what advantage would a CCW be for me?

[thunderbyrd]

i live in Kentucky and pretty much never go out of state (or much of anywhere, really). we have "constitutional carry" here, so i don't have to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm. i actually have not, to this point, ever carried concealed but i think about it some and might do it eventually. but my firing range is having the CCW class in a couple of weeks and i have been told that it's well worth taking. the expense ain't much and i'm probably doing nothing that day. i've been told that having the permit makes buying guns easier - but i have no difficulty whatsoever buying guns in this state. i fill out the form, lay down the money and walk out the door with my new gun.

so, other than going to another state, what use is a CCW permit to me? i know there are things i would learn in the class that are worth knowing and i would be interested in whatever they teach. so maybe that's enough reason to do it.

 

[12Bravo20]

It will depend on your state's laws and if having a CCW permit gives you any more legal protection than carrying without a permit.

I know in Missouri, we have more legal protection by having a valid carry permit. Plus the fact of being able to carry in other states that honor Missouri permits is a plus too.

 

[WrongHanded]

It is an indication that you are a law abiding and responsible member of society who is choosing to go above and beyond the minimum requirements to carry a firearm concealed about your person in public.

That may seem like nothing. But if you ever end up being judge by a dozen of your peers in a murky self defense case, it may make a difference. It may also make a difference in any encounter you have with law enforcement where they discover you have a weapon. It basically says you've already been vetted by the State.

 

[thunderbyrd]

It is an indication that you are a law abiding and responsible member of society who is choosing to go above and beyond the minimum requirements to carry a firearm concealed about your person in public.

That may seem like nothing. But if you ever end up being judge by a dozen of your peers in a murky self defense case, it may make a difference. It may also make a difference in any encounter you have with law enforcement where they discover you have a weapon. It basically says you've already been vetted by the State.

this makes good sense. you've convinced me.

 

[12Bravo20]

It is an indication that you are a law abiding and responsible member of society who is choosing to go above and beyond the minimum requirements to carry a firearm concealed about your person in public.

That may seem like nothing. But if you ever end up being judge by a dozen of your peers in a murky self defense case, it may make a difference. It may also make a difference in any encounter you have with law enforcement where they discover you have a weapon. It basically says you've already been vetted by the State.

I forgot to mention that part. But yes having a permit does normally help when having any interaction with law enforcement.

 

[Outlaw75]

It is an indication that you are a law abiding and responsible member of society who is choosing to go above and beyond the minimum requirements to carry a firearm concealed about your person in public.

That may seem like nothing. But if you ever end up being judge by a dozen of your peers in a murky self defense case, it may make a difference. It may also make a difference in any encounter you have with law enforcement where they discover you have a weapon. It basically says you've already been vetted by the State.

Also, there may be places you can carry only if you have a permit. Here in Arizona you can carry on to school property and leave your firearm locked inside your car, but only if you have a valid AZ permit.

 

[12Bravo20]

Also, there may be places you can carry only if you have a permit. Here in Arizona you can carry on to school property and leave your firearm locked inside your car, but only if you have a valid AZ permit.

That falls under having more legal protection by having a permit. Missouri is the same way, we can have a firearm in our vehicles on school properties with a permit.

 

[thunderbyrd]

ok, these are great answers, but how does it help me in buying guns?

 

[12Bravo20]

ok, these are great answers, but how does it help me in buying guns?

It will only help with purchases from a FFL if your state is a Point of Contact for the back ground check AND the ATF accepts the permits/training in lieu of the NICS check. It will also put sellers at ease when making a face to face sale between individuals where legal without a background check.

 

[nettlle]

Although Ohio has constitutional carry now I still renew my license. It's a privilege to have and I took a 10 hour course and paid $135.00 for this privilege. For all the reasons listed above. And I bought through our county's sheriff's department. They do such a good job I consider the fee will spent.

 

[jdc1244]

but how does it help me in buying guns?

In your state it seems it doesn’t.

In my state I’m not subject to the three-day wait to take a new purchase from an FFL home.

License holders in Florida also are safe-guarded from employers and private property owners hostile to guns; we can keep guns in our cars over the objection of employers and private property owners, employers and private property owners aren’t allowed to ask if license holders have guns.

Might want to see if there’s similar provisions in your state.

 

[thunderbyrd]

In your state it seems it doesn’t.

In my state I’m not subject to the three-day wait to take a new purchase from an FFL home.

License holders in Florida also are safe-guarded from employers and private property owners hostile to guns; we can keep guns in our cars over the objection of employers and private property owners, employers and private property owners aren’t allowed to ask if license holders have guns.

Might want to see if there’s similar provisions in your state.

yes, i suppose i will learn these things at the class. so, yep. it's worthwhile.

 

[nettlle]

Some info about CCW licenses and purchasing guns.

https://www.usacarry.com/ccw-bypass-background-check-purchasing-gun/

 

[old lady new shooter]

ok, these are great answers, but how does it help me in buying guns?

Kentucky is one of the states that recognizes a valid in-state carry permit as equivalent to a background check. You still have to fill out the 4473 but the seller does not have to run a background check through NICS. Very helpful if NICS is down, also avoids getting you mixed up with a prohibited person with a similar name. See https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/permanent-brady-permit-chart

 

[Jamie B]

It is an indication that you are a law abiding and responsible member of society who is choosing to go above and beyond the minimum requirements to carry a firearm concealed about your person in public.

That may seem like nothing. But if you ever end up being judge by a dozen of your peers in a murky self defense case, it may make a difference. It may also make a difference in any encounter you have with law enforcement where they discover you have a weapon. It basically says you've already been vetted by the State.

