What is the bare minimum amount of ammo that you should have for each gun?

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I have 12 guns, but only 9 do I view as real shooters for various reasons. The ones I do have are a Yugo SKS 7.62x39 (I have a MAK-90 in layaway), Marlin 1894 .44Mag, Enfield Jungle Carbine .303, Mosin-Nagant M1938, Swiss K31 7.5x55, Ruger 10/22 .22LR, HiPoint 996 9mm, Remington 870 Express Magnum and a Mossberg 500 Pursuader 12Gauge. With so may weapons, I really don't know the best way to divide money for ammo between them. I'm a poor college student, and funds are limited. I own what I own b/c I find good deals, or fear the laws may change, and I won't be able to purchase something, thats why I have this collection. I've already decided that 700 rounds is enough .22LR CCI MiniMag for now. But what do you guys think should be bare-bones minimum for each?
 
For what reason? For home protection and/or hunting? or stocking up on supplies for SHTF? Well to make this easy, 2,000 rounds "minimum" per firearm. But you're going to feel comfortable at 4,000+ per gun. Extra magazines, parts (bolts, springs, cleaning supplies, etc) are equally as important. Make some storage space, and if you plan on storing the majority of your ammo cache for a long long time, you should seal it from moisture.
 
It is a shtf/emergency/storage stockpile. I really am considering "decommisioning" more rifles, to save on ammo costs.
 
Yugo SKS 7.62x39 (I have a MAK-90 in layaway): Mothball it/them for now. Wait until more 7.62x39 gets into the US, or else you're gonna get hosed on ammo prices. Get stripper clips for the SKS, though--and when the ammo does come back, store 2,000-3,000.
Marlin 1894 .44Mag: I would keep 500 rounds.
Enfield Jungle Carbine .303: Mothball, and buy ammo only when you find a good deal. .303 Brit is no longer cost-effective.
Mosin-Nagant M1938: Spam cans of 440 rounds are everywhere, and cheap. Get two or three of 'em.
Swiss K31 7.5x55: Until Wolf gets off their rears and gets Golden Wolf going, mothball it.
Ruger 10/22 .22LR: 10,000 rounds. It's so cheap, it'll cost you ~$100, and you'll never run out.
HiPoint 996 9mm: 1,000-1,500 rounds. Good medium-range use, ideal if the SHTF and you're in an urban or suburban environment.
Remington 870 Express Magnum: Get 4-5 25rd boxes of slugs, same amount of 0-000 buckshot, and a 150rd "field pack" of Federal #8 bird shot.
Mossberg 500 Persuader 12ga: See above.

Note: I am not an inventory clerk nor professional logisician; I have never been in combat save for video games, paintball, and rubber band wars; and this is only an opinion from a lowly gun salesman.
 
Decomissioning 9 to a minimum of 4 for special purposes is OK. I wouldn't go any less than 4. In an actual firefight, you will need a quick back up with plenty of ammunition/magazines (pre loaded) to boot. This is incase there was ever a mechanical malfunction which required stripping down the weapon. Case in point: On my Rem 870, I was loading in some 2 3/4" shells. I didn't push one of them into the feeder tube far enough and the spring pushed it back over that lever underneath. The shotgun was basically useless until I popped the pins and disassembled the whole thing, removed the shell, then reassembled.
 
Ruger 10/22 .22LR: 10,000 rounds. It's so cheap, it'll cost you ~$100, and you'll never run out.

you would think that would be true, but I had that much ammo at one time, and I am down to a paltry 1000 rounds or so, and I know for a fact that I will be out of that by the time 2007 rolls around, unless I just stop shooting my .22's... I think that I have run through those 9000 round inside 2 years, and that doesn't include my dad supplementing my stash with the occasional brick or two that he finds on sale, so really, I have probably run through about 12,000 or so rounds in that 2 year time frame. Still, 10,000 rounds really isn't all that pricey, and it will last you a while, so I agree in principal with stashing that much away. Also, if you get stripper clips for your SKS, my advice is to sit down and load them all up with all the ammo you have. its time consuming and it sucks, but when you need it, it will really, really be nice to have it all ready to go, and that even holds true for simple range trips. My buddy loaded up 1000 rounds on stripper clips with a friend of his while watching a Nuggets game one time, and I loaded up 500 rounds on my own one time, and it was a delight to have it ready, even though I burned all mine up on the range.
 
you can only carry so much ammo at a time, and so many rifles at a time.

