Aragon
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I wish more people would not move to CA! I suspect Hawaiians (particuarly locals) feel the same way.
Where would you NOT move to due to Firearm laws
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I wish more people would not move to CA! I suspect Hawaiians (particuarly locals) feel the same way.
AStone
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Actually, since no national boundaries were specified here,
I think the true "North East" may be represented by this image.
Search "Baffin Island" or "Mt Thor".
I think the true "North East" may be represented by this image.
Search "Baffin Island" or "Mt Thor".
Panzerschwein
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My job requires me to move every few years or so. Places I would not want to go are:
1. California
2. New Jersey
Those are the ones I would be extremely miffed about having to go to, and would avoid at all costs. While there are several others that are not good either, none are as bad as those two.
1. California
2. New Jersey
Those are the ones I would be extremely miffed about having to go to, and would avoid at all costs. While there are several others that are not good either, none are as bad as those two.
Shanghai McCoy
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Guess I did the state that I was BORN in a favor when I left to join the Navy and then never returned to live there.
You still have my little brother though.
Is that right?
I put NC and MI on my list as "probably not" for that reason...seeing it reminded me of MN I forgot about them...but IA and NE I did not know. IA I would not have expected.
gbran
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I have had a CCW permit for nearly 20 years. I can have almost, but not quite, every type of gun I want. Maybe 75% of them. Fees are not outrageous. I can drive not many miles from my house and hunt or target practice any time I want.
I don't really like gun laws here, but there are many states, that even to me, would be unacceptable.
BTW, I live in California.
I don't really like gun laws here, but there are many states, that even to me, would be unacceptable.
BTW, I live in California.
That's a shame
pharmer
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I lived in NJ for 26 years. The absolute worst state regarding guns. In todays paper, an actor shooting a "B" movie is facing a felony charge for having an AIRSOFT gun in his possession because any "gun" capable of launching a projectile is defined as a firearm according to NJ statutes. I have some friends there but if they want to see me they come here. Joe
Ed Ames
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That is short sighted. You should be wishing that more pro-gun people would move to California.
Per the NRA-ILA state law index, last time I checked.
Everyone outside California thinks the whole state is LA and San Francisco. The people in LA and San Francisco generally think that too. You and I know different.
But what I find funny is how when I lived in CA I used to think I could have 75% of what I wanted, but in the 8 years or so I've been gone my collection has become 90% things you can't buy in California, and probably 70% things you can't even possess in California. Some you can bawdlerize (bullet button, remove the silencer, etc), most you simply cannot have no matter what you do. And the CA laws have gotten noticeably worse in that time.
I have bog standard 10+1 shot .22lr pistols that would expose me to felony charges if I brought 'em with me on my next visit. I have a double action revolver that California considers an assault weapon. I have guns they don't even make limited capacity/10rd magazines for. Rifles that are too short or have the wrong style stock. Pistols nobody ever paid the state bribes to get them on the list of handguns dealers can sell to you....
That assumes that enough legitimately pro gun people, who vote, and let people know how and why they are voting the way they do, move there to tip the scales in a wildy different direction.
Otherwise all they do is give CA more weight and leverage in the national stage because of their large population (example, more seats in the House, more electoral vote for POTUS)
Ed Ames
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It isn't necessarily a wildly different direction.
This is one of those areas where the outside view is often wrong. The average person hears "California has the most complicated gun laws in the nation" (true fact), and they translate that into "California has the most prohibitive gun laws in the nation" (I would argue that NY, NJ, CT, MA, HI, and IL are all more restrictive).
The reason California gun laws are complicated is that they have historically been full of compromises between the pro- and anti- gun sides. Of course that is breaking down, but California is still more gun friendly than many states.
The problem:
People who agree with stricter laws tend to be xenophobic and honestly believe that the other states, especially the flyover states, are filled with uneducated morons who alternate between attending church, abusing farm animals, and shooting at Bambi. They have zero interest in leaving sane California to live with yokels and yahoos.
At the same time those of us who disagree with stricter laws tend to be more open-minded, less xenophobic. We can accept things like the idea that there are high tech companies, and educated people, in places like Kansas and Texas. We are therefore far more likely to leave California.
As long as that remains the case, California will continue to suffer brain drain until the only people left are the fearful xenophobes who want to ban everything they don't like. Then the laws will be made simple and California will become in truth as bad as most on this forum assume it is.
Swing
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California for sure. I lived there for a short while years ago. The gun laws are positively insane and there are a lot of other issues beyond that. It is too bad, because it is, by and large, a beautiful state.
New Jersey, Illinois, DC, New York, Colorado, Maryland, and Connecticut for sure, for the gun laws and for other reasons. Hell, I wouldn't even visit or travel for business to a couple of those at this point in time.
Hawaii doubtful, but mainly due to other issues besides guns, though their firearms laws do blow. The territories of Puerto and Guam are a maybe, though their gun laws have generally sucked, so it would be a factor in the equation.
I now reside in a state that largely gun friendly, so it is a moot point. There are two I've seriously considered moving to, that in addition to the reasons I like them, they have good gun laws. But OP asked we didn't got there.
New Jersey, Illinois, DC, New York, Colorado, Maryland, and Connecticut for sure, for the gun laws and for other reasons. Hell, I wouldn't even visit or travel for business to a couple of those at this point in time.
Hawaii doubtful, but mainly due to other issues besides guns, though their firearms laws do blow. The territories of Puerto and Guam are a maybe, though their gun laws have generally sucked, so it would be a factor in the equation.
