Lovesbeer99
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So which target it used for each stage? I might want to practice this weekend.
What is Project Appleseed?
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MeanStreaker
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Gewehr98 said:
I absolutely hate to go off-topic, but what's above made me curious.
Thus, I just went and did a search for every one of my posts on here. I counted 11 out of my 178 since I joined in 2005 that discussed Appleseed...
I sure am a one-trick monkey.
Gewehr, I apologize if you think that overwhelming number of posts discuss Appleseed too much. I'm just a big believer in the program.
Even so, let's all try to stick together and support all non-profit grassroots efforts since we know the anti gun rights crowd will be doing their best to divide and conquer us.
cool, so that's actually reasonably close to the national match course except the NMC is 200, 300, 600 yrds and you get 10 minutes instead of 2 minutes for the "slow fire" (since some dude in the pits is pulling and marking your target between each shot) and we get 10 more seconds in the "rapid fire"
so are all the targets squares? and you just make them bigger?
so are all the targets squares? and you just make them bigger?
Interceptor_Knight
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Please begin by looking at This Target AND This Thread... There are no large squares for the AQT. The only squares used at an Appleseed are in the instruction portion.
National Match Course rapid fire requires you to shoot at 1 single target. Appleseed requires you to shoot at multiple targets with a required mag change in most all stages. In the 3rd stage you must shoot at 3 different targets. In the 4th stage, you must shoot at 4 different targets.
3rd Stage is standing to prone 10 rounds into 3 targets in 60 seconds with a required mag change (fire 2 rounds into first target then change mags then 1 more round into first target then 3rds into next and 4 rounds into the last target).
In the respect that you have multiple targets, yes, I am saying that Appleseed is more challenging.
Interceptor_Knight
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No big squares for AQT. Squares are only for instruction and practice. Please reference This Thread for the targets used.
Interceptor_Knight
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The same goes for Green Bay, Shiocton, Racine, etc.. Every week it seems like we add another Appleseed location this year..
I would like to see one at Rapids also.
I hope that you eventually consider joining us and becoming an instructor. You may feel that you do not need Appleseed, but Appleseed sure needs more people like you...
There is no doubt in my mind that you would find little challenge in shooting a Rifleman score. Any accomplished High Power shooter should naturally do well. That isn't the point though. That is no reason to stay away. Appleseed is a good 2 day clinic for shooters to work on the basics and an opportunity for accomplished shooters to help others not so fortunate who have never been exposed to this type of shooting. The mission is focused on the newer shooters. They are the future. Preaching to the choir is a formula of death for the shooting sports.
We certainly are not the only game in town and we are admittedly one of the very newest. The difference is in the amount of new shooters we are reaching and the number of Riflemen and future Riflemen we are making each year. The more Riflemen we make, the higher chance that some of these will spill over into High Power and maybe give that worthy program a boost in interest and participation. The number of High Power shoots in WI has definitely dropped off in recent years along with the numbers of shooters showing up to compete. My home range here in Green Bay (Suamico) Nicolet Rifle Club is feeling the effects with its programs.
Lovesbeer99
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So if this is an effort to get people to learn to shoot better, do we need better guns? I'm thinking that the intention is no, but if I showed up to an event I'd think I'd like to bring my single shot 22 target rifle. It's slow to fire and not capable of a mag change. So how would this affect my experiance at Appleseed? I just sold my 10/22 and my level gun is a pain from prone. My singleshot is extremely accurate and has great sights. So what do you foresee?
Interceptor_Knight
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You can "run what you brung" but the experience would not be the same. You do not need anything better than a 4MOA capable rifle and ammo with you shooting it. You would be able to work on your NPOA, Sight Alignment, Sight Picture, Trigger Control, etc but firing the AQT would be an extra challenge. A single shot would make rapid fire more difficult plus with each shot and reload you are disturbing the rifle position in your shoulder and potentially your NPOA as you contort and attempt to reload quickly. Are you able to utilize a sling with your target rifle??
Whatever you would choose to bring, I believe that it is still an excellent opportunity for you to work on your marksmanship and would benefit from doing so.