Pick one.

Stock up on shtf ammo for that.

Practice with it.

Your 9mm carbine and .22's are cheap to shoot but the hi-point doesn't hold many rounds.

The 1894 can be continously topped off and is accurate out to 150 yards... that is a serious weapon.

The Ak is 'on the way' .. stock up on 7.62x39.

I always have a case of shotshells on hand + 40 rounds of slugs and 40 or so of buckshot.

Lots of ammo for my 'homeland security' rifle. 500+ rds

Lots of ammo for my hunting rifle. 200+ rds

Lots of .22 ammo. 5000+

Lots of ammo for a practical handgun. 500+
 
My current tool kit - mostly acquired over the last few months - is:

870P in 12 ga.
9mm Kahr K9
SW 642 in .38 spl
CZ 452 in .22LR.

hope soon to acquire centerfire rifle
suitable for deer/antelope.
{caliber as yet undertermined,
but leaning towards .30-06 now...}

that's about as big as it'll get for a while,
cause that's about as big a tool kit as i'll need.

rnds for each are still on low side
as i've been mostly about building the kit first.

intended numbers vary a bit.

predicted:

12 ga: 50 slugs, 300 00, 300 04, a bunch of #7 & 8
500-1000 9mm
500-1000 38 spl
as many .22LR as I can carry
(love tree rats)
100-500 .30-06 from 120-170 gr.

Just thinking out loud.
No truth implied.
Estimates WILL change over time.

Nem
 
I have 12 guns, but only 9 do I view as real shooters for various reasons. The ones I do have are a Yugo SKS 7.62x39 (I have a MAK-90 in layaway), Marlin 1894 .44Mag, Enfield Jungle Carbine .303, Mosin-Nagant M1938, Swiss K31 7.5x55, Ruger 10/22 .22LR, HiPoint 996 9mm, Remington 870 Express Magnum and a Mossberg 500 Pursuader 12Gauge. With so may weapons, I really don't know the best way to divide money for ammo between them. I'm a poor college student, and funds are limited. I own what I own b/c I find good deals, or fear the laws may change, and I won't be able to purchase something, thats why I have this collection. I've already decided that 700 rounds is enough .22LR CCI MiniMag for now. But what do you guys think should be bare-bones minimum

7.62x39 is plentiful and therefore is "in"

.44 mag cowboy action is good for shorter range rifle shooting, but I would vote it "out"

.303 is British. It's nostalgic and would not dependable in large quantities. Vote it "out"

7.5x55??:confused: What the ..... "OUT!"

10/22 and 22 LR or short are "in"

9 mm is "in"

12 Gauge is "in"
 
It is a shtf/emergency/storage stockpile

This simplifies your problem considerably. In such a situation, pick one or two guns that you believe will meet your requirements, and stock up for them. Ignore the rest, and stock only smaller quantities of plinking ammo for them.

Ideally, in an emergency situation, you'll want a rifle that can handle defence, hunting, etc. A 7.62x39mm. will do this out to reasonable ranges (say 150 yards or so) with the right ammo (soft-point hunting loads for game, ordinary FMJ or HP rounds for defence). Put up a couple of thousand rounds in storage, and have enough on stripper clips or in magazines to form a useful load if you have to carry it out.

A shotgun is a useful weapon for the same scenarios, except at shorter ranges. I'd stock up on a few hundred rounds of buckshot and slugs, with a similar quantity of birdshot for hunting and practice. However, if you have to bug out, this ammo is much bulkier and heavier than carbine/rifle ammo, so you'll be limited in what you can take with you (unless you're travelling by vehicle, in which case your problem is simplified).

You should also have a decent supply of ammo for your defensive handgun. Have enough ball ammo for practice, plus a couple of hundred rounds of your chosen defensive load, and enough magazines or speedloaders to carry a decent supply with you, ready to use.

Finally, .22LR is cheap, small and light - keep plenty on hand.
 
