Theohazard
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Vermont is definitely not one of the best states for NFA items since it's illegal to shoot silencers anywhere but at a "sport shooting range".thump_rrr said:
Where would you NOT move to due to Firearm laws
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Theohazard said:
That is likely to change in the coming months. There is a bill in VT that would allow suppressors.
New England/North East are not all bad. I wouldn't mind living in NH, VT, or Maine again based off firearm laws alone. I have turned down at least a dozen employment opportunities back in NY. I will not live there ever again. In some counties I am pretty sure they would make THINKING about firearms illegal if they could.
You would be wrong. At least in part.
IL has no "AWB", is shall issue for concealed carry, no magazine capacity restrictions, no "roster" of approved guns, no bullet buttons, no registration or registry, etc.
Creature
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New Jersey born and raised. I will never willingly set foot in that state again.
Ed Ames
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I can go to a California gun store and handle guns or buy ammo. An Illinois gun store won't even let me touch a firearm.
I can drive to California with a trunk full of guns and ammo, pull off of the interstate, find a safe backstop, and start shooting. Legally, as long as I follow local ordinances. In Illinois as far as I know that's a felony.
That was my point. California has complicated and silly restrictions that don't actually stop you from shooting. The Illinois restrictions are less complicated but generally more onerous. The few exceptions are where Illinois was forced by the courts.
Reloadron
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Back there in post #65 I made a few comments I pretty much stick to however, I see a caveat to all of this nonsense. My daughter was born in NC and my son has a birth certificate from Naples, Italy. I followed the money and my job required moving on a global basis. Had it ever come down to beanies and weenies on the table or owning guns the guns went to the back burner. Sometimes people do what they need to do. Today it is real easy to comment on where I would or would not live because today I collect a pension check and social security as my thank you for all the crap I put up with. It was sort of like being in the military which I was for a period of time.
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California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland...
Unfortunately the list keeps growing.
Unfortunately the list keeps growing.
RE: Midwest
After doing a little research yes New Jersey does indeed have horrible gun laws. ON the other hand you live in Kentucky so you can pretty much just walk into the LGS, buy and be on your way. There are a few States that have worse laws then Illinois, we both agree on that. As for the IL FOID act, here is it's history with "Permission to reprint-republish granted".
Here's the link: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3390
It's interesting reading, albeit a little old but it does go into great history of the IL FOID act.
After doing a little research yes New Jersey does indeed have horrible gun laws. ON the other hand you live in Kentucky so you can pretty much just walk into the LGS, buy and be on your way. There are a few States that have worse laws then Illinois, we both agree on that. As for the IL FOID act, here is it's history with "Permission to reprint-republish granted".
Here's the link: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3390
It's interesting reading, albeit a little old but it does go into great history of the IL FOID act.
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zb338
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Midwest, you really are up on New Jersey laws. It is the worse state in the
Union for gun owners. That's the reason I moved to Pennsylvania about 7
years ago.
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As a gun owner, Illinois is better than California.
Magazine capacity restrictions, assault weapons bans, bullet buttons, many (tens, hundreds?) thousands of people who cannot get a carry license, many handguns that cannot be purchased other than be LE because they are not on the roster...just terrible.
I'm not arguing that CA has crappy gun laws. As I stated in a earlier post CA was 2nd on my list because of people that I know who moved out there and said the gun laws are ridiculous.
I will argue the "no registration or registry" part. The Illinois State Police knows if you have a FOID card, and if you have a CCL. When they pull you over for a traffic stop this info is right their cruisers computer screen. I have ISPs that have been very cool about it (most) because they figure I'm a law abiding citizen and the first thing I'll tell them is if I have a accessible gun and where it's at. There are the few who rush up to the car, hand on sidearm, antsy whose first words are "Do you have a handgun in your vehicle"? Nervous people with guns make me nervous. The locals can pull it up but seldom do. I mean we are talking minor traffic offenses. I consider the police knowing that I am able to own and carry guns "registration".
I will argue the "no registration or registry" part. The Illinois State Police knows if you have a FOID card, and if you have a CCL. When they pull you over for a traffic stop this info is right their cruisers computer screen. I have ISPs that have been very cool about it (most) because they figure I'm a law abiding citizen and the first thing I'll tell them is if I have a accessible gun and where it's at. There are the few who rush up to the car, hand on sidearm, antsy whose first words are "Do you have a handgun in your vehicle"? Nervous people with guns make me nervous. The locals can pull it up but seldom do. I mean we are talking minor traffic offenses. I consider the police knowing that I am able to own and carry guns "registration".
Bobson
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No problem.
Here's where I would not move, mostly but not only on the basis of firearms:
1. Every country on Earth, except America.
2. Every state in America, except Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming.
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What do you have against Idaho? Indiana? Vermont? Montana? Kansas? Maine?
