"). Get a Cold Steel Voyager 5". Learn to use it. knifefighting.com.
4. Typically a Glock mid-frame (19, 23, 32). Choose a gun based upon mission...smaller guns for more covert carry and larger ones when it's not required. Just always have a gun and two knives. Caliber: 38 Special or 9mm minimum. Typical recommendations: 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 9mm, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 10mm, 45 ACP, 44 Special, 41 Magnum, 44 Magnum. Look at very small guns like the Kahr PM9, Keltec P3AT, and others. Consider the Glock 26, 19, and similar sized guns. Smith and Wesson makes some very light revolvers with short barrels. These are very good; watch Micheal Bane's videos. http://www.downrange.tv/. On of the great things about a revolver is that you don't need magazines...just speed loaders. But, it lacks the capacity of even a Glock 26.

Remember, you have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. The CCW permits are actually unconstitutional. It's a "permit" because you ask *permission* from the government. You do not have to ask permission to exercise a right. However, the system is setup to encourage compliance. If you wish to comply, get one. Otherwise, carry and stay quiet about it. Be the "gray man" -- the one that blends into the background and is unnoticed.

Oh, and move off campus ASAP. You don't need a blabbermouth roommate talking about your weapons...or handling them.

Budget double the price of the gun for your first handgun. Additionally, include money for ammo and training (see fpftraining.com's DHS 1). Get a SmartCarry holster, a strong side carry holster, and something you can carry centerline (in front). You'll have to experiment a bit. The DeSantis Nemesis is great for little guns in the pocket, but not very secure if you carry at the appendix (but it does work and it's under $20). The DeSantis Cozy Partner works for most small and midsized guns such as the Glock 19. You'll need cleaning gear, ammo carriers, spare magazines, eye and hearing protection, targets, and so forth.

Remember, GET TRAINED! Learn how to handle the police. Learn how to GUNFIGHT! Shooting is fun; gunfight training is hard work. Remember that difference when evaluating the training. Ask what they teach...their description of the course will tell you what you need. Amazingly, a good Airsoft gun, which should be a duplicate of your carry gun, makes for excellent training.

Summary: Carry a gun and two knives at all times. Carry at least one reload for the gun. Get trained in the legalities of lethal force and handling the police. Find a lawyer before you get in a fight. Get in shape; a fit warrior is a fighting warrior. Finally, learn to gunfight.

There, I just spent $2000 of your money.
 
Additionally, get a GUN BELT. Belts that are 1.25" wide don't look like they're made for guns. Get one in black and one in brown. Don Hume makes a good one at an affordable price. Your back will thank you for it.

Remember, blend in. Don't wear tactical Gucci stuff. No Glock shirts. Wear darker shirts.

Misc. points:

Forward cant to holsters helps hide the gun, unless it's a very small one like the Kahr PM9 or Glock 26.

Learn how to move such that the gun is not revealed *through* the clothes.

The more hidden a gun is, the slower the draw.

The fastest draw is the covert draw in anticipation of action. The gun is already in your hand! It could be in your pocket, hidden behind your leg, in the backpack, etc.

You can carry your gun in your hand (held across the slide, not by the grip--eyes are trained for that shape), walk across the drill field in the dim light with nobody the wiser.
 
if (God forbid) you ever have to use your gun, make sure you understand the situation. What I mean is make sure the person you see really is the bad-guy and make sure he's the only one. If there is more than one make damn sure you know where they all are before you act.

(p.s. automatically assume there is more than one bad guy until proven otherwise)
 
speedAKL

i am a 63 yr old male, retired air force officer and retired business owner.
i have been carrying about 10 yrs.

it will seem weird when you first start, to be walking around armed.
soon (for me at least) it becomes simpler to carry all the time rather than try to alternate between two mindsets: i'm strapped/ i'm not.

for me, carrying is probably more a political or philosophical statement than actual need of protection. it is a physical token to remind me that i (and not the police or the government) am responsible for my own safety.

mostly, i don't hang around dangerous places. a major part of CHL training is conflict avoidance. this becomes more natural with the passage of time and with quadrannial CHL renewal classes.

so.. no, i have never had to draw my weapon for use against man or beast. but it is there if i need it. and i practice regularly enough to comfortable with the handling of it.

