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Which Could Handle A Steady Diet of +Ps Longer?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Texasred, Aug 1, 2008.

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  1. Texasred

    Texasred Member

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    I have a Glock 30 that I am using to carry. But it is too thick to carry all the time and I really need to pick up a Hi-cap 9mm.

    I want something that I can Practice with on a heavy weekly basis. I want 9mm because I know overall the ammo is cheaper and I reload anyways. So here the selection is:

    1. Beretta 92
    2. Beretta 90-Two
    3. Glock 17
    4. Glock 19
    5. Sig 226
    6. HK USP
    7. HK P2000

    Which gun would theoritcally last longer and handle the +Ps and even +P+s.
    I have another Glock in 10mm but this choice will be my new carry and shoot very often.

    In all honest I will get a Glock 17 eventually, but will it still beat the others in handling extra pressures?

    But I think the truth is I would like to try a new platform. Can the alloy frames of the Sig or the Beretta handle steady diet of heavy duty use. From what I have heard the Sig can but the Beretta can't.

    Don't know a single thing about HKs, so can you guys help me out?
     
  2. 357wheelgunner

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    I'd vote for the G17 and the P226. They're both tried and true designs, and have been abused for many decades now with much success.

    HKs are basically Glocks, made out of nicer plastic and with inconsistent triggers and a high bore axis. I would never pay that much for a plastic gun.

    If you want the Glock 17, get one. I have fond memories of carrying a Glock 31 (same size as G17, in .357sig) daily. They make great carry guns in a Blade-Tech IWB holster...
     
  3. 10-Ring

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    Per the owner's manual -- go w/ the HK's if you're shooting a steady diet of +Ps ;)
     
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    The HK USP is one of the few pistols designed to handle regular use of +P and +P+ ammo. You will accelerate the wear and tear on the pistol, but it is designed to handle the extra abuse safely.
     
  5. Deer Hunter

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    All of them.

    You'll run out of money before you shake a gun to death with commercial "+P" ammo.
     
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    yeah i think any will take more than you will shoot
    the glock will shoot longest without cleaning though
     
  7. Texasred

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    Sig?

    Can the alloy frame of the Sig reach into the 100,000s of rounds?
     
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    The european guns are proofed to the higher pressures of european 9mm ammo.


    you wont make these things flinch with our lame +p
     
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    All of the above....but I don't see any advantage to using +P+ ammo....stick with +p or standard pressure and feel comfortable with your choice....

    ...btw, most of the choices you've listed will have frames as thick as your Glock 30. Ever consider a single-stack 9mm or .45ACP as your alternative carry gun?....
     
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    If you need +P+ 9mm, you just need a bigger gun then a 9mm.

    rcmodel
     
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    +P sure, but i believe the obscenely expensive MK 23 is the only one that is factory rated for +P+ ammo.
     
  12. Deer Hunter

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    Now when we are talking about +P+, we're talking about submachinegun ammo, right?

    Because "+P" is mostly a marketing term. Squeezing more power out of traditional rounds is simply logical from a self-defense standpoint.

    +P+ is a term I would give submachinegun ammo. I've heard of ammo to be used for the UZI submachinegun blowing up glocks. But then again, on the internet you hear of a lot of things blowing up glocks.
     
  13. strat81

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    +P is an actual SAAMI rating.

    +P+ exceeds SAAMI specs and can be 10 psi/cup over or 2,000 over.

    Higher pressure does not necessarily mean more velocity. Pressure also occurs over a span of time. Some rounds/powders have a quick spike of high pressure while others draw that pressure out longer.



    As to the original question... have you considered a CZ-75 variant, either from CZ, Magnum Research, or Armalite? What about a S&W 5900-series pistol? All steel is an enticing choice.

    Given your choices, I'd go with the Beretta 92 or Glock 17. The Glock is a good choice due to the amount of aftermarket support for the gun.
     
  14. tblt

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    Sig or HK
     
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    The USP is rated for it from the factory.

    The next one I'd go with would be the Beretta for its steel frame followed by the Sig with its aluminum alloy frame.

    coming in last would be the Glocks which I'd be perfectly happy to shoot with some +p ammo. ;)
    then again the Berettas did start breaking after only a few thousands rounds with some very high pressure US Army ball ammo but IIRC, that ammo was wildly over pressure compared to the NATO spec ammo intended for the Berettas.
     
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    who can afford to shoot +P+ ammo other than to check for reliability and then for carry purposes. Makes no sense to me to shoot that ammo for paper punching purposes
     
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    I've shot the Hirtenberger sub gun ammo out of my Glock 17- that stuff is pushing over 40K on the SAAMI scale. The base of the brass was bulged a bit, but the gun didn't seem to mind.

    It wasn't on purpose, as my buddy mixed up my ammo with the stuff for his MP-5.:what:
     
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    Well I have REALLY considered the CZ SP 01.
    Man this things looks and sounds really good.
    But my problem is that I have this Perception that only polymer guns can handle serious use.

    I'm sorry oldtimers and traditionalists, but these torture test have really convinced me lately.

    I don't even trust ALLOY frames. I have this feeling that the alluminum will give out over the other metal that it is mixed with!
     
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    Yes I love my Glock 30, but I would really like something that is a little slimmer and more affordable on ammunition.
     
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    That is why I pick the 9mm.

    Now I am off to the box o truth!
     
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    Because they write it in their manual it must be true. :rolleyes: They're not even the most durable when shooting regular 9x19.

    +P won't do a thing to any robust 9x19.

    I'd have to vote for Glock. Those things can take a pounding. This has been well noted on the rental ranges.
     
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  23. SimpleIsGood229

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    Texasred,

    Have you considered the Glock 36? It's basically a single-stack G30.
     
  24. strat81

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    I wouldn't worry about an all-steel gun not holding up as well as polymer. Look at all of the 1911s in use in IDPA and other games... those guns seen a ton of rounds through them and the steel 1911 frames hold up.

    Also, I'm pretty sure that Beretta 92 frames are aluminum alloy, not steel.

    The SP-01 is supposedly designed around hot, NATO-spec ammunition. I just got one and the recoil spring and mainspring are STOUT.

    As for polymer lasting longer, we won't know for another 70-80 years. But, consider how many old K-frames, Colts, and 1911s are running around out there.

    I'd be more concerned about parts availability and warranty support than steel vs. alloy vs. polymer. Of course, if you're firing a lot of how loads, be prepared to change springs regularly.
     
  25. usp9

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    I got a good chuckle out of that, thanks. :rolleyes:

    My USP manual says +P and +P+ is OK, but wear will be accellerated. This is true of any pistol of course.

    The Berettas are tested and tortured with only military ammo, but I'm not sure what the manual says. They are very robust guns...

    Older Kahrs were Rated +P+ from the factory, at least the manual said so. I think they recommend staying at +P or lower today.

    Pretty much yes, but some LE agencies use it as their standard handgun load. Personally I've only fired +P+ a limited amount and found it messed with my follow-on shot speed alot. I don't use it any more.
     
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