Assuming a goal of shooting Rifleman, it would be better to use an unmodified factory 10/22 or Marlin 60 with Tech Sights or even factory sights than to use a uber-accurate single shot bolt gun. The standard we train to is 4MOA. The goal is to shoot a 210 to reach Rifleman. If you are capable of a 210, the next step is to become an instructor. People are discouraged from returning to Appleseeds just to improve their score and are instead encouraged to help others progress to Rifleman. If you can shoot 210 or above, you must have a pretty decent grasp on the basic concepts and can surely practice on your own. We have a nation full of people not capable of shooting a 210 and our mission is to reach these people to get them to that level.
I would encourage you to borrow a rifle to at least bring along in the case that the single shot becomes more trouble than you anticipated. There may even end up being an extra loaner rifle at a shoot if you are lucky.
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Lovesbeer..It is possible to shoot a score of 210 or better with a singleshot bolt action rifle, especially if it is accurate and has a good sight system....But I must stress that practice loading will be of utmost importance, because of the timing issues..10 shots in 50 seconds(the second stage.from standing transition into sitting or kneeling) is challenging...I usually try for 8 perfect shots and have had time for 9 before..but ya gotta reload pretty quick...same with the third stage (from standing transition to prone 10 shots 60 seconds) Mag changes....what mag changes?...
Single shots are like a mag change every shot so no worries there...
I gotta be honest the only times I've done it is because I forgot the mags at home and just had the single shot adapter with me...
Oh well......First ya walk, then ya stoop....Gettin' old is pigeon poop.
Wheeler44
Single shots are like a mag change every shot so no worries there...
I gotta be honest the only times I've done it is because I forgot the mags at home and just had the single shot adapter with me...
Oh well......First ya walk, then ya stoop....Gettin' old is pigeon poop.
Wheeler44
Interceptor_Knight
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If there is an individual who is causing problems, that individual can be dealt with. You can PM me and I can look into it. No matter what you do in life, you will run into people who rub you the wrong way. They are not necessarily a fair representation of the whole organization and most times when their actions are pointed out, the organization can and will deal with them in an appropriate mannor. It could be that this person is not aware of the perception others have of him and his techniques.
In this day and age, there is no reason not to communicate issues through the proper channels as most anyone can be reached by an E-mail.
In this day and age, there is no reason not to communicate issues through the proper channels as most anyone can be reached by an E-mail.
OhhGeeez
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Why I Appleseed
Shooters CENTER-UP!
When and where did the American Revolution begin? I'll give you a hint; it did not BEGIN at Lexington or Concord, and it did not BEGIN on April 19, 1775.
What was it that emboldened men, women and children to sacrifice their homes, families and their VERY LIVES to birth this free nation, America, that we now enjoy? Preservation of liberty and freedom was foremost in their hearts and minds and they were willing to die for it. We MUST remember them and their stories. Besides a really good rifle marksmanship course, this is what Appleseed does.
Some Americans have NEVER heard these stories. Men women and children will attend Appleseeds in 2009, and will be reminded and connected to the stories of 1775. (women and children will attend FREE, thus more and more NEW American shooters are born who might not otherwise even think about going to a shooting event). They may come to shoot, and that is fun, important, and necessary, but they will hear the history and hopefully come to the realization of the sacrifices made for us.
The combination of shooting AND American history can be life changing. It awakens Americans, and we become better Americans. This combination in Appleseed brings HOPE to our present times. Please do not underestimate the power of the events surrounding April 19, 1775. It is why I Appleseed.
"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it."
- John Adams
OhhGeeez
P.S. I'll be at the Lodi Appleseed on April 18-19, and hope to meet some more of you Wisconsin and Great Lakes region shooters. At this point in history, IMHO, I think we all need to get TOGETHER. MANY buckets are needed to help bail the USS America.
Shooters CENTER-UP!
When and where did the American Revolution begin? I'll give you a hint; it did not BEGIN at Lexington or Concord, and it did not BEGIN on April 19, 1775.