...then there are the zen aspects of target shooting, but that is a different subject...

as i ponder the sad events at your campus (and self-serving promotion thereof with which the press responded) i am reminded of the thought that AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY.

normally i carry a glock 26 in sidearmor inside-waist-band holster (with J hooks). sometimes a 5 shot snub 38spl in a crotch holster. sometimes, for fun, one or more of: 1911 45auto, 6 inch GP100 357mag, glock 31 357sig, 5 inch single action new vaquero 45colt, or something else.

no, i have never been asked to leave a place because i was carrying. just as i try to avoid places where there might be need to draw my weapon in self defense, i try to avoid places where self defense is not allowed. ...and, as has likely been pointed out already: 'that's why they call it CONCEALED.'

-shu
 
VT student with ccw questions

Im very sorry for the kids at Virginia tech. As a licensed armed guard in my home state, i would have loved to have been on duty and armed when the shooter walked in. With regard to armed students on campus, im not sure this is best approach under all circumstances. Lets face it, college kids sometimes drink lots of beer and act up a bit here and there...if the guns can be locked up in some sort of gunvault, and not touched while the partying is in progress, im all for it....maybe colleges should hire armed guards or have more campus cops on the grounds....good luck with the CCW, i recommend the Sig P239 DAK in 9mm, SAS version if you can afford it...good concealment and safe to handle. Pass on the .40 /.357 Sig calibers until you get more experience.. Glock 26, not as flat as the Sig, keep it in a holster. Never loose in a pocket or back pack. Observe all safety procedures at all times...i bet teachers at all levels will have more than homework in the briefcases in the days ahead....
 
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I'm sure you've gotten a lot of responses to your questions. Now, I offer mine (which may repeat and emphasize ealier posts).
My responses are bolded

I have a questions for guys and gals here with concealed carry permits:
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
When I go out, I'll have a handgun..if not on my person, it'll be in my vehicle.
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
Never
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
One time: it was Hot Rod week in York, PA. As my wife and I pulled into a resturant parking spot, a man and a woman started pounding on the hood on my car. They wanted the spot for a Hot Rod. I pulled my .38 out and had it in my hand, but out of sight. When the rod pulled up, there were up to 4 other persons in it ( a sedan).
Well, although I was pissed, an arguement over a parking spot isn't an imminent threat. We left and went to another resturant.
I'm pretty sure these folks had been drinking, although it was early in the day.
I'll also have the gun handy (out of my holster and easy to access) if I'm in an area I consider threatening.

4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?
Most often a .38 snubbie, sometimes a 9 mm Glock or Kahr.

Hope the answers you're getting help you...
 
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
I carry pretty much everyday at one time or another. I work at a high school and guns aren't even permitted in your car on the premises. As soon as I get home, if I'm going out, I have a gun on me.
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?I've never been asked to leave anywhere. I guess concealed is concealed and no one's ever noticed.
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?I was walking from my parent's house to my house (about a quarter of a mile) a few years ago. A van pulled up and stopped right in from of me and the passenger back door slid open. There were three guys in the back and two got out. I don't know what their intention was, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't to wish me a good evening. I had my hand on my pistol. As they approached I pulled it out and had it pointed down. They stopped got back in the vehicle and left.
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?I carry a Walther PPK/S or a Walther P-99. Columbia makes these excellent shorts called "Brewha" shorts, so called because you can carry two beers in the pocket. The pocket will also hold a Walther P-99 or Glock 19. I usually carry in a holster on a belt, but if that's not an option in the summertime, those shorts enable me to pocket carry.
 
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?

1. I carry whenever it's legal. I have never been forced to draw, but there have been times I was very glad I had the pistol with me.
2. Never. Concealed is concealed.
3. I know several people who have drawn and presented, none who have had to fire. If you want stats, see books by Kleck, Lott, and "Shooting Straight" by Wayne LaPierre. If you want mindset, "Principles of self defense" by Cooper and "In the Gravest Extreme" by Ayoob are excellent.
4. Taurus snubbie .38 or glock 26 9mm, depending on weather and clothes.

In Oklahoma it is both a crime and a violation of policy to carry on a college campus. The president can give permission, but you would still have to have a permit to conceal the gun.
 
So Speed, what are you thinking at this point? You've gotten a lot of responses, and there are some clear patterns here. Have you made any decisions, or are you leaning in any particular direction?
 