Bobson
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Oh, fair enough; you caught me. More to it than solely looking at current gun laws. My personal bias and interests came into it. Not intentional.
Edited my post to account for my bias. I'd explain why I selected the three states I did, but wouldn't want to trouble you to make a tinfoil hat. Suffice it to say I'm in the camp of people who believe freedom never lasts forever.
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Personally, I would not move to Massachusetts, Connecticut, or New Jersey for the high cost of living, the traffic, and the tough winters. I wouldn't move to NY because outside of NYC, it's like living in the middle of nowhere, but with horrible gun laws. At that rate, I'd rather live in a city, but NYC doesn't appeal to me at all.
The Northeastern states in my book go down as some of the worst states in the nation to live in. The history is nice, but these aren't the same states that fought the British twice. I can live without the sentimental value.
I wouldn't move to California for so many reasons I don't think it's worth spending the time listing them.
MD is a no, just doesn't seem like a state I'd want to live in.
I could probably do Colorado and Illinois. Yeah, they're not very good for 2A, but statewise they're not the worst.
Hawaii is a tough choice. ATM I'd say no because of extremely high living cost and isolation out in the Pacific Ocean, but they do have a lot of Asian girls there. I guess if I ever hit the lottery, I'd move to Hawaii and hire armed security for my protection needs.
The Northeastern states in my book go down as some of the worst states in the nation to live in. The history is nice, but these aren't the same states that fought the British twice. I can live without the sentimental value.
I wouldn't move to California for so many reasons I don't think it's worth spending the time listing them.
MD is a no, just doesn't seem like a state I'd want to live in.
I could probably do Colorado and Illinois. Yeah, they're not very good for 2A, but statewise they're not the worst.
Hawaii is a tough choice. ATM I'd say no because of extremely high living cost and isolation out in the Pacific Ocean, but they do have a lot of Asian girls there. I guess if I ever hit the lottery, I'd move to Hawaii and hire armed security for my protection needs.
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States I Would Never Live In.
I'm FROM New Jersey, ain't never going back. The Nanny/Big Brother is way too much and the taxes
New York for the most part is nice if it wasn't for the 'Big Apple' dictating progressive nonsense to the rest of the population. And the governor has already said folks like me are NOT welcome in 'his' state.
Massachusetts tax and stupid gun laws not for this guy. And the door to door no warrant searching after the marathon bombing is proof those folks are NOT free.
Throw in Connecticut and Rhode Island because of the cost of living, taxes and general lack of liberty. Those governments need a history lesson.
Maryland, love the crab cakes hate the Nanny/Big Brother attitude.
Virginia they are on the brink because of DC and Maryland.
Hawaii too expensive and stupid gun laws.
California, see Hawaii.
Washington and Oregon are being invaded from California and will shortly have the same restrictive gun laws. Sad for the easterners of those states.
Add Illinois, Chicago is way too demanding of all the others that live there like NYC is to the state of New York.
I'm FROM New Jersey, ain't never going back. The Nanny/Big Brother is way too much and the taxes
New York for the most part is nice if it wasn't for the 'Big Apple' dictating progressive nonsense to the rest of the population. And the governor has already said folks like me are NOT welcome in 'his' state.
Massachusetts tax and stupid gun laws not for this guy. And the door to door no warrant searching after the marathon bombing is proof those folks are NOT free.
Throw in Connecticut and Rhode Island because of the cost of living, taxes and general lack of liberty. Those governments need a history lesson.
Maryland, love the crab cakes hate the Nanny/Big Brother attitude.
Virginia they are on the brink because of DC and Maryland.
Hawaii too expensive and stupid gun laws.
California, see Hawaii.
Washington and Oregon are being invaded from California and will shortly have the same restrictive gun laws. Sad for the easterners of those states.
Add Illinois, Chicago is way too demanding of all the others that live there like NYC is to the state of New York.
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danez71
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Ahhh... yes, I forgot about that.
I don't think its a destructive device, but you're right; felony.
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I would not move anywhere with an AWB, a magazine capacity cap less than 30, or where I couldn't get a carry license, even if I were offered a six-figure income to make the move. Thankfully, there are only a tiny handful of states meeting those criteria. Most of the USA is still a free country, and happily some of the best job markets are found in the free states.
Onward Allusion
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Hawaii, California, New Jersey, & NY. We're looking into vacations to the big island but are seriously looking at Alaska because of the stupid carry laws in Hawaii.
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I know you said only the negatives but those places have been covered in spades already.
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I actually like Maine for RKBA. Now constitutional carry,a permit if wanted is shall issue and recognized in many other states, all NFA items OK, all DD OK Silencers OK. No waiting periods state wise period. Private non regulated face to face purchases OK. No registration (beyond LGS required to use 4473). Only Federal laws to deal with. We have hunting laws/bag limits, snow/cold, and state taxes but that is so small a price compared to the lower New England states madness I am happy the others there have not figured it out yet.