What was it that emboldened men, women and children to sacrifice their homes, families and their VERY LIVES to birth this free nation, America, that we now enjoy? Preservation of liberty and freedom was foremost in their hearts and minds and they were willing to die for it. We MUST remember them and their stories. Besides a really good rifle marksmanship course, this is what Appleseed does.
Some Americans have NEVER heard these stories. Men women and children will attend Appleseeds in 2009, and will be reminded and connected to the stories of 1775. (women and children will attend FREE, thus more and more NEW American shooters are born who might not otherwise even think about going to a shooting event). They may come to shoot, and that is fun, important, and necessary, but they will hear the history and hopefully come to the realization of the sacrifices made for us.
The combination of shooting AND American history can be life changing. It awakens Americans, and we become better Americans. This combination in Appleseed brings HOPE to our present times. Please do not underestimate the power of the events surrounding April 19, 1775. It is why I Appleseed.
"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it."
- John Adams
OhhGeeez
P.S. I'll be at the Lodi Appleseed on April 18-19, and hope to meet some more of you Wisconsin and Great Lakes region shooters. At this point in history, IMHO, I think we all need to get TOGETHER. MANY buckets are needed to help bail the USS America.
22-rimfire
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Related question... you mention Fred or Freds... Is this the same person who started "FREDS" stores. They are kind of like a dollar store.
Interceptor_Knight
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No....
Interceptor_Knight
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I asked a Jr High shooter at our local range last year what they could tell me about Paul Revere's Ride. Their answer was..
"Didn't he yell The Confederates Are Coming??"
I proceeded to give them a little nudge onto the right path.....
Buckskinner
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AQT Targets:
Here is an old post on a different forum about the targets, including pix of the shot targets.
On the package of "AQT" targets, each of the four targets have course of fire instructions.
http://www.libertysprice.org/yabbse/index.php?topic=1839.0
On a different thread there, I described my experience shooting that AQT.
I think these AQT targets are still the foundation of an Appleseed.
Shooting these targets according to instructions is challenging.
Here is an old post on a different forum about the targets, including pix of the shot targets.
On the package of "AQT" targets, each of the four targets have course of fire instructions.
http://www.libertysprice.org/yabbse/index.php?topic=1839.0
On a different thread there, I described my experience shooting that AQT.
I think these AQT targets are still the foundation of an Appleseed.
Shooting these targets according to instructions is challenging.
Kymasabe
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I've been there !!
Hey all, I've been to an Appleseed shoot attended on in Orlando almost two years ago. And yes, Fred was there.
I do read Shotgun News and I don't read Freds articles anymore, most are just too far over the edge for me. But, at the Appleseed shoot, Fred didn't mention a single word of the dribble he usually publishes in ShotgunNews. He spoke of the historical events of April 19, 1775 and that was it. We split up into our different firing lines, were introduced to our instructors and went on with the day. No matter how long you've been shooting or how well you think you shoot, everyone can learn something at an Appleseed shoot.
It's a very friendly atmosphere, there were families there with kids shooting, the instruction was excellent and I'd recommend it to everyone.
It's also probably the cheapest marksmanship training around and I think kids shoot for free. We did go thru aprox 200-250 rounds per day so show up stocked up but considering that it's an all-day shoot, that's not too bad. I used to shoot that much in a few hours shooting trap so 250 rounds seems "normal" to me. To only go out and shoot 50 rounds is a waste of time.
Anyway...it's a great time and you're really missing out if you don't treat yourself to a day or two of Appleseed. You don't have to do both days, you can do Saturday only if you want to. It's not some heavy, para-military, new American Revolution recruitment site or anything. I think what they're trying to do is encourage gun owners to shoot, shoot more, and encourage others to learn to shoot and become gun owners. It's strengthens the gun industry and helps protect our 2nd Amendment rights if more of us have something to loose. Promoting the sport and encouring new shooters is the only agenda that I see.
