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Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by JamisJockey, Jun 19, 2004.

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  1. Heraclitus

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    Yes! And I don't smoke the stuff you want. :D :D :D
     
  2. JamisJockey

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    Well, you're the one that went there. Read your first post in this thread.
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  3. GeneC

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    "I have to respond as well. These what if's remind me of that old saying ,"garbage in/ garbage out". What if's are only as good as the realism of the solutions. I happen to agree that what if speculation can be a good thing, but it can be a tragic thing if someone unrealistically thinks they can do a certain thing in a what if, only to find out when it actually happens not only was it the wrong thing, but could possibly be injurious or fatal, especially to someone else."


    Nope, sounds right on topic to me. At ease, Atc, it ain't worth it.
     
  4. GeneC

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    DITTO
     
  5. CrudeGT

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    I have to hand it Gene. The last 2 pages everyone, myself included, has bashed this guy for his opinions. No one wants to admit to being the antagonist, but have. We like What if's, he has issues with some of them, the difference of opinion is perfectly fine. But he has stood his ground for the last week or more and not wavered. I like that, shows dignity. Gene, I removed my last post, since it was not the one you were referring to, and to save bandwidth, and I jsut want to make sure you know that there are no hard feelings, from message board debates.
     
  6. JamisJockey

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    Umm...read the whole post
    See....you did go there. You turned it into a political debate.
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    And, to answer your what if....the Patriot act, taxes, INS and Border Patrol are all bad things. The Patriot act is against the constitution, and most taxes that have been levied are stifling the free economy and our right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
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  7. GeneC

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    (sigh), very well.

    Atc, you didn't actually answer my 'what if'( you just gave your own personal opinion about the INS, Border Patrol and the Patriot Act). Usually, someone proposes a 'what if' and then......wait, this raises a question. What DO people want when they ask a 'what if'? Do they simply want a poll of what each person would do, or do they want (as I do ) the best, most realistic solution, in that case?
     
  8. JamisJockey

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    Okay,
    Even if a Libertarian made it to the Presidency, the best we could hope for is a stalemate with the Congress and Senate on new taxes and any laws that restrict personal freedom. More than likely, the two power parties would band together and have a better than 2/3 majority to keep the President in check.
    Hopefully, we'd see an increase in personal freedom, a decrease in taxes and goverment regulation, and a decrease in the size of the Federal government (especially the bloated beaurcracy...too many chiefs, not enough indians...)

    I think most 'what if's are a combination of both...they'd like to see what other people would do and get realistic solutions. Most the time, its not hard to separate the BS from the good, well thought info.
     
  9. GeneC

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    Well we can certainly agree about the BS part, but the very premise of a poll to find the real solution sets up a bad situation from the get go. I don't think it's a good idea to have both( see, read that , that's bs). You're asking people to give their opinion and then are willing to tell them their idea is bs. Like your idea that a Libertarian President would be a good thing now. I can't believe that you're in the Corps and I know you've studied warfare and know about the Middle East and remember the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beruit in '82, et al. You have to know they're not going to stop 'til the Western World is wiped off the face of the Earth. You have to know since they can't get in at us now is BECAUSE of the INS, the Border Patrol, FBI,CIA, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, et al, they're surrounding us around the world and are waiting for us to drop our defenses. You say that your Pres'll ban and rescind all these protections we have and restore personal freedoms and we''ll all gather 'round and sing 'kumbaya'. That's not realistic (read that, bs). No, the real result of my 'what if''d be,IMO, within a year we'd see multiple '9/11's here in the U.S., only 100 times worse. I'm just glad we'll never know.

    Editted to say: CrudeGT, thanks for your kind and 'upstanding' words, brother.

    Semper Paratus
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    GeneC
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