So none of you guys would rely on a swiss k31, Enfield #5mk1, or Mosin-Nagant M38 as a long-range rifle? Or would I be better off just keeping these as collecter's items? I want at least one long-range SHTF weapon, something bolt-action, not too expensive to shoot. I only mentioned those because I already have them.
 
I think the M38 or the K31 would make ideal medium and long range tools; providing they shoot well enough (which most of them do and then some).

I find myself in agreement with Dr. Rob's suggestions in general with some modification. While it is generally only practical to carry one rifle when on foot, a modular approach to planning will allow you to accumilate whatever you can afford to buy up if you are sitting tight at home - as space allows. Weight is not generally not going to be a problem.

With a wheeled vehicle, even a good sized truck, some things might have to be left behind, and if the time comes where wheels can not go - or the wheels have stopped going altogther - it is going to be what you can pack on your back, belt and pockets etc, or perhaps load on a small offroad motorccycle if you have one.

So it is wise IMO to structure your equipment, supplies etc with ready-to-go smaller units; rather like an analogy of a big box of goodies, with a smaller one inside, and a smaller one inside that one. The smallest one is the one you grab - ready to go - on foot, the next one for a horse or good sized offroad motorcycle, larger for the truck etc.

Not that everything should be in one package or box; but that everything is packed according to a proven plan of reasonable loads, already sorted, and in one place if possible. So you do not have to start making decisions, choices and searching for things at the last minute that should have been already planned and organized and packed. If you stay at home; it's all there and anything can be accessed for use if needed. If you have to move, load up and go.

Just remember that ammo - even .22 RF in large quantities - is heavy, and make the best use of the limits set by each method of conveyance.
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There is so much useful information in this thread as to boggle my biologist mind.

IMO, pay particular attention to P'man & Lak.

+3

Lak seems to write of fractal preparation.

Lak said:
So it is wise IMO to structure your equipment, supplies etc with ready-to-go smaller units; rather like an analogy of a big box of goodies, with a smaller one inside, and a smaller one inside that one. The smallest one is the one you grab - ready to go - on foot, the next one for a horse or good sized offroad motorcycle, larger for the truck etc.
Fractals are defined as objects or images that are self-similar at many scales; i.e., the parts look like the whole.

Ferns, trees and other plants are fractal because a part of it (branch, frond) is similar to the whole.

Similarly, a big box of goodies, with a smaller one inside, and a smaller one inside of that one...is good to go.

Interesting reading.

Nem
 
Geez, I though you were going to go off on Mandelbrot and random algorithms. I agree with your first post, Nem. That number of rounds sounds reasonable.

If your Jungle Carbine is 100% reliable in feeding, I say keep it in the loop. S&B and American Eagle both make new .303 Brit so you don't have to take a chance on surplus Pakistani crap.
 
I did an exact ammo count. This is what I have RIGHT NOW:

.22LR - 1010 (all CCI MiniMag)
7.62x39 - 701 (99% Wolf hp)
12 Gauge - 462 (50% is Buckshot, 35% is slugs, 15% is #6)
9mm Luger - 338 (All Winchester White-Box 115gr fmj)
.44Mag - 171 (80% is PMC 240gr jhp, 20% is CCI Blazer 240gr jhp)
7.62x54r - 150 (all 80's surplus, corrosive)
.303 - 70 (50% is Wolf Premium sp, 50% is sellier&bellot fmj)
7.5x55 - 60 (GP11)

I am still debating on which calibers need more and which guns are going to be mothballed...
 
I think that I have run through those 9000 round inside 2 years,
I spent 5000 rounds of .22LR in the last year.

Hmmm, just off the top of my head I have...