Regarding equipment, a semi-auto is definately best choice but I was on the firing line with guys with bolt action Mosin's. Mag-fed is best but the SKS shooters had no problems keeping up with their stripper clips. There were piles of AR-15's, some Cetme's and FAL's, Garands, M14's, a few AK's, lots of SKS's and huge numbers of .22 cal rifles. I used my Bulgarian AK on day one and switched to my Ruger 10/22 on day two...and yes, I earned my Rifleman patch with my 10/22.
So, go borrow a buddies 10/22 or whatever, takes cheap ammo, and go have fun.
Don't knock it, it's a good time, you'll learn alot.
Hey all, I've been to an Appleseed shoot attended on in Orlando almost two years ago. And yes, Fred was there.
I do read Shotgun News and I don't read Freds articles anymore, most are just too far over the edge for me. But, at the Appleseed shoot, Fred didn't mention a single word of the dribble he usually publishes in ShotgunNews. He spoke of the historical events of April 19, 1775 and that was it. We split up into our different firing lines, were introduced to our instructors and went on with the day. No matter how long you've been shooting or how well you think you shoot, everyone can learn something at an Appleseed shoot.
It's a very friendly atmosphere, there were families there with kids shooting, the instruction was excellent and I'd recommend it to everyone.
It's also probably the cheapest marksmanship training around and I think kids shoot for free. We did go thru aprox 200-250 rounds per day so show up stocked up but considering that it's an all-day shoot, that's not too bad. I used to shoot that much in a few hours shooting trap so 250 rounds seems "normal" to me. To only go out and shoot 50 rounds is a waste of time.
Anyway...it's a great time and you're really missing out if you don't treat yourself to a day or two of Appleseed. You don't have to do both days, you can do Saturday only if you want to. It's not some heavy, para-military, new American Revolution recruitment site or anything. I think what they're trying to do is encourage gun owners to shoot, shoot more, and encourage others to learn to shoot and become gun owners. It's strengthens the gun industry and helps protect our 2nd Amendment rights if more of us have something to loose. Promoting the sport and encouring new shooters is the only agenda that I see.
Regarding equipment, a semi-auto is definately best choice but I was on the firing line with guys with bolt action Mosin's. Mag-fed is best but the SKS shooters had no problems keeping up with their stripper clips. There were piles of AR-15's, some Cetme's and FAL's, Garands, M14's, a few AK's, lots of SKS's and huge numbers of .22 cal rifles. I used my Bulgarian AK on day one and switched to my Ruger 10/22 on day two...and yes, I earned my Rifleman patch with my 10/22.
So, go borrow a buddies 10/22 or whatever, takes cheap ammo, and go have fun.
Don't knock it, it's a good time, you'll learn alot.
T191032
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Now more than ever is the time to get out to an Appleseed. If you own a .22, then you can shooting relatively cheaply and learn or improve your marksmanship skills. Some people want to know what you can use, well in these tough economic times, a .22 LR is certainly welcome. Other calibers welcome are .223 to .30-06 levels. No "BIG" bores like .338 or .50 BMGs.
Here is helpful info on the Appleseed Project :
To help some "find their way" I isolated and decided to post some links that should help others searching for things. . .
http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_freds_plan.htm
http://appleseedinfo.org/blog/
http://appleseedshoot.blogspot.com/
http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com...ing-rifle.html
http://appleseedshoot.blogspot.com/
http://ironat500.blogspot.com/2007/07/aqt-target.html
Thread about the Tech Sights :
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...aining +Rifle
No pics, but some more cross-pollination for reference :
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...ight=Appleseed
Here's well, 37 pages worth of "Liberty Training Rifle" or "ALTR" as I call it. The Blogspot is just a "fluff" portion (the basic goodies, no extra filler. . . Oh my, starting to sound like a commerical )
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.p... 41&topic=32.0
LTR PARTS LIST
ESSENTIAL
Tech Sights TSR-100 $55.00, TSR-200 are $69.00 http://www.tech-sights.com/
Tech Sights TSM-200 (Fits Marlins) $69.00
From Midway http://www.midwayusa.com
1 ¼” Sling swivels & studs $8.99 item 190783 wood stock
item 705310 plastic stock
USGI Garand sling $ 10.29 item 777813 green
item 174603 black
RECOMMENDED
Sight adj. tool $6.99 item 260328
Extended mag release $4.49 item 662086 (Ruger 10/22)
Bolt release/hammer set $35.99 item 145851 (Ruger 10/22)
Spare magazines (get 3) $12.99 item 252579 (Ruger 10/22)
Snap caps $6.99 item 521044
Bore snake $14.99 item 260083
OPTIONAL
Recoil buffer $8.19 item 554518 (Ruger 10/22)
More information can be found here: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=32.0
Here is helpful info on the Appleseed Project :
To help some "find their way" I isolated and decided to post some links that should help others searching for things. . .
