What gun suitable for defensive use?

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Four words for you buddy

Avtomat Kalashnikov-Type Semiautomatic

Lots of different kinds of semi auto AKs of all types, for cheap. You would need at least 2000 rounds for SHTF. But why stop there buddy? You will also need a gas mask, chemical suit, some sort of armor, bandoliers to carry all that ammo, boots, lots of canned food, MREs, flint sticks, a good flashlight, ballistic plates, a sidearm, a backup gun, and if you can scrounge up the cash a helicopter would be a good idea.

Also make sure your gun is chambered for .223, thats the NATO round so it will help when you are fighting alongside the National Guard so you guys can share ammo and stuff.

Also invest in some quality tin foil to line your gas mask/helmet with. You know, to prevent the government mind control rays that theyve been using since the Roswell incident. Also make sure to play lots of Call of Duty 4 as it is a very good, realistic war-time simulation.

 

[TexasRifleman]

You're 14...and thinkng about guns? Now I'm sure that many a fourteen year olds have been saved with a handgun.....but........ consider the possibility that you may not have the experience/maturity to have a firearm at this age (for self-defense). This is different from going out hunting or target practice. You will be making life and death situation.

That's a broad brush to paint with.

I had a Mini14, kept loaded with a 30 round mag, in my bedroom, for defensive purposes, from the age of about 13 onward with no parental supervision at all as far as access to the firearm or anything like that.

Living in the country is a whole other world in some ways. OP said he lives on a farm.

In fact, for Texas anyway, there are exemptions in the firearm law to allow persons as young as 14 to have access to firearms in agricultural/farm living situations.

 

[Younggunner]

Ok for everyone that says I'm not fourteen. I don't care what you think. I'm sorry that I'm able to be articulate and express my thoughts well. I apologize for not being the stereotypical teenager that is constantly getting high at school or watching porn at home. I'm sorry I want to learn.
Back to my topic. Are there ways to convert a saiga for a collapsable buttstock without moving the trigger configuration? Someone please answer my question. You're gonna say I'm to little to be thinking about this. Don't bother commenting.

Daniel

 

[Younggunner]

And the ranch rifle I shot was from the 90's.

 

[THE DARK KNIGHT]

Are there ways to convert a saiga for a collapsable buttstock without moving the trigger configuration? Someone please answer my question. You're gonna say I'm to little to be thinking about this. Don't bother commenting.

Theres a bolt on stock/grip with collapsible or folding stock. These are awful. The gun is arguably worse than stock with these. Just convert the Saiga. You can do it for as little as $75. If you live on a farm you've got the tools.

 

[Norinco982lover]

Ok for everyone that says I'm not fourteen. I don't care what you think. I'm sorry that I'm able to be articulate and express my thoughts well. I apologize for not being the stereotypical teenager that is constantly getting high at school or watching porn at home. I'm sorry I want to learn.
Back to my topic. Are there ways to convert a saiga for a collapsable buttstock without moving the trigger configuration? Someone please answer my question. You're gonna say I'm to little to be thinking about this. Don't bother commenting.

yes, very easily. Very very easily. It's actually all 1 part. However...you will be out of compliance if you use more than 10 round magazines. So I highly recommend converting it. I'm sure you and your dad can do it together. It's really really easy. forum.saiga-12.com has great info that will help you. I haven't gotten mine yet (selling my sks with tapco t6 stock this month) but I can't wait to get started in the Saiga world.

~Norinco

 

[Younggunner]

Just saying now. I don't live on a farm. If I wrote that I made a mistake. BUT if we had to leave today the place we would go would be my neighbors very large ranch. As of now I live in northwest Austin. And what is this upgrade for the saiga? My friends dad builds guns all the time, he adjusted the trigger on my 270 a while back. So I'm sure I could just pay him to do it.

 

[Younggunner]

So I can convert it. And stay in compliance with high cap magazines? Sounds like a deal. Unless I can get my hands on a newer ranch rifle.