~1500 of .223/5.56 - I'd like to add 1000 to that.
I ordered more of Leising's load but he's out of business :(
~ 300 of Wolf and 150 or so of high qualtiy 7.62 x 39 for the bolt action carbine
~500 .22 LR (need more)
~400 .32 H&R Mag
~500 .45 Ball
~500 .45 LSWC (target load)
~ 500 9mm
50 #8 or so 20 Ga
50 #4 20 ga

EOTWAWKI defense aside this should be plenty to keep us eating for a while
 
Yugo SKS 7.62x39 (I have a MAK-90 in layaway),
Marlin 1894 .44Mag,
Enfield Jungle Carbine .303,
Mosin-Nagant M1938, S
wiss K31 7.5x55,
Ruger 10/22 .22LR,
HiPoint 996 9mm,
Remington 870 Express Magnum and a
Mossberg 500 Pursuader 12Gauge.
When the excrement impacts the rotary air mover, you are going to be suspect with any thing other than a lever, Shotgun or a 22

22LR - 1010 (all CCI MiniMag)
So my suggestion is to keep the CCImini mag in your kit and buy some Wally world cheap stuff and shoot that, CCI is expensive for shoot em up ammo.

7.62x39 - 701 (99% Wolf hp)
Load the Wolf up and pack it for a real SHTF in a bunker down sit. Semi mothball this one in the back of the closet.

12 Gauge - 462 (50% is Buckshot, 35% is slugs, 15% is #6)
Couple of 25 round packs/boxes of slugs and buck and #3s or #4s and as much 8s as you can afford, when you do take it out for a day, buy what you plan on shooting and put it in the back of you pile and rotate old front.

9mm Luger - 338 (All Winchester White-Box 115gr fmj)
2000 can be picked up fairly easy, buy 2 boxes shoot one, store one

.44Mag - 171 (80% is PMC 240gr jhp, 20% is CCI Blazer 240gr jhp)
500 rounds, 2000 bullets/primers/powder, Start reloading

Pick your favorite and mothball the others.
7.62x54r - 150 (all 80's surplus, corrosive)
.303 - 70 (50% is Wolf Premium sp, 50% is sellier&bellot fmj)
7.5x55 - 60 (GP11)
reloading helps.

Fractal packing works. Remember big round weigh alot and take up mucho space. Tis easier to lug two bricks of 22lr than similar of 12 gauge.
 
Definitely stock up on the .22 and the 7.62x54R. Both of those are cheap. Luckily I stocked up on 7.62x39 before the crunch and am sitting on 10,000 rounds of it...that should get me through until the prices stabilize.

I've got numerous Finn M39's and if it does ever hit the fan those will be my 'long range' guns. Super accurate with iron sights and definite ability to reach out and touch someone.

Colt 6920 (AR M4gery) will be my 'medium' range rifle

Marine Magnum is short range / HD - I keep slugs and 00 Buck for it

Several 1911's also for short range / HD

...and of course several .22's both rifle/pistol and 7.69x39 for my SKS's if I need a 'hunting' round.

I've got about 40,000 rounds now and think the minimum of 2,000 per rifle is a good number...though I tend to panic when the ammo gets down to 5,000 per caliber :uhoh:
 
You should have enough ammo....

if your house catches on fire, you really need to go at least two blocks down the street in case it blows.......chris3
 
.50caliber123

I am in a similiar situation as you, many firearms, different calibers, different action types, makes models ect. As far as SHTF you can never have enough ammo! That being said too little and your ineffective, too much and you can't transport it all.
One of the things I have been doing is looking at firearms with the same caliber. I am trying to standardize. For instance I have standardized 7.62x39mm and .308 as my rifle calibers. (id like to go just to .308 but i can't) 12 gauge as my shotgun and currently 9x18mm as my pistol (which will soon changed to a more easily obtainable round) The reason to have multiple weapons with the same caliber is if you have other people you want to arm, I.E. freinds, family ect. Much like the military does, but you also have to take into consideration its availability and effectiveness.

here is my opinion and its similiar to what others have said already I am going to use the terms:

Decomission (meaning use this rifle at the range, have enough ammo for fun)

Reserve Status (meaning stock up as much ammo as you can cheaply, but don't bump fire it every weekend! Shoot enough ammo to stay in practice, but conserve what you have)

Active Status (meaning stockpile as much ammo as you can and shoot alot)


WEAPONS:

Marlin .44 mag : great gun, but its difficult to get ammo for it in bulk. But its tons of fun at the range!
(Decomission)