http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/as_freds_plan.htm
http://appleseedinfo.org/blog/
http://appleseedshoot.blogspot.com/
http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com...ing-rifle.html
http://appleseedshoot.blogspot.com/
http://ironat500.blogspot.com/2007/07/aqt-target.html
Thread about the Tech Sights :
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...aining +Rifle
No pics, but some more cross-pollination for reference :
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...ight=Appleseed
Here's well, 37 pages worth of "Liberty Training Rifle" or "ALTR" as I call it. The Blogspot is just a "fluff" portion (the basic goodies, no extra filler. . . Oh my, starting to sound like a commerical )
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.p... 41&topic=32.0
LTR PARTS LIST
ESSENTIAL
Tech Sights TSR-100 $55.00, TSR-200 are $69.00 http://www.tech-sights.com/
Tech Sights TSM-200 (Fits Marlins) $69.00
From Midway http://www.midwayusa.com
1 ¼” Sling swivels & studs $8.99 item 190783 wood stock
item 705310 plastic stock
USGI Garand sling $ 10.29 item 777813 green
item 174603 black
RECOMMENDED
Sight adj. tool $6.99 item 260328
Extended mag release $4.49 item 662086 (Ruger 10/22)
Bolt release/hammer set $35.99 item 145851 (Ruger 10/22)
Spare magazines (get 3) $12.99 item 252579 (Ruger 10/22)
Snap caps $6.99 item 521044
Bore snake $14.99 item 260083
OPTIONAL
Recoil buffer $8.19 item 554518 (Ruger 10/22)
More information can be found here: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=32.0
the only ting i have against Fred,is he keeps asking "Are you a cook,or a rifleman?"
my grandfather was 35 in ww1 and the old man in the unit. he became chief cook and bottle washer,and major factucom,for his wide variety of skills.
my father says grand dad frequently hit three qual with a double barell muzzle loading shot gun. i consider him a fair rifleman.
does'nt the ranger battalions have cooks? bet they can shoot,too.
my grandfather was 35 in ww1 and the old man in the unit. he became chief cook and bottle washer,and major factucom,for his wide variety of skills.
my father says grand dad frequently hit three qual with a double barell muzzle loading shot gun. i consider him a fair rifleman.
does'nt the ranger battalions have cooks? bet they can shoot,too.
Appleseeds
I brought a buddy that shoots NRA HP competitions and he had a blast.
Yes, he made Rifleman, but it weren't as easy as he thought it would be.
He told me that even he learnt much in two days (he only planned to attend one day, but decided to stay for Sunday).
Anyone that thinks Fred is "crazy" has never met him - I have. He's very driven alright, but his heart is 100% in the right place and he has given everything to the Appleseeds project.
Anyone that thinks there is anything "nutty" about Appleseeds has never been to an event - that is a fact.
The people that I have met at Appleseeds events are the best - just regular folks - lots of families, as it is definitely family friendly.
Saving a country by trying to maintain the traditions of the Founders is a hard sell in a country where the newest flat panel TV is more important than life itself to many.
I attended two events and the shoot boss asked me if I would like to serve as an "instructor in training". I said I would and I have now worked my way up to shoot boss myself.
The time I have spent in service to Applseeds stands as my proudest accomplishment to date. That may sound corny and some here might take great fun in ridiculing me for it. That's OK - the first thing an instructor is required to do is to check his / her ego at the door.