I now reside in a state that largely gun friendly, so it is a moot point. There are two I've seriously considered moving to, that in addition to the reasons I like them, they have good gun laws. But OP asked we didn't got there.
Aragon
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What's that? That you live in a place like Georgia?
PA has excellent gun laws. No AWB, NFA friendly, and is SHALL ISSUE. LTCF's (CCW permits) are $20, and the must issue within 45 days.
Reloadron
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NYC born and raised during the 50s and spent considerable time living in CA. Those are two places I will never live again. Retired now and we live in Ohio which is OK but butt deep in snow and single digit temperatures have me thinking a nicer southern climate. We can pretty much move to wherever we choose but states with string anti-gun laws or excessive liberal policies are out. About now the Carolinas are looking good.
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thump_rrr
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The northeast is technically inaccurate.
Vermont is one of the best states allowing NFA items and concealed and open carry without any permit.
NH and ME are also gun friendly.
They are also the 3 states with the lowest rates of violent crime.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12963737/1/the-least-violent-states-in-america.html
dragon813gt
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I've stopped trying to educate people on how firearm friendly PA is. They usually find something to complain about. And it's usually some of the blue laws and hunting regulations. A few bordering states ruin the reputation of a large area. Don't move to to NJ, NY, MD, CT, MA and RI and you will be fine. Outside of NY they are all small states.
Some words about Illinois:
How many states have a requirement that you APPLY for a card that allows you to buy guns or AMMO? Then you get to wait to take possession for 72 hours on handguns and 24 hours on long guns? Forget about the hoops and cost for a CCL lets just stick to the basics of gun ownership. If I go to a gun show in Indiana I get to watch people plunk down money, pass a NICS check and take their new handgun home. If I'm far enough out of the state of IL I'm not asked to show my FOID card to buy ammo. In IL if I want to buy ammo from any of the bigger sporting goods stores, not only do I have to show my FOID card, they actually punch my FOID number in the system. For ammo! A couple of the paragraphs of the FOID act are taken verbatim from the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law (Waffengesetz). I've seen it and I swear that it is word for word.
If that doesn't scare you, well lets just say it should.
How many states have a requirement that you APPLY for a card that allows you to buy guns or AMMO? Then you get to wait to take possession for 72 hours on handguns and 24 hours on long guns? Forget about the hoops and cost for a CCL lets just stick to the basics of gun ownership. If I go to a gun show in Indiana I get to watch people plunk down money, pass a NICS check and take their new handgun home. If I'm far enough out of the state of IL I'm not asked to show my FOID card to buy ammo. In IL if I want to buy ammo from any of the bigger sporting goods stores, not only do I have to show my FOID card, they actually punch my FOID number in the system. For ammo! A couple of the paragraphs of the FOID act are taken verbatim from the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law (Waffengesetz). I've seen it and I swear that it is word for word.
If that doesn't scare you, well lets just say it should.
AR-15Nutt
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i will stay exactly where i now live..., Beautiful Arizona!!!
danez71
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Ed, I generally agree with your posts.
Questions:
What DA revolver meets the assault weapon list in CA? I didn't think that was possible.
As long they aren't assault pistols, the don't need to be on the list to be able to bring them in to CA.
I spend time between AZ and CA and have imported for personal several handguns that are not on the list. All I needed to do was send in my paperwork (register).
dodge
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NY, NJ, and MD. I live in PA right on the border to NY and it really trips my trigger that I can't carry in NY. I can legally get a permit in NY because I work there for 40 + hours a week but to get a judge to agree to it is next to impossible. I know a couple of people trying to but it's been a no go for several years.
The FOID scheme came about in 1968, I believe Illinois got their idea from New Jersey who did it 2 years earlier. Massachusetts got their card scheme about 1970.
Despite the FOID and the waiting periods. Illinois is light years ahead of New Jersey for gun rights. Illinois is not limited to one handgun per month like NJ, once you get the FOID...no additional permit to purchase is required to buy a handgun just a 3 day wait. California has a 10 day wait, Rhode Island has a 7 day wait. And as expensive as some say it is, you can conceal carry in Illinois.
New Jersey there are no carry permits issued to it's citizens. Period . Unless one is an armed guard or politically connected. Illinois is a sportsman's paradise compared to New Jermany.
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armarsh
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MN has a requirement for a pistol permit to purchase. However, the MN carry permit also meets the requirement. So, if you get your carry permit it is much to do about nothing.
Getting a carry permit in MN is a little more complicated than some. It entails classroom time and range time where you must prove proficiency. It is a mixture of good and bad, IMHO. I have seen many people that needed all the training they could get
. On the other hand most freedom loving people recoil at being forced to give up a day and $200(per 5 yrs) to go along with the state to enjoy what is a God given right.
Deanimator
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In no particular order:
Better to be homeless than in any of them.
- California
- Colorado
- Connecticut
- Illinois
- Maryland
- Massachusetts
- New Jersey
- New York
- Hawaii
Better to be homeless than in any of them.
Ed Ames
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Rotating cylinder + ability to fire shot shells = "Street Sweeper". So there goes your Taurus Judge, S&W Governor, Rossi Circuit Judge, etc.. Maybe I'm wrong and it is a destructive device. Either way, felony for possession.
...and you can argue all day long that they aren't good SD weapons but handgun wing shooting -especially when done on the move - is awesome training for dynamic situations involving moving targets.
I also bounce in and out of CA and could claim residence there if I wanted to. I guess " here" actually since as I write this I'm preparing to drive back to TX after a 2-week stay at my house in CA. However, I prefer not to consider myself even a part time resident.
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