Everybody bought all the scary rifles. All the shops sold out. Online stores took backorders. It's been over a month since the election. How come nobody has received any new shipments in the last month. Not even to start picking away at the list of backorders?
Where are all the shipments?
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Guyon
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Some tell you where they are. For instance, AIM Surplus states on their website:
Kind of Blued
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I wish I knew. I have an order I placed over a month ago for some mags. If I have to end up cancelling it I'll be hacked. 
I think, like in wartime, manufacturing companies should stop making pots & pans, toy trains, and all that junk, and start pumping out rifles and magazines.
I think, like in wartime, manufacturing companies should stop making pots & pans, toy trains, and all that junk, and start pumping out rifles and magazines.
I actually meant shipments from manufacturers to dealers. None of these places have received shipments from manufacturers/distributors/whatever. That's why backorders aren't being filled. I'm curious why places like jgsales and centerfire haven't received shipments.
The manufacturers can only turn out a certain number of firearms every month.
Say it's 1,000 rifles.
If the number ordered by retailers suddenly surpasses 1,000 then those who ordered first will get theirs & the later orders will take time to fill.
It's not viable for the manufacturers to greatly increase capacity if the increase is just a bubble, otherwise they end up holding excess stock & possibly (especially in the current financial climate) run into cash flow problems.
Say it's 1,000 rifles.
If the number ordered by retailers suddenly surpasses 1,000 then those who ordered first will get theirs & the later orders will take time to fill.
It's not viable for the manufacturers to greatly increase capacity if the increase is just a bubble, otherwise they end up holding excess stock & possibly (especially in the current financial climate) run into cash flow problems.
Oddbod, that makes perfect sense and is completely true. But, major online retailers like jgsales, centerfire, and classicarms haven't received any shipments at all. Just seems like somebody should be getting something. Maybe they are and I just don't know who. I don't know. Whatever.
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One site posted the wait for Stag at 20 weeks! Yikes!
arizona98tj
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The one down the road from me has plenty...at least they did on Saturday when I was there picking up a case of buckshot. They had .223 and other EBR ammo too. Yes, they were out a couple of weeks ago but not now. I was at the Dillon store last weekend....they had Wolf .223 sitting on pallets.
Must be a regional thing.
mljdeckard
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I was looking for a few pmags, my local shop (pm me if you want to know which one) was out, and referred me to bravocompany.com, rather than their own site, said they were ordering a LOT more of them and shipping them in about three weeks.
PryItFromMyColdDeadHands
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Well I run a business myself and I can only dream of my products being in the same position as the guns and ammo.
I would quickly fill my shelves up as quick as possible .....(even though keeping a low inventory is keeping the prices up)...... and sell the hell out of everything as ppl would be flooding into my store because my competitors will still be holding out on releasing their products so they can continue to take advantage of the price hike......granted this would only work if I manufactured/distributed/sold the products.
I would quickly fill my shelves up as quick as possible .....(even though keeping a low inventory is keeping the prices up)...... and sell the hell out of everything as ppl would be flooding into my store because my competitors will still be holding out on releasing their products so they can continue to take advantage of the price hike......granted this would only work if I manufactured/distributed/sold the products.
I think distributors/retailers are probably more willing to move stuff out the door as fast as humanly possible. MFG's are probably a lot less motivated. Doing so would require increased costs to step up production - which would offset the increase in profits that they've seen recently. Honestly - some of these MFG's might not even be seeing an increase in profits - if all the markups are happening at the Wholesale/Retail level. Unless mfg's are suddenly jacking up their prices - which I doubt is the case, the retailers and distributors are the ones seeing an increase in profit margins. Very little incentive for manufacturers to ramp up production (and costs) on behalf of retailers.
Who knows.
I imagine with the number of orders and the high demand - there's a pretty big back-log. If the mfg's don't feel like rushing to get it taken care of, that backlog is just going to grow and grow - and it's going to seem like the production lines are moving slower and slower.
Lone_Gunman
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Why did everyone wait til after the election stock up? The writing was on the wall 2 or 3 months ago.
zombienerd
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My dealer is getting bi-weekly shipments of ammo, but in much smaller quantities than he would like... He's getting bought out the day it comes in. I think the manufacturers and dealers are all feeling the strain. I'd imagine it will be a few months before things return to even close to "normal"
Another twist; anyone have any hesitation in buying one of the future (and possibly more fairly priced) guns all the manufacturers are now "ramping up" production on?