Yugo SKS/ Mak 90: here is where you have some ammunition commonality, like many have said the prices of 7.62x39mm have destablized somewhat but both of these rifles are rock solid. Be on the look out for 7.62X39mm at a cheap prices at all times!! Horde it up until wolf and other imports get cheap again. These are great SHTF rifles ammo can still be found for them for relatively cheap, just not as cheap as a year ago. Look for cheap 30 round mags for the MAK-90, and buy a 100 pack of stripper clips.Temporarily refrein from shooting these rifles (unless you already have a ton of ammo) and look for ammo for them.
(Reserve Status)

Enfield: .303 is just too dear these days to stockpile this ammo unless you can get it uber cheap. Lots of the British stuff is exstremely unreliable, lots of hang fires and no fires. The rifles design rocks, but its caliber is antiquated
(Decomission)

Mosin Nagant m38: Extremely reliable, ammo is very cheap and plentiful and powerful. Buy spam cans for storing away and loose ammo or commercial for shooting. Spam cans are already sealed for long term storage, (buy a key for opening them). This is your long range rifle. BUY STRIPPER CLIPS FOR THIS RIFLE TODAY!!!!!!!
(Active Status)

K31: excellent rifle the likely most accurate of your collection, ammo is to hard to come by.
(Decomission)

Hipoint carbine: 9mm cheap and plentiful! but unless you live in an urban area or need concealment not very useful. Also the highpoint is notoriously unreliable, I would take an SKS or AK any day of the week. Inexspensive to stock up on but unless you have a 9mm pistol for ammo compatability I wouldn't bother, the gun is likely to break in the field anyway, mags for this firearms are also low qaulity and spare parts are not available from the company. Also you have shotguns which are more effective at close range than this carbine. If you have a ton of 9mm ammo buy a 9mm pistol
(SELL or Decomission)

Ruger 10/22: ammo is cheap buy as much as you want. particulary for cheap practice and small game/vermin.
(Active Status)

Remington 870/Mossberg 500: Both of these guns are 12 gauge, which is good, stock up on a good mixture as guys above have said. Ammo for this is bulky but you have a large selection of different rounds. But definitly buckshott 000 if you can find it, 00 is good too. Slugs are good for longer range shots but you already have rifles it doesn't hurt to have some though. Get plenty of shot for hunting, # 7 1/2 is good for most things and very cheap. Buckshot and slugs aren't cheap, pattern each gun for buckshot and sight in with slug. In other words don't waste the buckshot and slugs at the range.
(Reserve Status)



TOTAL ARMS SUPPORTED:

2 rifles in 7.62x39mm
1 rifle in 7.62x54R
1 rifle in .22 Long Rifle 4 rifles, 3 calibers (2 major)

2 Shotguns in 12 gauge 2 shotguns, 1 gauge (1 major)

Thats not bad at all as far as armament is concerned.

overall ammo would be 2000 7.62x39mm, 1000 7.62x54R, 1000 12 gauge, not a huge ammount but a start and you 4 freinds can be well armed.

STORAGE:

I would have at least a 1000 per rifle for Imediate SHTF defense. More than that is better! But 1000 is a good place to shoot for if you don't have much right now. Buy U.S. .30 caliber ammo cans each one holds 24 7.62x39mm boxes of 20 which eqauls 480 rounds per ammo can. 2-30 caliber cans holds a 1000 rounds of wolf with 2 boxes (40 rounds) to spare. You can shoot the 2 left over boxes as practice. the .50 cal cans hold 36 boxes of 7.62x39mm but have space in the front and are very heavy you can carry one .30 cal can in each hand easily. The nice thing about the .30 cals also is that 480 ronunds is divisible by 30 giving you 16 30 round magazines per ammo can or 48 SKS stripper clips!

Also you can store 7.6x54R ammo in the .30cal cans. 1 .30 cal can holds 11 boxes(220) rounds of Czech silver tips in 20 round boxes. Otherwise buy the spam cans and save them, if you do open some to shoot, you can store the remainder in .30 cal cans. If you do this though color code the .30 cal cans so you don't mix up 7.62x39mm with 7.62x54R when your in a hurry.

For the shotguns I would have 500 rounds per shotgun. Which by the way is 20,25 round boxes! I use .50caliber ammo boxes to store shotgun ammo, which holds 5-25 round boxes and alot of 5 round buckshot or slug boxes. If you can find buckshot in 25 round boxes buy it!!!!!


