Wait to submit CPL Application is 7 months! Need alternative.

[winfreeokra]

Where did you get that cockamamie idea?

In Michigan loaded and in car is considered concealed regardless of if it is in plain sight or not. So while open carry is legal, going from place to place to do so can be a pain. OP would need to unload, case the gun, trunk it or keep it as separate as possible from the ammo with neither being readily available while driving.

 

[Bartojc]

I specifically would not buy in Wayne county the times I've looked to move. I know that doesn't help you, but I sympathize with you.

-Jeff

 

[guyfromohio]

I’d just show up for a walk-in. Being polite may get you through the door. I did so in Ohio for my renewal wages first appointment was months out. You could also look at an adjacent county if allowed in Michigan.

 

[aaaaa]

Where did you get that cockamamie idea?

From a criminal defense law firm's web page,

As a general principle, any time you have a firearm in a motor vehicle, that weapon is considered concealed. This is true whether the firearm is open and obvious inside the vehicle or not. Carrying a concealed weapon is a five-year felony in Michigan. There is no such thing as “open carry” inside a car. A violation of this law is a five-year felony. See Michigan Compiled Laws Sec. 750.227. Persons with a valid Concealed Pistol License (CPL) are exempt from this law.

https://www.baronedefensefirm.com/blog/lawful-transportation-of-a-gun-in-michigan/

 

[starnbar]

Last updated September 15, 2021 . Florida generally allows a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm within the interior of a private vehicle, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use.Sep 15, 2021

Guns in Vehicles in Florida - Giffords
https://giffords.org › lawcenter › state-laws › guns-in-vehi...

 

[aaaaa]

I’d just show up for a walk-in. Being polite may get you through the door. I did so in Ohio for my renewal wages first appointment was months out. You could also look at an adjacent county if allowed in Michigan.

That is where I would try the notary appointment, which is only a month out. I suspect they will not let me in without some kind of appointment. They even say, "Please do not bring anyone with you unless their assistance is necessary to help you during the appointment."

 

[GEM]

In today's world, being in a parking lot and taking out a gun and loading it might lead to some unpleasant interactions. Do that in a mall lot and someone will call the law.

Also, I wish people would shut up about their opinions of TX law. My advice - no open carry, it's stupid. Wait out the process.

 

[Old Dog]

Hate to hear it's gotten so bad back there. We still own property in Washtenaw and Alger counties in Michigan and will be part-time residents again after we're both retired, so this could affect some in the family.

But seven months just for the appointment? Wow. Guess our folks up here can't complain too much about getting carry licenses, as egregious as some of our laws here have become.

At least most of the counties in Washington simply have hours for processing initial CPL applications. Seems those who live outside city limits have it better, as the sheriffs are more accommodating than the city PDs.

My daughter filled her CPL application on the sheriff's office website, signed it, walked into the office (with me), no wait, got finger-printed in five minutes, showed her ID, and we got her CPL in the mail in less than 10 days.

(The state law says issuing departments have up to 30 days, although some PDs and a couple counties used the pandemic and staffing as an excuse to deliver the licenses later -- nonetheless, the worst case I heard was one guy who had to wait 45 days). Not to devolve into politics here, but it does appear that Seattle, King County, Tacoma, Pierce County and a couple other populated, less rural areas that shall go un-named, don't place a high priority on ensuring prompt attention to their citizens' right to bear arms. I'm sure that's all just coincidence and their staffs are too busy fighting crime. Wait, never mind...

 

[bdickens]

In Michigan loaded and in car is considered concealed regardless of if it is in plain sight or not. So while open carry is legal, going from place to place to do so can be a pain. OP would need to unload, case the gun, trunk it or keep it as separate as possible from the ammo with neither being readily available while driving.

From a criminal defense law firm's web page,

https://www.baronedefensefirm.com/blog/lawful-transportation-of-a-gun-in-michigan/

Wow

Y'all got some real idiots making up y'all's laws.

 

[F-111 John]

Hate to hear it's gotten so bad back there. We still own property in Washtenaw and Alger counties in Michigan and will be part-time residents again after we're both retired, so this could affect some in the family.

But seven months just for the appointment? Wow. Guess our folks up here can't complain too much about getting carry licenses, as egregious as some of our laws here have become.

This is only true in Wayne County. In my Ingham County there's no such issue getting in to see the Clerk about processing a CPL application on a walk-in basis. No appointment necessary, but they do ask not to come in after 4 PM to begin the CPL application process.

 

[Mr. Pepper Nose]

I live in MI and I don't believe I was ever required to set up an appointment at the county. The bottlekneck was fingerprinting through the PD, but there was the option to handle it through a private 3rd-party. I believe this service is available statewide and a nominal fee is required.

Maybe my memory is failing me. I have heard some county's are more of a PITA.

 

[aaaaa]

Wow

Y'all got some real idiots making up y'all's laws.

I think it is because there is no Michigan law on open carry, for or against, it just is. So when they defined the laws for concealed carry, the car became concealment. Unintended consequences? Or intentional to make open carry difficult.

 

[aaaaa]

I live in MI and I don't believe I was ever required to set up an appointment at the county. The bottlekneck was fingerprinting through the PD, but there was the option to handle it through a private 3rd-party. I believe this service is available statewide and a nominal fee is required.