 

[Norinco982lover]

Just saying now. I don't live on a farm. If I wrote that I made a mistake. BUT if we had to leave today the place we would go would be my neighbors very large ranch. As of now I live in northwest Austin. And what is this upgrade for the saiga? My friends dad builds guns all the time, he adjusted the trigger on my 270 a while back. So I'm sure I could just pay him to do it.

The upgrade just moves the trigger forward (a new trigger group is about $40). It is a much much better trigger and very simple to do. Also, the Saiga's are built in Russia (they are actually AK's) and they were changed from AK's to the Saiga build so they could be imported into the US. Once converted they are a top of the line AK build. They can also use AK magazines.

~Norinco

 

[TexasRifleman]

st saying now. I don't live on a farm. If I wrote that I made a mistake. BUT if we had to leave today the place we would go would be my neighbors very large ranch.

Probably my mistake. You said ranch use and I assumed you lived on one.

 

[Norinco982lover]

good day everybody
i'm looking for a good all around gun for ranch use and defense if needed.

I can understand how we could assume he lived on a ranch

Younggunner, you could also get a Saiga in .308 and leave it stock and use it with the 8 or 10 round magazines as a main battle rifle. Not cheap ammo but it is Nato.

~Norinco

 

[hardluk1]

Several good ideas here. A good 22lr rifle can hit out to 200 yards, not allways a 2" or less but groups can easily shoot 4" at that distance. And like was said, cheap to shoot. Don't know about gun laws where your at on your property but for protection on all your property if you can carry a hand gun then a basic 9 shot 22 revolver with a 4 to 6 inch barrel. Or up grade to a 357 and practice with 38's. If a rifle with a higher capaciity then maybe a lever rifle in 357 would fit the bill. Pick up a used winchester or marlin to a puma. Should be good for some 150 yard + shoots. You know that shotgun with a slug barrel and scope is good out to 150yards and even beyound that a ways for minute of body shots. But so would a 357 lever gun. Hard to carry a rifle around sometimes when out on the property work'n. Maybe the revolver or a pistol like a 9mm? See what the fbi guy says about a pistol on your property. Don't even ask which one!! You allready have a shotgun that can be made to reach out at bit farther than you think,and a 270 for out to where they would want to stick around.

 

[DMK]

I don't think you can go wrong with an M1 carbine, a 20ga shotgun and a Rem 700. A good handgun would be a good addition, but that might be difficult for a teenager.

You need to consider what SHTF is or is likely to be. This could be a very different situation to different people depending on your geography. Take for example the Rodney King riots in LA, vs Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, vs. Hurricane Katrina in rural Mississippi. Then there is the most likely scenario of someone just trying to break into your house and getting surprised because you are home sick or something.

Regardless, the shotgun and carbine should handle any situation. Contrary to some folks opinion, the M1 is very accurate and deadly out to at least 100 yards. You shoot someone anywhere past that and you'll have great difficulty justifying self defense.

 

[Younggunner]

This issue keeps coming up. I do have a 22 it's a marlin model 60, this was my first gun.
I'm still confused about the conversion. I've heard a bunch of answers. You buy the new trigger group, and then this let's you put all sorts of goodies on it, but how does the trigger conversion let you take ak mags? An if I got one in 223 would it take ak 74 mags?
Thanks
Daniel

 

[Gunfighter123]

As for the folks who are chiding this young man, it is not really our place to tell him not to worry about this. Assuming he is telling the truth, his parents obviously feel that he is old enough and, more importantly, responsible enough to handle firearms safely, and use them effectively should the need arise. That's enough reason for me dismiss the notion that he's "too young" or "too immature" for a SHTF gun or inclusion in an emergency family plan.

And I TOTALLY AGREE with Gen. Geoff's comment above.

It always amazes me some of the things a "adult" will say to a young person who comes here to ask a legit question and perhaps LEARN SOMETHING.