I see America circling the drain and spent years ranting about it. All that ranting got me acid reflux and a lot of gray hair - it got my country even less.
Now I git to actually do something for Liberty and it feels good. At the end of every event I ask all the shooters a hard question - I ask them who is responsible for all of America's troubles. Is it the politicians, is it the media?
Then I git to stand in front of a crowd of regular Americans whilst they look me in the eye and say without hesitation- No! It's OUR fault!
Hard to put a price on that for a man like me.
If any of you feel the same - please consider affording us your presence at an event. Nothing weird - nothing subversive or illegal. Just marksmanship and history and a bunch of "common" folks spending a weekend together honoring thems that came before us.
On April 19th, 1775 our ancestors purchased, in our stead, at a cost of blood and sacrifice, the freedom that allows us to speak our minds here on this fine forum. We have been coasting on their brave and selfless deeds for over two centuries.
I have seen many an expert shooter humbled by the storied AQT target and more than one growed man git moist in the eyes at the telling of the true stories of his ancestors bravery and sacrifice.
Half the attendees shoot for free these days and frankly if weren't for a lot of people donating their time, their effort and even their own money - the program would have died long ago.
I have given a lot to the program, so have many others, but nobody has given more than Fred and his wife.
Maybe Lady Liberty will "leave the building" one day, but nobody can say honestly that active Appleseeders stood by and just let it happen!
Fred told me once that the program is strictly results based (I was whining about how hard I was working at the time as I recall). It doesn't matter how hard we work - only whether or not we succeed. Much like shooting at a target. It matters little how many rounds you put down range - only the hits count!
Success to us would be an Applseeder in the Whitehouse who honors his or her heritage and the ideals of the men and women that rested this great nation from the bonds of tyranny so long ago.
Is that such a bad thing?
I brought a buddy that shoots NRA HP competitions and he had a blast.
Yes, he made Rifleman, but it weren't as easy as he thought it would be.
He told me that even he learnt much in two days (he only planned to attend one day, but decided to stay for Sunday).
Anyone that thinks Fred is "crazy" has never met him - I have. He's very driven alright, but his heart is 100% in the right place and he has given everything to the Appleseeds project.
Anyone that thinks there is anything "nutty" about Appleseeds has never been to an event - that is a fact.
The people that I have met at Appleseeds events are the best - just regular folks - lots of families, as it is definitely family friendly.
Saving a country by trying to maintain the traditions of the Founders is a hard sell in a country where the newest flat panel TV is more important than life itself to many.
I attended two events and the shoot boss asked me if I would like to serve as an "instructor in training". I said I would and I have now worked my way up to shoot boss myself.
The time I have spent in service to Applseeds stands as my proudest accomplishment to date. That may sound corny and some here might take great fun in ridiculing me for it. That's OK - the first thing an instructor is required to do is to check his / her ego at the door.
I see America circling the drain and spent years ranting about it. All that ranting got me acid reflux and a lot of gray hair - it got my country even less.
Now I git to actually do something for Liberty and it feels good. At the end of every event I ask all the shooters a hard question - I ask them who is responsible for all of America's troubles. Is it the politicians, is it the media?
Then I git to stand in front of a crowd of regular Americans whilst they look me in the eye and say without hesitation- No! It's OUR fault!
Hard to put a price on that for a man like me.
If any of you feel the same - please consider affording us your presence at an event. Nothing weird - nothing subversive or illegal. Just marksmanship and history and a bunch of "common" folks spending a weekend together honoring thems that came before us.
On April 19th, 1775 our ancestors purchased, in our stead, at a cost of blood and sacrifice, the freedom that allows us to speak our minds here on this fine forum. We have been coasting on their brave and selfless deeds for over two centuries.
I have seen many an expert shooter humbled by the storied AQT target and more than one growed man git moist in the eyes at the telling of the true stories of his ancestors bravery and sacrifice.
Half the attendees shoot for free these days and frankly if weren't for a lot of people donating their time, their effort and even their own money - the program would have died long ago.
I have given a lot to the program, so have many others, but nobody has given more than Fred and his wife.
