Where would you NOT move to due to Firearm laws

[IdahoSkies]

I may have an opportunity to change jobs in the near future. Part of the vetting process is me stated where I would or would not want to be posted.

Regarding U.S. States and territories, from a firearms related basis, where would you not move to. And why.

(I don't want to hear where you would move to, rather where you wold not move to).

Thanks.

 

[yugorpk]

Hawaii and California. Neither one of those states want me with my guns and we travel together. Ive passed on lucrative offers in both just because of the gun laws.

I'd never, ever, ever move to the Northeast no matter what their gun laws so I dont even talk to recruiters about jobs there..

 

[HammsBeer]

I'd avoid any state that has any kind of gun registration, gun bans, mag capacity limits, or is not a shall issue for carry permits.

As politically liberal as Minnesota is, it's pretty gun friendly.

West coast or the Northeast is a no-go.

 

[Red Wind]

Hawaii,Maryland,New Jersey and New York would top my list to avoid. In that order. The first 3 its practically impossible to get a carry permit. In NYS , it depends on the county you live in. Still quite onerous.

 

[ATN082268]

I may have an opportunity to change jobs in the near future. Part of the vetting process is me stated where I would or would not want to be posted.

Regarding U.S. States and territories, from a firearms related basis, where would you not move to. And why.

(I don't want to hear where you would move to, rather where you wold not move to).

Thanks.

Personally, I would never let gun laws ultimately dictate where I would take my next job. It may be one factor but myself being married with kids, it would probably be fairly low on the priority list. A lot of places with restrictive gun control laws like most of New England and California, have too high of a cost of living for my taste and I would be unlikely to find a good enough job in those areas to prosper. So my vote would be against moving to New England or California if it came down to avoiding places with restrictive gun control laws.

 

[1911 guy]

Hawaii, California, New Jersey. Those are the top three offenders. California is actually the best of those three.

I'v heard enough horror stories to make me suspicious of anything east coast north of Delaware, but N.J. is completely off the rails.

 

[IdahoSkies]

Personally, I would never let gun laws ultimately dictate where I would take my next job. It may be one factor but myself being married with kids, it would probably be fairly low on the priority list.

I agree, but the reason I asked the question, is because, it is a factor to some degree, and I wanted to see the why as much as the what for that reason.

 

[horsemen61]

Neither coast or Illinois

 

[Theohazard]

Neither coast or Illinois

So you're ignoring Washington and Oregon? I moved to WA from Texas in 2012, and some of my friends were making fun of me, saying that WA gun laws must suck because it's a blue state. Well, I looked into it, and -- with a few exceptions -- WA gun laws are actually quite a bit better than Texas, and that's mostly because WA has better carry laws and a much longer statewide tradition of both concealed carry and open carry. And since I moved here, SBRs were even legalized.

WA has some of the best gun laws in the country with just a few exceptions:

1. Machine guns are illegal (I couldn't afford one anyway).
2. SBSs are illegal (no big deal for me).
3. Universal background checks (on the face, this is a terrible law, but in reality there's no mechanism to enforce it and the police won't enforce it anyway; it's a bad law with very little real-world implications).

 

[Ranger Roberts]

New Jersey, New York, Hawaii, California, Maryland. I wouldn't want to go anywhere that NFA items are prohibited. I have too many of them and no interest in giving them up.

 

[yugorpk]

Neither coast or Illinois

Why throw in the Southeast ? Good gun laws from Virginia on down for the most part although VA and NC are a little wonky. OR and WA are stil good despite the UBC silliness.

 

[Sam1911]

WOULD NOT? NY, MD, NJ, CA, HI, IL, MA

Would rather not? There's a bunch that have unfortunate factors which would make me take a long look before agreeing, but that I might decide to live with for the right other benefits. Kind of a long list.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

Mass, California, New Jersey, New York.

As far as the Northeast goes, New Hampshire and Vermont are ok.

 

[Red Wind]

As far as the Northeast goes, New Hampshire and Vermont are ok.

So is Maine. It even has Constitutional Carry now. Vermont has been permitless since 1777, TMK.

 

[Midwest]

New Jersey is the absolute worst.

Why?

No one can get a carry permit unless they are an armed guard or politically connected.

$10,000 + yearly property taxes

You can not buy any kind of firearm unless you get a Firearms ID Card and/or pistol purchase permit. Which means you must get fingerprinted, pay $90 in related fees, give 2, 3 or more character references (some towns require social security numbers of your references) and some towns require a reference from your employer as well. Then wait anywhere from a month to six months.

$15 State NICS fee even after obtaining the card

State NICS is NOT open on Sundays, only half the day on Saturday and closed for all state holidays and whenever there is an snow or storm emergency closing state offices.

Redundant Fees and waiting time
So you have the FID card and want to move to another part of NJ? Cough up more references, more fees and wait months.