SOI actually like Maine for RKBA. Now constitutional carry,a permit if wanted is shall issue and recognized in many other states, all NFA items OK, all DD OK Silencers OK. No waiting periods state wise period. Private non regulated face to face purchases OK. No registration (beyond LGS required to use 4473). Only Federal laws to deal with. We have hunting laws/bag limits, snow/cold, and state taxes but that is so small a price compared to the lower New England states madness I am happy the others there have not figured it out yet.
Most of the states with more onerous gun laws also have other issues that would make them less desirable to me.
The only state I would be unwilling to consider over gun laws would be NY.
CA would probably be at the lower end of acceptable states because of their tax and spend policies that has put them into near bankruptcy, and the high cost of living there.
HI would not be anywhere near to where I want to be just because of the insane cost of living there.
Most of the other serious antigun states like NJ have similar financial issues that would make me think long and hard about accepting a job there.
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To those who have listed IL: Illinois gun laws may have a significant annoyance factor, but they IN NO WAY resemble the prohibitionist laws of Cali, NY, NJ & etc: No mag ban here, no AWB here, No .50 BMG ban here, no may-issue malarky here!
It's really not even fair to dump the Land of Lincoln in the same category any more now that Chi's gun registry is abolished and that IL is a shall issue state. Yes, the FOID is minor annoyance that costs 10 bucks for 10 years. Yes, the archaic 1 & 3 day wait on sales is still there---but private sales are still private thanks to a nifty 'work around' that was a compromise-won allowing a seller to instantly and privately check a potential buyers' FOID validity w/ the ISP.
There are no state restrictions here on shooting on private land. The FOID, while annoying, can be had by ANYONE of ANY AGE provided they are not mentally ill or a criminal; a child can have the FOID w/ parental signature. While Cans, MGs & SBS's are still a no-go here, NFA SBR's, non-explosive DD, and AOW are OK.
I get everyone's various objections to IL as not being a desirable gun-friendly place to live, but seriously this place is no where near the bottom group and in fact is getting better and better.
If I didn't have family and work keeping me grounded here, I'd be in AZ or NM myself.
My own no-go list tops with Hawaii, Cali, Mass, NJ, NY, MD & DC.
It's really not even fair to dump the Land of Lincoln in the same category any more now that Chi's gun registry is abolished and that IL is a shall issue state. Yes, the FOID is minor annoyance that costs 10 bucks for 10 years. Yes, the archaic 1 & 3 day wait on sales is still there---but private sales are still private thanks to a nifty 'work around' that was a compromise-won allowing a seller to instantly and privately check a potential buyers' FOID validity w/ the ISP.
There are no state restrictions here on shooting on private land. The FOID, while annoying, can be had by ANYONE of ANY AGE provided they are not mentally ill or a criminal; a child can have the FOID w/ parental signature. While Cans, MGs & SBS's are still a no-go here, NFA SBR's, non-explosive DD, and AOW are OK.
I get everyone's various objections to IL as not being a desirable gun-friendly place to live, but seriously this place is no where near the bottom group and in fact is getting better and better.
If I didn't have family and work keeping me grounded here, I'd be in AZ or NM myself.
My own no-go list tops with Hawaii, Cali, Mass, NJ, NY, MD & DC.
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ljnowell
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To those who have listed IL: Illinois gun laws may have a significant annoyance factor, but they IN NO WAY resemble the prohibitionist laws of Cali, NY, NJ & etc: No mag ban here, no AWB here, No .50 BMG ban here, no may-issue malarky here!
It's really not even fair to dump the Land of Lincoln in the same category any more now that Chi's gun registry is abolished and that IL is a shall issue state. Yes, the FOID is minor annoyance that costs 10 bucks for 10 years. Yes, the archaic 1 & 3 day wait on sales is still there---but private sales are still private thanks to a nifty 'work around' that was a compromise-won allowing a seller to instantly and privately check a potential buyers' FOID validity w/ the ISP.
There are no state restrictions here on shooting on private land. The FOID, while annoying, can be had by ANYONE of ANY AGE provided they are not mentally ill or a criminal; a child can have the FOID w/ parental signature. While Cans, MGs & SBS's are still a no-go here, NFA SBR's, non-explosive DD, and AOW are OK.
I get everyone's various objections to IL as not being a desirable gun-friendly place to live, but seriously this place is no where near the bottom group and in fact is getting better and better.
If I didn't have family and work keeping me grounded here, I'd be in AZ or NM myself.
My own no-go list tops with Hawaii, Cali, Mass, NJ, NY, MD & DC.
^^ quoted for truth. The haters will be along any time though.
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