Maybe my memory is failing me. I have heard some county's are more of a PITA.

I batted zero on a couple of state police offices. Nobody wants to answer the phone. I did get a message off at a legal office (same one I quoted above) but I don't know that I can afford the cost. They will be calling me back once one of their lawyers looks over my question that left with their answering service person.

 

[Demi-human]

Y'all got some real idiots making up y'all's laws.

It wasn’t until I began to be interested in firearms that I realized how corrupt this state is, in many, many more facets than just firearms.

I used to believe this was paradise. It still is, until one takes in to account the human element.

On the west side of the state, a renewal fee is paid and a new license is mailed. No appointment, no waiting.
That it is not the same shore to shore irritates me. They who are in charge can’t even keep it consistent, let alone fair.

 

[WheelGunMan]

So in Wayne County, Michigan, I just went online with the county clerk's office to make an appointment to submit my CPL application and discovered the first available appointment is 26 January 2023--7 months out! That has to be a violation of the legal requirement for "shall issue." I see a news article from two years ago where the wait was 9 months and they said people were just carrying anyway because of the long wait.
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/concealed-pistol-license-wait-is-9-months-long-in-wayne-county
Neighboring Oakland County was about 3 weeks out at that time, and I just looked on their website and see that if I was an Oakland County resident, I could have an appointment tomorrow! But Oakland County will not issue to non-residents Something is seriously wrong with my county.

So, I am thinking I should try to get a CPL from some other state that Michigan recognizes in reciprocity and just use that instead. Some of the states will issue a CPL to non-residents:
https://handgunlaw.us/documents/NonResidentPermits.pdf

I think the Wayne county clerk's office is deceptively dragging their feet on new permits. They cite lack of manpower to process the permits. There are a couple of gun lobby organizations within the state that have brought suit against Wayne county. Have you verbally inquired with surrounding counties to see if they'll let you make application?

 

[Reloadron]

On the west side of the state, a renewal fee is paid and a new license is mailed. No appointment, no waiting.
That it is not the same shore to shore irritates me. They who are in charge can’t even keep it consistent, let alone fair.

This sort of thing is something which escapes me. I can understand, to a small degree states having home rule but I would expect each state to have a single set of laws or rules governing firearms short of a single set of federal laws. Initially we had this sort of BS nonsense in Ohio. I could drive into city limits and be charged if I had an AR in my truck or even if stopped driving town to town as each municipality had their own firearms laws. It was lunacy at its very best. Then finally all that nonsense ended and state laws trumped all the local nonsense. Towns like Cleveland and some burbs cried they had a right to home rule but that cry never held up. One set of laws and rules statewide applies. That's it, nice and plain and simple.

Ron

 

[aaaaa]

I think the Wayne county clerk's office is deceptively dragging their feet on new permits. They cite lack of manpower to process the permits. There are a couple of gun lobby organizations within the state that have brought suit against Wayne county. Have you verbally inquired with surrounding counties to see if they'll let you make application?

Great idea. Can't hurt to try. Wayne County should have long ago enlisted the aid of neighboring counties to handle the supposed overload.

 

[aaaaa]

I sent a question to my county clerk's office regarding the long wait to apply for a CPL. Their response,

Thank You for reaching out to the Wayne county Clerk’s Office. Unfortunately the dates reflected on our website are the only dates available.

 

[aaaaa]

Well blow me down! The clerk email reminded me to do my daily check of appointments to see if there have been any cancellations, and I find appointments are now available starting this Thursday so I am scheduled this week. I pulled that site up couple times a day over the last two days and it was always January 2023, and I could see appointments disappearing from the first available day. I hope those folks who are scheduled in January are checking back on the schedule. I wonder if it was a glitch in their system. When I called the clerk's office the phone message said that they will have the scheduler web page back up on May first, so old message, low staffing, who knows. What a mess. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Spats McGee]

The idea of waiting months just to turn in an application is pretty alien to me, but I'm glad you got your appointment moved up.

 

[bdickens]

The idea of waiting months just to turn in an application is pretty alien to me, but I'm glad you got your appointment moved up.

No kidding.

Waiting months for it to be processed is one thing but just to turn it in? That's insane.

 

[Jimbo80]

Is the appointment just to turn in the paperwork? That sounds like they're just putting up hoops to jump through to discourage people from applying. Here in FL it's all done by mail.

 

[aaaaa]

Supposed to take 45 days after the application is submitted. We'll see. Sounds like they have a lazy attitude towards maintaining their web scheduling service. Glad it updated anyway.

 

[aaaaa]

In today's world, being in a parking lot and taking out a gun and loading it might lead to some unpleasant interactions. Do that in a mall lot and someone will call the law.

Also, I wish people would shut up about their opinions of TX law. My advice - no open carry, it's stupid. Wait out the process.

Must be something about Texas that makes folks think it is the last vestige of the Wild West. I remember as a teen (1970s) someone telling me that it is perfectly legal to drink alcohol while driving a motor vehicle on public roads in Texas.

 

[Reloadron]

Glad it worked out for the good.

A note about Texas and alcohol laws. Back in '75 I married. We were on a trek across Texas. Stopped in a hotel with a bar. Wife was 18 and I was over 21. Nice bartender explained since she was my spouse I was her guardian and she could be served alcohol. Go figure?

Anyway, go get your whatever Michigan calls it.

Ron