More Fees and Waiting time
Want to buy another handgun? Sure ...Cough up some more fees, cough up some more references and wait months.

Only one handgun per month

Each handgun* requires a separate Permit to Purchase Pistol

An 'assault weapons' ban (Think 1994)

Tube fed .22 rifles capable of more than 15 rounds is considered an assault weapon!

Following the law? Think Again!
If you are carrying your handgun, unloaded, locked in the trunk ammo separate from the handgun. You are only allowed to travel from the local gun store to your home, and from your home to the range and back home with no stops along the way. If you make a detour, you may be arrested.

Ranges and members of gun ranges in New Jersey are forwarded to the State Police.

Pellet guns and Black Powder guns are considered firearms

Pellet gun pistols are considered handguns* (Remember, one handgun a month)

Black Powder Pistols are considered handguns* (Remember, one handgun a month)


Anti-gun Culture
Anti-gun politicians, anti-gun media and most of the populace is anti-gun because of New Jersey's low gun ownership due to the requirement of the FID card since 1966.
Don't even thinking of visiting the state if you have an unloaded handgun locked in the trunk. If you do, we will read about it here on THR when you make the news when they bust you in NJ for doing something that is perfectly legal in another state. Stay out of NJ if you like firearms.

Go somewhere else
You are better off in New York state or California, at least there you have a chance to get a carry permit if you live in the right county and perhaps jump through some extra hoops.

New Jersey, Maryland and Hawaii are all essentially no issue carry permits. But New Jersey is the worst.
.

 

[pacerdude]

Illinois, Maryland, New York, California and New Jersey, just off the top of my head.

 

[aarondhgraham]

If I were in your situation,,,

I would spend a day perusing the handgunlaw.us website.

We can tell you anecdotes and personal experiences,,,
But this website has the details of the laws in each state.

Aarond

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[Teachu2]

Gun laws are only part of the political climate in CA, and are probably getting worse before they get better. I'm shopping for a cheap, leaky boat....

That said, I've managed to buy about thirty handguns and ten long guns over the last few years, most of them new. The restrictions have not prevented me from legally acquiring everything I need, and I'll never own all I want regardless of where I live. I can shoot in my backyard, the wife and I both have CCWs, and the grandkids are nearby. We can ride our Harleys 300+ days a year, we're less than 3 hours to the Pacific and less than that to Yosemite. My income is double what it would be elsewhere. I'm happy here.

I am, however, encouraging everyone who complains about California to move elsewhere. There are still vast expanses of desert in AZ, some new opportunities coming to settle near the Mississippi River, some bargains to be had in Detroit, and let's not forget the attraction to living in Chicago. I love to visit snow country, but am not that keen on living in it.

 

[stchman]

I would NOT move to any of the following states:

CA
MA
MD
NY
NJ
CT

 

[yugorpk]

I am, however, encouraging everyone who complains about California to move elsewhere.

Except Oregon or Washington.

That is all.

 

[BSA1]

Personally, I would never let gun laws ultimately dictate where I would take my next job.

Whereas that is one of the main reasons I passed up well-paying job opportunities. My wife and I had a discussion many years ago about where we would be willing to move and decided to stay put.

It has been a long uphill battle for Kansas to become one of the most liberal States in regards to our gun laws. The choice between what type of Federal Government the voters in America want have never been clearer than this years.

 

[Mike OTDP]

My no-go states: California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Mass., Rhode Island, Conn. And I'd stay out of Maryland if I weren't stuck here.

 

[2zulu1]

Any state that doesn't recognize Arizona's CCW permits. There are a number of reasons, other than gun laws, that went into my decision process to retire here.

Climate, close proximity to designated wilderness areas, mountain hiking year round, public lands for recreation, cost of living, medical specialists for my age group and beautiful cowgals in Wranglers and boots.

 

[ATLDave]

I think what Sam1911 said is about right for me.

 

[NINEX19]

So you're ignoring Washington and Oregon? I moved to WA from Texas in 2012, and some of my friends were making fun of me, saying that WA gun laws must suck because it's a blue state. Well, I looked into it, and -- with a few exceptions -- WA gun laws are actually quite a bit better than Texas, and that's mostly because WA has better carry laws and a much longer statewide tradition of both concealed carry and open carry. And since I moved here, SBRs were even legalized.

WA has some of the best gun laws in the country with just a few exceptions:

1. Machine guns are illegal (I couldn't afford one anyway).
2. SBSs are illegal (no big deal for me).
3. Universal background checks (on the face, this is a terrible law, but in reality there's no mechanism to enforce it and the police won't enforce it anyway; it's a bad law with very little real-world implications).

Agree 100%. Washington probably has the most non-invasive and relaxed gun laws in the nation.

Except Oregon or Washington.

That is all.

Why not? Anyone who is gun friendly is Welcomed in Washington.

Places that are off my list right now is most any other state since I feel I am in one of the best states for gun rights.