what advantage would a CCW be for me?

I maintain a permit because I sometimes visit neighboring states that recognize it.

Unfortunately, it is not recognized for purchases. We lost the certification when BATF found that one sheriff was not running a background check.
 
thunderbyrd said:
i live in Kentucky and pretty much never go out of state (or much of anywhere, really). we have "constitutional carry" here, so i don't have to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm. i actually have not, to this point, ever carried concealed but i think about it some and might do it eventually. but my firing range is having the CCW class in a couple of weeks and i have been told that it's well worth taking. the expense ain't much and i'm probably doing nothing that day. i've been told that having the permit makes buying guns easier - but i have no difficulty whatsoever buying guns in this state. i fill out the form, lay down the money and walk out the door with my new gun.

so, other than going to another state, what use is a CCW permit to me? i know there are things i would learn in the class that are worth knowing and i would be interested in whatever they teach. so maybe that's enough reason to do it.
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Open carry is in my opinion a reason to be the first one shot.

Or the one that gets approached and is held at gun/knife point to surrender your gun.

I am one who wants all legally armed to be concealed carry for the above reasons.

In addition ,I am 'sure' that all who open carry can stop a gun grab without any chance of a negligent discharge.

But I do not want to be anywhere near that event.
 
I live in a "photo ID to vote" state. Used to be state-issued ID only, but a few years ago they decided to allow some Federal IDs as substitutes.

My main use of my CHCL is as ID when I vote. The lines move slowly; one or more of the election officials will usually ask questions about the card, which lets me give them the 1-minute rundown on who can get it, what it's good for, and that since we're a Constitutional Carry state now, that we don't actually need it when in our own state.

I've had two officials - both women "of a certain age" announce firmly that they were going to get their own CHCL immediately.
 
thunderbyrd said:
i live in Kentucky and pretty much never go out of state (or much of anywhere, really). we have "constitutional carry" here, so i don't have to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm. i actually have not, to this point, ever carried concealed but i think about it some and might do it eventually. but my firing range is having the CCW class in a couple of weeks and i have been told that it's well worth taking. the expense ain't much and i'm probably doing nothing that day. i've been told that having the permit makes buying guns easier - but i have no difficulty whatsoever buying guns in this state. i fill out the form, lay down the money and walk out the door with my new gun.

so, other than going to another state, what use is a CCW permit to me? i know there are things i would learn in the class that are worth knowing and i would be interested in whatever they teach. so maybe that's enough reason to do it.
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Here in TX my LTC has gotten me out of Traffic Tickets. All my Encounters with law enforcement have always been positive. Also since we have enforceable signs it is a defense against prosecution for carrying past signs. Visiting other states. Buying firearms no need to wait on background check. Fill out 4473 take your firearm and leave.
 
Never pass up an opportunity to learn, to make it clear that you are willing to go through a background check, and to simplify the acquisition of firearms. Most of those afraid of showing up on a list are already on many lists they don't know about. If an officer that stops you is aware that you went the extra mile to be vetted and to learn what you should know, they are less likely to assume you are up to no good.
 
Craig_VA said:
Federal law makes it a crime to carry a firearm within 1,000 feet of a K-12 school, UNLESS, you have a carry permit or license. Thus, having a CCW makes it legal to drive past school while carrying.
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This bears repeating. It is a federal offense to carry as stated above, UNLESS you have a carry license issued by the state you are in. Not reciprocity with, it must be ISSUED by that state. That is a major reason why I maintain my Texas resident license to carry. And part of the reason I maintain my Florida non-resident license.
 
Remington1911 said:
Well I don't know about your state, but here in MO we had an issue about a year ago when the feds came in and wanted access to the CCW records.

There was a very big dust up a few counties from where I work. They did not try to come here that I know of. It was a pretty hot deal.

If I am looking for a reason not to this is a pretty big one, this did happen and the feds pushed very hard to get access. Lucky we have laws in this state and our sheriff's told the feds to pound sand.

Not having my name on yet another list might be something to think about.

You can always take the class, learn and not get the CCW.
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Well if you have had a Mo CCW permit back when they were issued through the DMV on either a state issued drivers license or non drivers license then the federal government does have your information. Back when the state issued the permits all that information was released. That is one of the main reasons the laws were changed and the County Sheriff's Office now issues CCW permits.
 
There is one good reason, overall, for getting a CHL/LTC in a permit-less State. It means you can legally traverse the Federal Gun Free School Zone that extends 1000 feet around all schools nationwide (and is year-round, not just limited to when chilluns are in school).

The Federal Statute specifically states that those with State-issued Permits may be in a GFSZ.

As OLNS pointed out, KY allows you, once you have filled out the 4473, to just show the CHL instead of waiting on a NICS (this varies State-to-State).
 
CapnMac said:
There is one good reason, overall, for getting a CHL/LTC in a permit-less State. It means you can legally traverse the Federal Gun Free School Zone that extends 1000 feet around all schools nationwide (and is year-round, not just limited to when chilluns are in school).

The Federal Statute specifically states that those with State-issued Permits may be in a GFSZ.

As OLNS pointed out, KY allows you, once you have filled out the 4473, to just show the CHL instead of waiting on a NICS (this varies State-to-State).
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Being able to transverse gun free school zones is one of the biggest advantages to having a Conceal Carry permit. We had a good discussion about this recently in the legal section IIRC.
 
