Walmart goes anti-gun

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Sure, if they think they don't need a sign, they're dead wrong in most states, thus you ARE legal to CCW in there...
Walmart doesn't make the assertion that it'll be illegal for you to CCW or OC. Simply that they can ask you to leave, and if you don't they can then have the police intervene. Trespassing most likely would be the charge.
 
STOP SHOPPING AT WAL-MART:fire:

Wal-Mart is striking a deal with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg on tighter standards for gun sales. Guns have suddenly taken center stage in the race for the White House, as the candidates make their claim to understand "the values" of blue-collar voters in small town America.

Wal-Mart is the nation's largest seller of firearms and Bloomberg is an outspoken gun control advocate.
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Under the group's Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership, Wal-Mart will agree to keep certain records.

http://wcbstv.com/politics/wal.mart.bloomberg.2.699395.html


Tuesday, April 15th 2008, 4:00 AM

WASHINGTON - Mayor Bloomberg's national anti-gun campaign won a big victory at Wal-Mart on Monday - and inserted itself into the presidential race with a new TV ad.

Surrounded by Republican and Democratic mayors from dozens of cities, Bloomberg announced that Wal-Mart, the country's biggest gun seller, will put tight new controls on firearms sales - including videotaping every purchase - to keep them out of the hands of criminals.

"This partnership has the potential to set a new standard for gun dealers across the country," Bloomberg said. "We want customers and police officers to ask, does this dealer follow the Wal-Mart standard? And if not, why not?"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/04/15/2008-04-15_antigun_crusader_bloomberg_salutes_walma.html



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Glad the only thing I "Occasionally buy" there is cheap motor/Transmission oil....

That will be ending ASAP though.
 
Talk about it all you like, you aren't going to stop Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is a separate breathing entity. Too many people, too much money. Wal-Mart was not a bad company, those in charge of it have corrupted it.
 
It's their store - they're free to apply whatever policy they like.

That's what they used to say about blacks in white only stores.

A civil right is a civil right. If they are open to the public then they should open to the public without irrational discrimination.
 
Talk about it all you like, you aren't going to stop Wal-Mart.

Us gunnies alone can't - even if all 80 mil of us were bothered enough to try.

But as I said earlier, many people, gun owners or NOT, are starting to wake up and see the folly of the "Chinamart" model... Heck of the whole "global economy" deal of turning the USA into a BUYER of all instead of a SELLER of all...

Lead toys and sunglasses, salmonella tomatoes, POISON heparain...what more evidence to we need?
 
Walmart, being a private company, has every right to deny service or entrance to someone so long as it's not based on color, race, religion, etc. Even then, they can, they just won't win a suit over it.

This sucks, but until there's a federal law passed that guarantees us the right to carry on any private property regardless of what the owners say, it's going to stick that way.

If you carry into any private business, and they don't like you carrying, they can ask you to leave. If you don't, it's criminal trespassing. That's a fact. Rosa Park it all you want, but the public doesn't see violations of the 2A in the same light as blacks being refused service etc. Fighting it in that manner, that of going in OC and refusing to leave, is not only pointless, it's stupid.
The better way to clear off the no-gun signs is to speak with managers in a civil tone, explain the actual law, the deterrent effect, and that you will discuss their policy with your friends and resolve to shop elsewhere. It might not work on a major company like wally-world, but your smaller, local shops are needing your business to even survive against walmart. Many of them are receptive to law-abiding citizens carrying in their business once you address their fears and ignorance of the concept.

BTW, the only thing a lack of signs does in Walmart's case is prevent the cops from nailing you with the state laws that cover restricted zones. They want your business, not the hassle. So just don't shop there.
 
In Texas I believe the law requires display of state mandated signs anywhere CW are not aloud even private property that is open to the public like Wally World. Right now Texas is a CC state, but there is a push for OC. I think that if Texas ever goes OC there will be a lot more cases of people being asked to leave there weapon in the vehicle, and a lot more of those signs popping up. To me CC means out of sight out of mind. I would like to not worry about if my T-shirt is covering my gun or not, but I don’t want to be hassled because a store manager who was too lazy to post a sign sees a gun on my hip, and doesn’t want it in their store. I also would rather a scumbag try to screw with me than find an “easier target”. As far as Wal-Mart goes I’m sure Sam Walton is spinning in his grave over what his company has become since he died.
 
That said, I'm surprised no one else picked up on the name of the poster on OpenCarry.org the OP quoted "schwarzi88". Schwarz is "black" in German, it can be a common name (just like Schwartz is black in Yiddish and a common name). However, he has it in lowercase letters (implying the word, not the name) and I wonder what the "i" after the word means (in Yiddish the soft "a" sound at the end makes it mean the same as the "n" word). That combined with the 88 makes me wonder- I've never seen 88 as an identifier for anyone but members of a certain group. The Neo-Nazis love it, the 8 stands for the 8th letter of the alphabet (h), the 88 or double H stands for the Nazi slogan which I don't wish to repeat (heil then the name of the leader). It does make me wonder if he did anything to antagonize the store management other than carry (such as certain tattoos, certain slogans on his t-shirt, etc.).

I thought I would post the reply schwarzi88 had on open carry on the above subject.

LMWFAO i'm white german my political belives are MINE and should intrest noone else..... that being said some people seem to see nazis every where Paranoia whatever u may call it **** that name was on a random email i sighned up for and i just kept it for over 10 years lol Clear enough PPL!!!
 
What is up with this assertion that Open carriers are going into places that don't like carry, then refusing to leave if asked?

We are NOT doing that, and anyone who did that would meet with much scrutiny, disbelief, and disapproval.

