What progressive press has a quick die change?

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I am considering stepping up to a progressive press from my Lee Classic Turret, but I love the fact that I can set up a set of dies on it's own turret head and change calibers in a couple of seconds.

What progressive presses would have a similar set up?
 
Dillon has a tool head that holds all dies including the powder measure. Easily changeable as a whole unit including the Powder Measure. Hornady LNL has individual quick change bushings for EACH die. 1/8 turn locks the dies in place. Powder measure is also held in postion with a quick change bushing.
 
Lee Pro 1000 you get a turret for each one then a shell plate which takes as long to do especially if you have to change primer size. They do sell the Pro Carrier Complete per calibers with primer feed etc in place for about $40 each. To me the only way to go using the Lee Pro 1000 press as that takes about 2 minutes to change calibers.
 
Dillon 650 or 550 each utilize quick change tool heads. Once you've got your dies and powder measure set for each caliber, changes are made in a couple minutes. Additionally, the Lee isn't even in the same league as the Dillon press. That being the case, there's usually a reason some things cost more and Dillon presses are a good example. Heck, even the Dillon 650 is much better than the 550 and it's reflected in the price.
 
The Lee Loadmasters has a 5 hole removable turret also. But I hate mine, so I wouldn't recommend it to you, lol
 
As stated above, the LnL lets you change out each individual die while keeping its depth setting. The Dillon lets you swap out the entire toolhead.

As much as I love my Dillon, which replaced an LnL, I prefer Hornady's approach to die changes. If I feel like loading up a batch of brass that I've already sized, I need to remove the sizing die from the toolhead the old-fashioned way (wrench), and I lose my depth setting.
 
People reload differently. Some need a caliber change rarely, some never, and some change every session or even multiple times in one session. What progressive you pick depends on what you think you need.

You have to look at all parts of a caliber change. (I'm assuming that's what you meant by die change)

Both of Dillon's popular presses have removable heads to make it so you can set up your dies before hand. The RCBS Pro 2000 also has a removable head.
Hornady and Lee offerings have stationary heads, but the Hornady has quick change collets for each die that makes changing dies faster.

Which type is better is a personal issue. Some like Hornady's method, some like the Dillon/RCBS removable head method. I personally like removable heads, which is why I narrowed my search between the Dillon 650 and the RCBS Pro 2000.

That said, you also have to change powder measure setup and often primer size. AND if you get a case feeder and/ bullet feeder, those have to be changed for different calibers as well.

Typically, the more complicated the setup is, the longer it takes to change calibers.

The fastest and simplist caliber change I've found, is on the very simple RCBS Pro 2000 with its Uniflow powder measure...without bullet or case feeders. Changing primer size takes less than 10 seconds.

Next is a Hornady, without case or bullet feeder. Though primers are not as fast to change, their powder measure is nearly identical to RCBS's, and with one $25 "quick-change kit", the P.M has an even faster caliber change. Hornady's bullet feeder changes calibers very fast (negligible in fact), contrary to the slow-to-change case feeder.

Next is Dillon's 550 and slower still because it is more complicated is Dillon's 650, encumbered by their casefeeder caliber change, primer size change, and powder measure change, many users usually prefer to load a lot (1000's) of one caliber, before they do a caliber change.

There are ways to speed up a Dillon, but that takes more money with caliber change kits and multiple powder measures. Nothing I've seen speeds up case feeder and primer changes.....maybe experienced Dillon users can offer something more there.:)

For the way I load, I picked the Pro 2000. If I was a successful IPSC pistol competitor shooting one caliber, I probably would have picked a Dillon 650 with a case feeder and an RCBS lockout die. If you leave it alone, I don't think there's anything faster except maybe a commercial Dillon 1050.

But for how I reload, changing calibers by session or even twice a session, among 7 pistol/rifle calibers, the Dillon didn't fit me well. With my Pro 2000, I use Hornady's bullet feeder, modified to be able to see bullet supply in the tube, and my own home grown case feeder. Both feeders are extremely fast to change calibers on compared to others. The highlight of changing calibers on my RCBS Pro 2000 is using preloaded CCI APS primer strips. Changing calibers means getting a box of preloaded strips off the shelf for the new caliber ready for to load. No tubes to load.

If I had to choose the cheaper Lees, I'd buy a press for each caliber....they are cheap enough to do that.....but the footprint is beyond my available space. Do expect to tinker with Lee's most sessions. That statement is based on my experience helping a friend keep his Pro 1000 playing nicely with just one caliber (.45ACP). I hear the Loadmasters are not any different except that they have 5 stations.

The Dillon 550B has only four stations the Lee Pro 1000 only 3. Fewer stations mean fewer options.
 
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There are ways to speed up a Dillon, but that takes more money with caliber change kits and multiple powder measures. Nothing I've seen speeds up case feeder and primer changes.....maybe experienced Dillon users can offer something more there.:)

You can buy the complete priming assembly (about $80) and swap out the whole body (one for small, one for large) instead of messing around with the small bits.
 