MAGS, CLIPS, POUCHES:

Now that you have all these arms and ammuntion you need some way to carry it on your person. For the AK 30 round mags are the most plentiful and the cheapest I would stock up on these. I have at least 12 per AK rifle. You may elect to have fewer than that, 12 is alot to carry. I like to have at least 200 rounds of rifle ammo on me when Im on patrol. 7-30 round AK mags=210 rounds. To acheive this you need to carry 6 on your person and 1 in the rifle. Many vest that are available today carry 6 or 8 mags. The russian made TARZAN and M32 are great vests and not to exspensive($100). If you can't swing the 100 for buy 2 East german Mag pouches, each hold 4 AK mags. I suggest setting them up with shoulder straps though they are way to heavy when loaded to carry on a belt and they don't fit on web gear without modification (Unless you have the east german web gear)These ammo pouches are like $5 each or $40 with 4 mags in them! So for $80 you can have 8 mags and two pouches. A good ammount for your MAK-90.

SKS stripper clips, buy 100 round pakage of these ($20 tops) and you have the ability to have 1000 rounds on stripper clips. But don't store it that way it takes up to much space. I use the old tried and true chinese SKS chest pouches. These are $10 or cheaper and they hold 200 rounds of 7.62x39mm on stripper clips.

Mosin clips, I havent seen these in a while but I know one aftermarket company makes them. Most likely stainless steel. Buy many of these but keep in mind they only hold 5 rounds, so you need to carry 40 of them to make up that 200 rounds. I use M1/m14 cotton bandoliers each have 6 pockets and you can carry 2-5 shot clips in each pocket10 rounds in each, for a total of 60 rounds per bandoleer. If you have 3 bandoleer you carry 180 rounds, if you have 4 you carry 240. The guy carrying the mosin though could probably carry a little less as its alot heavier than 7.62x39mm and he presumably is going to only be taking single shots.

Note: ammo conservation is paramount! for both semi-auto shooters and bolt/pump shooters.

lastly the shotgun: For the shotgun I would try to carry at least 100 rounds which is 2-50 round bandoleers, however not the best way to carry shotgun ammo, but you can buy the bandoleers cheaply. The best way I have found Is, if you have U.S. web gear you can fit 25 2 3/4 " shells in each m16 pouch the old canvas type works best, but the nylon ones work too if you cut out the divider straps. 4 of these pouches eqauls 100 rounds and is well distributed by the alice suspenders and pistol belt. Cheap too you can get pistol belt, suspenders and 4 m16 pouches for $20.


Sorry I went on a such a long rant, but I am trying to save you some trouble, the same things I have been going through lately! and If I can pass on any knowledge I have gained then I am extremely happy. Only other thing I can pass on is maybe sell some of the more obsolete stuff and buy a pistol for your own personal defense.

again pardon the length I got a little carried away.

Brother in Arms
 
Civilization is unlikely to collapse within our lifetimes, so stock your armory with your descendants in mind. Your children and grandchildren may need these weapons and ammunition long after they have been effectively banned. In the meantime, enjoy your firearms for sport.

~G. Fink
 
Money is very tight, so I don't put a lot of money into ammunition. Having only 3 guns that are "common" (30-06, 22 and 12 ga 870) I've found ammo is available everywhere, and this doesn't give me much reason to stockpile it. I have a couple of boxes of shotgun shells - one isn't full, 5 or 6 boxes of 22 ammo and less than one box of 30-06 ammo. That's it, I've never found a reason to have more on hand. I'm pretty sure the '06 ammo will last me the rest of my life, when I hunt with it I usually fire one shot a year and I don't use it every year (I often hunt with a bow). The shotgun ammo will last me a long time, I rarely use it. Not even sure how I got more than one box. I use the 22 for small game and grouse, and rarely for plinking at cans. I'll buy a box when I'm out but I expect at my current consumption my 5 or 6 boxes will last me about 5 years.
I doubt I'd buy more even if I had the money - I'd still like to find a SKS so I could have my first semi-automatic homeland defense rifle - and it's at the top of my priority list right now.
 
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