Study it, look at the threads on opencarry.org

Oh, and about just concealing, there are a few of us that cannot get a permit due to age. What are they supposed to do? Go unarmed?

Are their lives any less important than those who have a permit?
I don't think so.
 
Here in New Jerzeystan

I was told all Wal-Marts sell nothing gun related, no ammo, scopes, slings, etc.
When I asked why, they said it was policy for all Wal-Mart Stores in NJ due to all the restrictions. :fire:

So I don't shop there, ever, for anything. We have to just vote with our wallets... :neener:
 
My Wal-mart has the lowest price on 12 ga shells in my town and I am 19 and they don't even bother with checking my ID. The shells are also sitting out on a shelf where there are no cameras looking. The clerks I talk to in the firearms dept. are always giving me advice about which brand of slugs shoot best or which shot shells pattern best. They seem to know their guns better than some clerks in Gander Mountain.

The reason I think walmart is against have guns on their property and selling guns/ammo is because they are looking to increase profits. They know if someone gets shot in their store for whatever reason they are getting sued like no other.

As you can see by this thread, Walmart already has a bad reputation, they don't need it any worse by having people getting shot on their property. You can say that it is bad, or walmart is doing the wrong thing, but it isn't what is right or wrong, but what customers and the media PERCEIVE to be right or wrong.

If a gunman comes into walmart and kills a bunch of people, it was the gun's fault, or the gun stores fault or the NRA's fault.

If walmart allows guns in their store and someone gets hurt by accident or purpose, Walmart is at fault, then gun, then NRA.

K-mart got a terrible rap for selling the bullets used in columbine, they even got on "Bowling for Columbine" for their sale and phased out their sale of ammunition because of media pressure, but I doubt walmart would have gotten off so easy.
 
What is up with this assertion that Open carriers are going into places that don't like carry, then refusing to leave if asked?

I was refering to the tone some have taken here that a business declining service to someone with a legally carried gun is committing the equivalent of refusing to serve blacks, hispanics, etc. It's simply not in the same league in the public eye, and since the mantra is not "shall not be discriminated against due to age, race, religion, nor whether they carry a gun", it's still perfectly legal to say you don't want those stinkin, hick gunnies in your shop.

Personally, I believe we should be permitted to carry OC or concealed in any and all public places (businesses open to the public also), libraries, town meetings (regardless of where they're held), sporting events, etc. I'm a bit up in the air on courtrooms and police stations, but I am certain that if a police station has a range, it should be open to public use (at least one day a week) for a suitable fee. Hell, it's already being paid for by taxes, the people should get to use it.

I was also pointing out that a business has the right to ask you to leave their property. If you refuse, it's in violation of the law (perhaps I should say "in many places"). It was not implying that there's a mass movement to force businesses to allow us to OC by refusing to not leave then getting arrested. I was pointing it out for those who stumble on this thread and might not know what the consequences are.

Oh, and about just concealing, there are a few of us that cannot get a permit due to age. What are they supposed to do? Go unarmed?
Sometimes you'll have to go unarmed. Sucks, but that's life. I'm not allowed to carry on my job by company rules. So to keep my job, I dont. I can even lose my job for having it locked down in my car in my state, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, even if I choose not to while on the clock so as to keep my job.
Carry how and when you can, and fight to shift the boundries of those rules that restrict it. Understand that you're not the only one in this fight, and that just because I have more options availiable to me in regards to carry, it doesn't mean I don't care about how you do. The dislike of OC affects conceal permit holders also. Sometimes I'd prefer to OC rather than conceal, but it's not always appreciated by the masses.
 
Natural rights trump property rights any day of the week. We're talking about a business open to the public, not a person's domicile. If you don't agree that natural rights reign supreme, then there is no point in debating this point.

In which case, I think walmart should not allow homosexuals to shop in their stores. Since homosexuals are not a federally protected class, Walmart is in their private property rights to not allow homosexuals to shop there. Afterall, homosexuals who shop at Walmart would ruin the family atmosphere that the seek to provide.

Besides, if homsexuals don't like this policy they can shop elsewhere. Otherwise, they could just stop being homosexuals, afterall it's a choice they can make to stop being homosexuals.

I wonder how well that policy would go over :rolleyes:
 
anti Wal-Mart threads are as entertaining as they are numerous. I especially like the "China Mart" label. It's funny, really. Every store I've been in that sells the same type merchandise, carries the same brands Wally-World does. It's getting darned near impossible to find anything not made overseas. This includes Target, K Mart, Macy's, Kohl's, Lowes, Home Depot, the local hardware store, you name it.

While it's true they've gone down hill severely since Sam passed away, it has only brought them closer to the level of their competitors.

As for myself, I buy very few things there. This has nothing to do with weapons policies, as the ones here abide by state law. It's more to do with my severe distaste of crowds, and shopping in general. I'd rather pay more, just for the ability to get in and out faster.
 
I especially like the "China Mart" label. It's funny, really. Every store I've been in that sells the same type merchandise, carries the same brands Wally-World does

Isn't Wal-Mart the innovator of the "sell cheap crap from China" model, though?

BTW, the only thing a lack of signs does in Walmart's case is prevent the cops from nailing you with the state laws that cover restricted zones. They want your business, not the hassle. So just don't shop there.

Agreed, they CAN kick you out for any reason whatsoever. It just seems VERY disingenuous of them to have an official policy of "no guns," yet not even bother posting signs about it. Methinks they want to have their cake and eat it too?
 
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I suggest that someone contact WalMart and verify the authenticity of those two documents before we play this game of "Rumor" any further.

When you've got copies directly from WalMart instead of pulled from some other website and posted as if they were fact, then a rational and factual discussion can be held.

Then you can open another thread with verified facts.
 
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