I’ve had my OH permit since 2004, when the law went into effect.
I don’t travel outside the state, but your logic is sound, and I agree with it.
I just renewed several months ago for the 5th or 6th time.
I will always maintain my permit.

 

[AlexanderA]

But yes having a permit does normally help when having any interaction with law enforcement.

I would say that, depending on the attitudes of the local police, the reverse might be true. Here in Virginia, the fact that you have a carry permit automatically is known to a cop that pulls you over for a traffic stop. This is a tense moment that I would rather avoid. (But paradoxically, the fact that you have a machine gun registered with the State Police does not show up on the patrol data base.) Such are the vagaries of the privacy rules.

 

[12Bravo20]

Each state will be different. I know Missouri permits show up as soon as an officer runs your plates or drivers license. I still find it helpful having a permit when dealing with law enforcement here in Missouri.

 

[thunderbyrd]

Kentucky is one of the states that recognizes a valid in-state carry permit as equivalent to a background check. You still have to fill out the 4473 but the seller does not have to run a background check through NICS. Very helpful if NICS is down, also avoids getting you mixed up with a prohibited person with a similar name. See https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/permanent-brady-permit-chart

yes, i see! i remember i once bought a gun and had to wait for awhile while they were having some kind of computer problem. this was a rural king where the guys running the gun counter don't always know what they are doing.

 

[Tilos]

ok, these are great answers, but how does it help me in buying guns?

You can be "delayed" when your FFL calls in your background check to the NICS system for a gun purchase.
If that happens to you, you are at the mercy of the stores' policy, which could be "shall issue" after 3/5/or x number of business days.
But some stores' policy is to only issue after getting a call back from NICS, and that nearly never happens as NICS does not believe it is necessary because of the "shall issue" after X days rule.
I had been stuck in that situation, waited forever as the dealer refused to contact NICS and took on the "wait and see" posture.
I cancelled the purchase and got my money back and signed up for the required class to get my advanced CWL.

With an enhanced CWL (what is issued in Idaho) that 4473 form you fill out never leaves the FFL, is never called in for a background check, and you walk out with that new gun.

More of the CWL (known as a Concealed Weapons License in Idaho) class delt with the LEGAL ins/outs/responsibilities of the CWL holder and what situations are legal to use your firearm and what to do if you did.
Knowing that legal stuff alone was reason enough to go thru the class and application process, for me.

Things like you own every bullet until it stops or falls to the ground.
If it goes thru the radiator/engine of the BMW across the street, hits the guy mowing his lawn, or a bystander, know that you will be sued for all of that.

 

[Big_Al]

I would say that, depending on the attitudes of the local police, the reverse might be true. Here in Virginia, the fact that you have a carry permit automatically is known to a cop that pulls you over for a traffic stop. This is a tense moment that I would rather avoid. (But paradoxically, the fact that you have a machine gun registered with the State Police does not show up on the patrol data base.) Such are the vagaries of the privacy rules.

Would seem to be a lot smaller issue than carrying without a permit. Up here I guess the cops figure if you go to the trouble of getting a permit they aren't too worried about having problems with you. I've never had an issue while being stopped, we were both pretty relaxed.

 

[AlexanderA]

Would seem to be a lot smaller issue than carrying without a permit. Up here I guess the cops figure if you go to the trouble of getting a permit they aren't too worried about having problems with you. I've never had an issue while being stopped, we were both pretty relaxed.

The racial element is the elephant in the room here. Cops (both white and black) seem to have a problem with black people carrying, even legally. The case of Philando Castile is a black gun owner's worst nightmare. For that reason alone he might be hesitant to apply for a carry permit. He might conclude that it's safer, all things considered, to carry without a permit. So the problem just perpetuates itself.

This is one of the strongest arguments in favor of "constitutional" (permitless) carry.

 

[Remington1911]

Well I don't know about your state, but here in MO we had an issue about a year ago when the feds came in and wanted access to the CCW records.



There was a very big dust up a few counties from where I work. They did not try to come here that I know of. It was a pretty hot deal.

If I am looking for a reason not to this is a pretty big one, this did happen and the feds pushed very hard to get access. Lucky we have laws in this state and our sheriff's told the feds to pound sand.

Not having my name on yet another list might be something to think about.

You can always take the class, learn and not get the CCW.

 

[WeekendReloader]

I often ride my motorcycle to the range in the summer. I got my CCW to prevent any legal issues with transporting a firearm and ammo together in a backpack. I keep the firearms locked (either a trigger lock or a lock on the case), but the ammo is packed as purchased.

I don't carry or otherwise transport loaded firearms. I don't have a need to do it.

An interesting thing about motorcycles... (in Michigan) If you open carry and then get on a motorcycle, it is legally considered to be a concealed weapon as you are now carrying "in" a motor vehicle. The law treats it the same as if you got in a car. Seems silly to me, but it is what it is. You can open carry in Michigan without a CCW, but you need to unload and store the firearm and ammo in your trunk before driving your car.

 

[Craig_AR]

Federal law makes it a crime to carry a firearm within 1,000 feet of a K-12 school, UNLESS, you have a carry permit or license. Thus, having a CCW makes it legal to drive past school while carrying.

 

[trackskippy]

I always looked at them as a "learners permit". They let you learn to carry a gun and work things out, without too much worry of arrest if you dont quite have it down yet and someone questions it.

That way, when they do come out and take/revoke their "permit" to exercise your rights, and tell you you cant carry a gun anymore, you're well prepared for what comes next.