 

[Norinco982lover]

This issue keeps coming up. I do have a 22 it's a marlin model 60, this was my first gun.
I'm still confused about the conversion. I've heard a bunch of answers. You buy the new trigger group, and then this let's you put all sorts of goodies on it, but how does the trigger conversion let you take ak mags? An if I got one in 223 would it take ak 74 mags?
Thanks
Daniel

Check out forum.saiga-12.com for answers to these questions. The Saiga + some parts = affordable top of the line AK for under $600.

 

[jakemccoy]

Are there ways to convert a saiga for a collapsable buttstock without moving the trigger configuration? Someone please answer my question. You're gonna say I'm to little to be thinking about this. Don't bother commenting.

If you're interested in a Saiga, then you should waltz on over to http://forum.saiga-12.com, where they talk about all things Saiga.

By the way, I've come across kids like you when I was 14. Actually, I was kind of like you. I was a bit nerdy and into other things, like RC cars, pool plumbing, musical instruments, sports and other crap like that. I suppose if I lived out in the boondocks, I'd be into guns in the same way you are.

Heck, even if you're not really 14, I still knew kids like you growing up. These guys eventually grew and ended up going to schools like MIT and Cal Tech. That includes me.

 

[jackstinson]

He's 14, and as he's stated, 5 foot 8 and 200 pounds.

Yet folks suggest that he sit around and play video games?
Better to strap on that hypothetical 80 pound pack and go hiking on that hypothetical ranch. Not to be rude or anything; but at that young age and high BMI ratio, I'd be more concerned with diabetes or heart disease taking me out long before I would any shtf scenario.

BTW: I don't buy this thread as genuine either.

 

[Coyote3855]

When I was 14 (yeah, I can still remember even though it was 50 years ago), I owned a Remington 870 20 gauge, a Model 70 .30-06, and Remington pump .22. We did duck and cover atom bomb drills in junior high, but SHTF scenarios were not in the public consciousness to the degree the they are today. Still, I had a strong interest in "survival" scenarios and I spent hours assembling "kits" and reading adventure stories. So IMHO, the OP could be legit, although the medic/LEO/last gunshow post and other subsequent posts have me wondering.

 

[Gunfighter123]

Just my 2 cents --- I would not be getting a M1 carbine - it is a little underpowered , not very accurate over 50 yards or so , and finding ammo for it could be hard.

I'd stay with .223 , .308 , or 7.62X39 ----- in a Hell in a Handbasket senerio , these three caliburs , along with .22rf , will be what is mostly found/scrounged as well as a good tradeing item , if need be.

 

[BushyGuy]

My SHTF gun is my trusted Bushmaster Rifle and my SR9mm

 

[travellingJeff]

M1 Garand, I'd say.


Also, ignore the nay sayers, 14 year olds have fought in wars before. You're never too "young" to defend your family!

 

[Younggunner]

For whoever said they were "wondering"
my friends dad is a LEO and has his credentials to prove it:
my dad was in the navy for 20 years, he was on the USS truxton for 3 of those years, it is now out of commission. Look it up if you'd like. He was stationed in San Diego, lamore, (northern California) and Italy and then traveled everywhere else. He met my mom becaus of the navy in Korea.
As for the gunshow. The last time I went to a gunshow with my dad was the SAXET gunshow in Austin. It was before Christmas. I decided I didn't like any ofthe guns in my price range so I went to a pawn shop a week after Christmas with the money from Christmas and decided to buy a guitar. Everything I said is true. I'm pretty sure I spelled truxton wrong though. Other than that, that's what I know.

 

[ccsniper]

Get a WASR-10(Romanian AK-47) for 300 bucks and a case of cheap ammo

sorry those days are gone for now.

get a saiga ak in .223/5.56 and either convert it, or buy the extra expensive mags that they make for it. They also make promags for it.

for those who thinks this is BS, I was preparing for the russian invasion since I was 8 (thank you Red Dawn). It is the ONLY reason I started buying so many guns. Of course that probably won't happen, maybe...

 

[ccsniper]

And we should not overlook the legality of his inquiry. He says that HE wants to own a firearm, which is, strictly speaking, illegal.

In Arkansas it is not. As long as his legal guardians say it is okay.