Maybe Lady Liberty will "leave the building" one day, but nobody can say honestly that active Appleseeders stood by and just let it happen!
Fred told me once that the program is strictly results based (I was whining about how hard I was working at the time as I recall). It doesn't matter how hard we work - only whether or not we succeed. Much like shooting at a target. It matters little how many rounds you put down range - only the hits count!
Success to us would be an Applseeder in the Whitehouse who honors his or her heritage and the ideals of the men and women that rested this great nation from the bonds of tyranny so long ago.
Is that such a bad thing?
Lovesbeer99
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PHenry, thanks for the update, but that sounds a little political and soap box speaking. I'm not in anyway dishouring our heritage or those who have fought for our rights but I thought politics was left out of Appleseed. I thought it was just shooting skills followed by some history.
I'll attend one if any are in NJ cause I really have to see this now. I've heard so much, and most of it was defensive to the point of anger and prejudice. There was a person earlier who claimed that I should teach people to shoot, but never onced asked me if I did. The assumption was that if I don't teach at Appleseed, I don't teach? Not at boyscouts, at 4H, at my local club?
I love patriotism and I'm patriotic myself, but I don't like politics at my concerts, at my kids soccer game, or at my weekend shoots just to name a few.
If any are coming to NJ, I'll make every effort to show up, but I hope the promise of "no political speaches" is true or I'll be disappointed.
I'll attend one if any are in NJ cause I really have to see this now. I've heard so much, and most of it was defensive to the point of anger and prejudice. There was a person earlier who claimed that I should teach people to shoot, but never onced asked me if I did. The assumption was that if I don't teach at Appleseed, I don't teach? Not at boyscouts, at 4H, at my local club?
I love patriotism and I'm patriotic myself, but I don't like politics at my concerts, at my kids soccer game, or at my weekend shoots just to name a few.
If any are coming to NJ, I'll make every effort to show up, but I hope the promise of "no political speaches" is true or I'll be disappointed.
I don't think he is crazy, more like borderline huckster the way he keeps his M14 Stock site going without putting a real warning up like "you can order but you will never get your stock but it's OK because I will not charge your credit card, well except for those whose cards I did charge, sorry about that".
Nothing against appleseed I believe it is a good thing but I can see how it can attract some dbags. Guns, big trucks, fast cars, large breasts and fighting/guard dogs generally do. You just have to ignore them.
Jeremy2171
Member
Nah..I still think "Fred" has issues... nothing against the program but "Fred" has problems and is not a full 2d Ammendment supporter as he leads to believe.
Dragk913
Member
The First Rule of Project Appleseed is: You do not talk about Project Appleseed.
The Second Rule of Project Appleseed is: You do NOT talk about Project Appleseed.
The Third Rule of Project Appleseed is: If someone says "stop" or "cease fire", the shoot is over.
The Fourth Rule of Project Appleseed is: Only one guy to a lane.
The Fifth Rule of Project Appleseed is: Only one range at a time.
The Sixth Rule of Project Appleseed is: Wear all protective gear.
The Seventh Rule of Project Appleseed is: Shoots will go on as long as they have to.
The Eighth Rule of Project Appleseed is: If this is your first time at the event, you HAVE to shoot.
Sorry, I have too much time on my hands..
if you don't understand the "rules" go watch the movie Fight Club with Brad Pitt.
The Second Rule of Project Appleseed is: You do NOT talk about Project Appleseed.
The Third Rule of Project Appleseed is: If someone says "stop" or "cease fire", the shoot is over.
The Fourth Rule of Project Appleseed is: Only one guy to a lane.
The Fifth Rule of Project Appleseed is: Only one range at a time.
The Sixth Rule of Project Appleseed is: Wear all protective gear.
The Seventh Rule of Project Appleseed is: Shoots will go on as long as they have to.
The Eighth Rule of Project Appleseed is: If this is your first time at the event, you HAVE to shoot.
Sorry, I have too much time on my hands..
if you don't understand the "rules" go watch the movie Fight Club with Brad Pitt.
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