Gunfu_Blaster.45 said:
You'll just be registered as a gun carrier.
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Which really is not that big of a deal since we all are online posting about firearms that we want or own. Plus the majority of us buy plenty of firearms from FFL's and have filled out 4473's and went through the NICS checks. For those that are really worried about being on any type of list need to realize you are probably already on several lists from just buying firearms from FFLs and also from being on firearm related forums.

And if you are a military veteran then I guarantee you are on a list or three. And if you served after 1993, the federal government has your DNA on file.
 
12Bravo20 said:
Which really is not that big of a deal since we all are online posting about firearms that we want or own. Plus the majority of us buy plenty of firearms from FFL's and have filled out 4473's and went through the NICS checks. For those that are really worried about being on any type of list need to realize you are probably already on several lists from just buying firearms from FFLs and also from being on firearm related forums.

And if you are a military veteran then I guarantee you are on a list or three. And if you served after 1993, the federal government has your DNA on file.
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😳 Yeah, in that case it wouldn't make much of a difference. For the fortunate few, it would, so, it's something to think about.
 
My CCL class instructor (retired State Police) told us that having a CCL gives a LEO a heads up that we are one of the “good guys”. we have passed a background check, been fingerprinted. and showed we respect the law.
I resent mandated CCL, but am glad I took the course.
 
12Bravo20 said:
Well if you have had a Mo CCW permit back when they were issued through the DMV on either a state issued drivers license or non drivers license then the federal government does have your information. Back when the state issued the permits all that information was released. That is one of the main reasons the laws were changed and the County Sheriff's Office now issues CCW permits.
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It is an interesting time when all that happened. We hired a full time person just to do the "public" side of all this. And the Sgt that did the approval, it turned into a full time job. Between researching the people that apply for it, and approve the classes. We also had to buy a new "badge printer". It was a huge pain. Our sheriff also is one of the few that still charges the minimum allowed by the state.

Fast forward to today and it had REALLY dropped off. There are very few people getting them new, and the people that do come in are 90% renewals, I might even say 95%. With that entire mess happening a hundred-ish miles from here it really made people think twice about doing the extra to get the card. And we sit right on the KS border, cross state travel happens daily for a huge number of people in this area, and lots of people just like to have that card if they do this.
 
I know it was a lot of changes when the switch was made. But I feel it is better just to make one stop at the Sheriff's office to get your permit or to renew vs going to the Sheriff's office then also going to the local DMV office. My Sheriff's office always charged the minimum in the past. I have to renew my permit next month so I'll find out if that is still the same. I live halfway between Columbia and the St Louis Metro area.
 
In my state, having a permit can open up a few additional places to carry, and when traveling to other states that share reciprocity with mine it’s good to have.
 
thunderbyrd said:
know there are things i would learn in the class that are worth knowing and i would be interested in whatever they teach. so maybe that's enough reason to do it.
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I wouldn't bet on it. You may be fortunate and get an adequate instructor, or you may get an absolute dud. I accompanied my dad when he finally decided to get his permit thinking I could use a refresher/update. Instructor was a joke with no business teaching anything firearm related. 22:1 student to instructor ratio made it impossible for him to observe everyone. Had people gathered around picnic tables chambering rounds while they prepared for the shooting portion.

And the girl who brought her dad's Ruger Single Six .22 to shoot...neither her nor the instructor knew how to load/unload it.

Permit worthwhile? Absolutely
Class worthwhile? Maybe, maybe not.

*Locally I have encountered a couple of FFL's who no longer accept a CHL and instead call NICS anyway. Said they've had issues with prohibited people who've had their CHL revoked but still had the physical card. That's not to mention most nationwide chain type places who've never accepted a CHL in lieu of a background check.
 
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In Wisconsin, we have Constitutional Carry also. But you would be surprised the number of LEOs that try to F*** with us about what is defined as "Concealed". How about a partner squirrel hunter using .36 cal. Bisley black powder revolver coming out of the woods and his jacket was touching the bottom of his grip. He was warned that constitutes conceal carry in our state. The hunter ended up buying a crossover rig worn on the outside of his jacket across his chest to make all Leo's happy. I got my conceal permit because I happen to go to the "golden arches" for a burger and noticed I was still carrying my oversized hunting sheath knife. No one cared that day in a farm town. But another buddy got into a p*****ng match with a Leo when pulled over for an alleged speeding violation. He teaches Hunter Safety. He quoted chapter and verse to the Leo what constituted illegal conceal carry. The Leo was so frustrated, he left without evenly issuing a warning. The teacher now has a CCW and a fuzz buster.
I had a lighter spring put into a S&W Model 10. When picking it up, I forgot my gun case and told he smithy what should I do in my car.
He said don't you have your CCW? I said sure, and he replied stick under your belt and drive home. And that what I did. No questions asked.
 
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I have a permit in Wyoming which is a constitutional carry state. It's honored in all the states that abut Wyoming. My grandkids live in Colorado. With the permit, I don't need to wait for the "instant" background check.

I don't worry a bit about being on some "list." I would be offended if I wasn't.
 
AlexanderA said:
The racial element is the elephant in the room here. Cops (both white and black) seem to have a problem with black people carrying, even legally. The case of Philando Castile is a black gun owner's worst nightmare. For that reason alone he might be hesitant to apply for a carry permit. He might conclude that it's safer, all things considered, to carry without a permit. So the problem just perpetuates itself.

This is one of the strongest arguments in favor of "constitutional" (permitless) carry.
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It still sounds safer to have the officer aware ahead of time that you are carrying rather than being a surprise. Not to mention it means you have been vetted already.
 
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