I'm thinking things like quality control.
QC was just "OK" before all this, and who knows what the future might bring. We may be taking some big chances on some very important items.
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I'm thinking things like quality control.
QC was just "OK" before all this, and who knows what the future might bring. We may be taking some big chances on some very important items.
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Not me. I was stocking up with every penny I could mustard before Nov 4th. However, I still must confess I have been steping up the pace and averaging about one gun a week since the election and one ammo drop a week too. But I am not buying at inflated prices, only if I can find good deals. They are out there. Don't forget economy (people) are hurting and need Christmas $.
Texpatriate
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I ordered a Rock River mid-length upper from an online dealer back in mid-October. At that time, even before the election, Rock River was back ordered by 3 months and my upper won't arrive until mid-January. The dealer said the back order status was because everybody was buying in anticipation of the election. Now I am being told by the same dealer that the back order status on new orders at Rock River is in the 4-5 month range.
People like us were already buying long before the election in anticipation of an anti-gun administration and congress, now they are panic buying whatever they can get their hands on, even if it isn't exactly what they wanted.
I hacked my wife off more than a couple of times in the past year buying ammo, pmags, standard cap handgun mags, lowers, and guns that I've wanted for a while and previously had more of long range buying plan for, "just in case". And these are just for my own personal use. I have no plans to try and sell any of them as "an investment".
Honestly I think what is driving a lot of this is the opportunity to cash in if a ban actually does happen. It hasn't even happened yet (and may never), and I've already seen guys posting lowers for sale in the $350 range and complete rifles that were probably purchased in the $800-$900 range being offered for sale for $1200-$1300. I don't think anybody is buying at that price, but there are a lot of folks already hoping to cash in.
All of that to say, the backorders right now are pretty deep, so anything being produced right now is probably going to people who already paid for them. You're not going to see a lot of this stuff just sitting on the shelf with a price tag on it for a while until the bubble stops/pops.
People like us were already buying long before the election in anticipation of an anti-gun administration and congress, now they are panic buying whatever they can get their hands on, even if it isn't exactly what they wanted.
I hacked my wife off more than a couple of times in the past year buying ammo, pmags, standard cap handgun mags, lowers, and guns that I've wanted for a while and previously had more of long range buying plan for, "just in case". And these are just for my own personal use. I have no plans to try and sell any of them as "an investment".
Honestly I think what is driving a lot of this is the opportunity to cash in if a ban actually does happen. It hasn't even happened yet (and may never), and I've already seen guys posting lowers for sale in the $350 range and complete rifles that were probably purchased in the $800-$900 range being offered for sale for $1200-$1300. I don't think anybody is buying at that price, but there are a lot of folks already hoping to cash in.
All of that to say, the backorders right now are pretty deep, so anything being produced right now is probably going to people who already paid for them. You're not going to see a lot of this stuff just sitting on the shelf with a price tag on it for a while until the bubble stops/pops.
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ColinthePilot
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Stag's own website says that.
I ordered my Stag A-4 Upper kit the day after the election and was told Stag was already 6,000 rifles deep and my wait would be 4-5 weeks. What I want to know is will my order be further delayed because of all the people who have ordered since then and quadrupled the delay? I don't want to call the retailer I bought from and pester them with what I'm sure is just another "where's my gun" call, but I'm moving after Christmas and I'll have to change my shipping address.
OK, consider this. We live and operate in a capitalistic society (at least until 20 Jan that is). The only way any of us makes money and gets ahead is if we react to the marketplace effectively. (That includes ramping up when anticipating periods of high demand and scaling back if things are expected to slow down). Everyone that was paying any attention at all knew what the election meant. Those in the business of firearms and ammo definately knew what to expect. If they had any sense, they would have done all possible to ramp up supplies to take advantage of the obvious bubble on the horizon. As far as I can see none did. Now just what are the chances that ALL manufacturers, suppliers, and retailers each failed to capitalize on such an obvious opportunity? What is the likelihood that each would run out of stock on everything at the same time (as has happened everywhere)? A local retailer told me last week that he's already seen a change on government supplied forms that must be filled out for firearms purchases... Hmm. Now lets recap, EVERYBODY in the business failed to take advantage of the bubble and they all decided (on their own) that they'd sit on the sidelines watching the opportunity sail by... Sure.
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