The Lee Loadmasters has a 5 hole removable turret also. But I hate mine, so I wouldn't recommend it to you, lol

Amen. I stepped up to the Loadmaster from the Classic turret. I liked the Classic turret better. Too bad I sold it to get the other.
 
Won't go wrong with Hornady LnL. After 3 years and ~15,000 rounds later, only regret I didn't buy it sooner.
 
I've gotta second (or third, or fourth) the Hornady LNL, with one caveat: I don't prime on it. Almost every problem you ever hear about on the LNL (and the Dillons, for that matter) has to do with priming.

When you consider the size changes, loading the primer tubes, tweaking the adjustments, and keeping the priming systems clean, you don't add a whole lot of time to the process by priming with a good hand or bench-mounted primer. Plus, you get a better feel and much better consistency.

If you are considering (and can afford) the Dillon 650, get two LNL's instead. With the free bullets, the price is about the same, and with two presses, the issue of caliber and primer changes nearly disappears. Plus, you never have to worry about a stoppage for lack of spare parts.
 
Wow! What a great response guys. Thanks for everything. I currently load for 6 different handgun calibers (380,9mm,38sp,357,45acp,45col) and typically change calibers and powders often.

Lots if info here
 
I load for 7 pistol calibers and find that I shoot 2 or 3 of them weekly. I find the change over on my Hornady to be quick and easy. I do not use case or bullet feeder so can't comment on what that would involve.
 
I've owned or loaded on just about every press out there. While each manufacturer produces a press that's adequate to produce ammo in the same way that any car is adequate to get you to work, given the choice it's a Dillon 650 with casefeeder. It's better in almost every way and has a lifetime warranty and fantastic support. Look, time is money or time reloading is time away from family or fun. The Dillon 650 absolutely annihilates even the 550 for speed and is a better, higher quality machine overall.
 
The Dillon 550 has a 5-minute caliber change. The 650 takes longer, but I can't remember why as I sold to 650 a long time ago and stayed w/ the 550.
 
I prefer Hornady's approach to die changes. If I feel like loading up a batch of brass that I've already sized, I need to remove the sizing die from the toolhead the old-fashioned way (wrench), and I lose my depth setting
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I really like the flexibility the Hornady LnL system gives me. Last week I started using a Lee Factory Crimp Die for 223 and it was just a matter of moving the existing does over one station. 30 seconds max.
 
How long it takes to change calibers is really only relative to each machine. I can easily load 1,000 rounds per hour on my 650 and maybe one third of that on my 550. If I need or want to load 1000 rounds, even if I need to make a few caliber changes, I'm still ahead of the guy on the slower press. Whatever progressive you buy will be faster than a single stage, but if you buy something other than the 650 and then get the opportunity to run a 650 in the future, you're likely to feel annoyed that you didn't make the initial investment in the better press the first time.
 
The 1050 is just one bolt to change the tool head. Or you could get 4 or 5 cheaper presses and just leave one setup for each round you load. How is that for fast?
 
The 1050 is just one bolt to change the tool head. Or you could get 4 or 5 cheaper presses and just leave one setup for each round you load. How is that for fast?

That's a real option for Lee presses, but many of us can't afford multiple Dillon presses like you have....count your blessings!:D

I know diddly squat about 1050's. One bolt to change the tool head is obviously not much of a hurdle. Explain to us what else is involved. How much time does it take to change Primer size, case & bullet feeders, powder charge, etc.?

BTW, do you do more than one caliber on your 1050? (knowing that you have several presses) If so, how often do you change calibers on it? And how long does it take?
 
Lee loadmaster , I load 45acp 44mag 9mm and .380 on mine I would not buy another bullet feeder. feeder is no good for cast rounds , but the press works great, case feed is a must, wroks great , 5 hole die holders are cheap as are shell holder plates , if I had room I'd get another ,
 
Heck, even the Dillon 650 is much better than the 550 and it's reflected in the price.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement.

The 650 is faster than the 550b but it also takes longer to change calibers. Even with a 550b you can still do 500 - 600 rounds an hour. Unless your doing more than that the 550b is plenty. Additionally, if you have a 650, it is almost a necessity to purchase a case feeder to go long with it, so add another $200 to the cost of the press. The quality of the 550b is no less than the 650. Either one is far superior to any Lee press. Brian Enos himself told me that if you are going to change calibers more than once a month your better off with the 550b.
 
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement.

The 650 is faster than the 550b but it also takes longer to change calibers. Even with a 550b you can still do 500 - 600 rounds an hour. Unless your doing more than that the 550b is plenty. Additionally, if you have a 650, it is almost a necessity to purchase a case feeder to go long with it, so add another $200 to the cost of the press. The quality of the 550b is no less than the 650. Either one is far superior to any Lee press. Brian Enos himself told me that if you are going to change calibers more than once a month your better off with the 550b.

500 rounds an hour would be plenty for me. I honestly LIKE reloading. I think the 650 might take some of the fun out of it. I would like to speed things up from my current production, but 1000 rds a hour might mean not enough time at the reloading bench.
 
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