1. How often do you guys actually use it? There are like 400,000 CCW permit holders in Virginia, but do most of you guys actually carry regularly?
The answers here aren't going to be representative, but (like most here) I carry wherever legal. I decided I'm not going to carry while drinking, but instead it turns out I don't drink while carrying.
2. How often are you asked to leave the premises of a business because you're carrying?
Never. Concealed means concealed. If a business is posted "no guns", in Ohio it would be illegal for me to enter armed. I obey the law, almost always by shopping at a competitor.
3. Do you have any stats on CCW and crime prevention, and have you or anyone you know had an experience with CCW and a crime or dangerous situation?
http://gunfacts.info/ has some of this, although mostly geared towards convincing someone who is against guns.
4. What handgun do you carry concealed and/or use for personal defense?
Usually a Springfield XD40 subcompact in a Crossbreed inside-the-waist holster, occasionally a Kel-Tec P3AT in a pocket holster. I wouldn't recommend the P3AT to a new shooter unless you've tried it first.

Nothing is more versatile than a .38 snubnose rated for +p ammo. Good beginner gun, lots of experts carry them. My next handgun is almost certainly going to be a S&W Airweight aluminum framed 5 shot.

Your carry gear is as important as the gun, especially if you are carrying something too big for pocket carry.
 
I've been carrying for 10 years, I had my hand on my gun once, fortunately I didn't have to draw. It was a really close call. I was nervous but prepared for a fight. I think the perp sensed this and went on to easier prey. I carry pretty much everywhere except at work. I'll be using my co-workers as cover if anything ever happens at my place of employment.

I'm a Virginia Native (I grew up on the Eastern Shore during the 1980's), so I have some friends back in Accomack County that are VT Alumni. I can't imagine what you're going through, I just hope VT can get this horrible incident behind them. It's going to be a rough ride for many. My condolonces to you and your classmates.
 
Welcome to the board! I encourage you to get a good gun, some training and a CCW. I definitely discourage you from carrying where it's illegal.

Situational awareness (Do a Google search on "condition red" and "condition white"), a good little pocket knife, an escape route, self-defense training and another dose of situational awareness are good protection too - especially in places where you can't legally carry.
 
If the OP is a VA Tech student, perhaps he would help us -- several of us are looking for a victim who had a CCW. We think the prohibition against carrying on campus left the victims defenseless and they should sue. A victim who had a CCW and was forced to leave his gun at home when going on campus would have standing to sue -- and several of us have pledged seed money to finance the suit.
 
The reason why this travesty does not happen in Israeli schools...is that all Israeli teachers, instructors and professors carry weapons. I'd like to think our teachers could do that...except we have such wacko college professors. They might be more of a liability than the normal flavor of bad guy.
 
Lets face it, college kids sometimes drink lots of beer and act up a bit here and there...
Let's face it -- these same college kids, if over 21 can get a Concealed Carry Permit under Virginia's liberalized CCW law. And if they were prone to misuse that permit, they would be misusing it off-campus.

But they aren't!

The reason why this travesty does not happen in Israeli schools...is that all Israeli teachers, instructors and professors carry weapons. I'd like to think our teachers could do that...except we have such wacko college professors. They might be more of a liability than the normal flavor of bad guy.

We need to find a victim with a CCW (or his family) and encourage them to sue the University for depriving them of a basic civil right and of the means of self-defense. Several of us have pledged financial support to put up seed money for the suit.
 
Virginia CHL Holder

I live in Northern Virginia in the Peoples Republic of Alexandria, and like most of my neighbors and colleagues have been hit hard by the VT tragedy. We all have friends whose children are Hokies and most of us are 2 degrees of separation or less from a victim's family. Hope you are healing.

Although I intended to carry when I got my permit, I have not done so, except when going to and from a range.

First: In this area there are really very few places where concealed carry is allowed, unless you're driving around in your car. Can't carry in DC (the place I feel the greatest need), government buildings, military bases, schools, most parks, Metro, establishments that serve alcohol, businesses that are "posted," etc. My day usually involves being in one or more of those places.

Second: Reading what the grown-ups on THR and TFL say when the issue of brandishing or using a weapon is discussed, is very sobering. You come to realizethat once you present or use your gun, your life is likely to be changed forever. As a result, while I hope I would not hesitate to respond to a clear and unavoidable threat, the scenarios in which I can see myself using a weapon are fewer than I previously believed.

Hope this helps.
 
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