Which Could Handle A Steady Diet of +Ps Longer?

[berettashotgun]

I want 9mm because I know overall the ammo is cheaper and I reload anyways.
Mister, You just lost any chance of warranty - right there!
I'll play devils advocate here
Let me get this straight,
you want to kill a pistol by overfeeding it,
you want an objective opinion for clarity in your decision of make of said pistol,
BUT YOU RELOAD +P+ ammo.
Some one posted to "get another caliber" if you run +P+ ammo, I'll agree.
I don't see how using +P+ RELOADS

is going to be cheaper..............in the long run.

 

[buenhec]

I have probably shot 2k rounds of 9mm +P in my Sig 229, never had a problem. Gun is as tight as ever.

 

[jonboynumba1]

The GLOCK...not theory...proven

I have a few buds that do a LOT of shooting for a living...one trains DOE security personel all over the country....one is one of the training officers for a large metro police dep. here in AL. (he shoots matches and goes to every school/class they will send him to and has a laundry list of credentials to prove it.) The 9mm GLOCKs will often have an accuacy drop around the 40-50K (you read me right FORTY to FiFT THOUSAND) round mark. The usually start to really suffer usable accuacy issues at 80-100K rounds (that is where the barrel is just flat wore arse out) good usable accuracy generally requires replacing the barrel with a new one. The DOE guy says he's done this at least twice he can recall on some of his older GLOCK 9's and they still shoot well enough he hasn't ever replaced them. Most of those type of guys will have several firearms and teach with what a given security force/group are using.

The hexagonal rifling seems to maintain usable accuracy longer than traditional rifling does...most 1911's with GI barrels seem to have around 2-3K rounds of best accuracy life with stainless barrels doubling or tripling thatfrom what I have seen...that is not to say they are useless after that...just past their prime accuracy point. I believe the Beretta and S&W semis of yesteryear where considered to have a service-life of 30-40k rounds...much more than the average civilian shooter will ever likely puit through one. I shoot a lot for a civy and probably average 2-4K rounds a year centerfire pistol depending on the year and my work schedule. so it would take me more than a decade to wearout even a S&W or Beretta (and again a new barel (and locking block in the Beretta...I think they consider that a change every 10K part? I can ask a bud again...he's a cert Armorer from ALL the above)

With regular maintenace and swapping parts as they wear there's really no telling how long you "could" keep a gun running well. If I get 10 years out of it it's paid for itself anyway...The GLOCK will probably be almost broken in by then-LOL

And of course 1911's are like chevy trucks...they are never worn out they just need new parts every 50-100K miles...a good excuse to trick them out a bit if ever there was one!

+P in 9mm is not really all that stressfull anyway when you compare it to the same guns chambered in .40 on the same frame/actions...so +P is not really an issue IMHO

 

[Texasred]

Sorry if I upset you Berettashotgun, but I am just looking for something stout and hi capacity that offers a little more capacity with a little less size.
I know what a .45 is and I know what a 9mm is and I don't shoot exclusive handloads but this is just an option for me because I don't reload as often as I should.
Time is more an issue than anything and quality 9mm ammuntion is easy to find from Academy, Walmart, and every gun store on earth.

I figure if I can afford more ammo, then I can easily overpass the power factor with placement through practice.

 

[Texasred]

Hey jonboy, I think your right, I'll just get a Glock and I really appreciate the advice.

But one thing I don't understand is the .40s supposed ability to wear the gun out faster.

My speer reloading manual says the 40 has, if I remember correctly, 35,000 psi. So where does the extra wear come from? The slightly heavier recoil?

 

[mr.trooper]

But my problem is that I have this Perception that only polymer guns can handle serious use.

WOW.... what makes you think that plastic is stronger than heat treated steel?

 

[jonboynumba1]

I think a G17 or 19 (wish the 19 fit my hand better) is hard to beat. I carry a G22 but I've owned the 17,19,22 (x3),23, and 21 and shot most of the others. 9mm is eaier on the shooter when you start shooting large volumes of ammo...many of the officers that carry G22's and go through the FBI 3 day class (think it's 1500 rounds?) have bought or borrowed 17's from us for this reason (also cheaper when you are going through that much ammo in 3 days) I have noticed MANY prof. instructors carry G19's as well. My best bud has carried an OLD G19 for years and it was used when he bought it...still performs like a new one. The 17 was my first GLOCK and is still one of my favorite models....very easy to shoot fast and well with. I don't think a gun has to be plastic to be rugged....it just has to be a GLOCK But in all seriousness I put 4K+ rounds through my 1911 last year and it still shoots like a top....unfortunately I sold it in a moment of extreme stupidity. So I guess I get to build a new one now!

I shoot (carry ammo wise) speer 124gr +P in 9mm and Corbon 135gr in .40 even the factory ball in 165 or 180 kicks a bit more in .40 than the +P 9 does in the 17 vs ball in the G22...not a huge difference but you can feel it...I guess it's the heavier bullet...dunno (don't notice much difference in the carry ammo...don't shoot a whole lot of it though ($$$$-LOL)...haven't done the math on the percieved recoil. I had a GF that could shoot the 9 in a GLOCK or XD but didn't like the 40...for her it was more noticable I guess....oddly enough she equally disliked the bosses Browning HP practical in 9mm...said it kicked too hard to....so I guess it depends on the gun and person more than anything else. If you buy a used one get one with the angled corner/breechface opening. The old 17's are bad about occassionally spitting brass in your face or top of your head when you get them really heated up...forgot to replace shooting glasses and caught some brass in the eye one day from that...of course having the proper safety gear on would have made it a non-issue...REALLY hurt....really scarred me to (never shot without glasses EVER every since).

Enjoy your gun whatever you get and shoot safe!

 

[burningsquirrels]

if you want to beat on the gun with +P+... then get a glock with a KKM match barrel. open gun folks use it to shoot major power factor 9mm in uspsa competition all the time... typically 147 grains near or at 1200 fps out of the g34's barrel.

 

[atblis]

Well

WOW.... what makes you think that plastic is stronger than heat treated steel?

It would seem counter intuitive, but in actuality plastic is better in certain situations.

You want durability over many many repeated cycles. Not simply strength. Figure in that the frame really doesn't do that much. In some ways it's just kinda along for the ride. Sorta similar to the recievers on ARs.

My best guess is that plastic has a cushioning effect, and isn't subject to some of the fatigue and other issues that arise with metals due to repeated loadings, impacts, stresses, etc. etc.

 

[skers69]

Both my Glock 26 and CZ PCR can shoot +P and +P+. For me I only have +P ammo for SD/HD. I shoot the cheap regular pressure rounds for most of my range time. I have spent alot of time and money testing various ammo and have now come to the conculsion that Gold Dot 124 +P works best for my SD/HD needs. For me I guess I do not want to spend the extra money on the high pressure stuff all the time when I can take that extra money and get more rounds of the cheap stuff. Do what is best for you.

 

[atblis]

I do not want to spend the extra money on the high pressure stuff all the time when I can take that extra money and get more rounds of the cheap stuff. Do what is best for you.

Guess what, 9x19 +P is pretty much nothing more than a marketing scam. The Europeans seem to think the 9mm Parabellum is a 37,700 psi cartridge (using their testing methodology). They invented the darn cartridge and have used it for the last 100 years so I think they might have some say over what a standard 9x19 load is.

+P SAMMI loads actually test out lower than CIP 9x19 loads.

So let's think about this
1) The people trying to sell you guns and ammo and make as much money as possible, down load a cartridge and call that the standard load.
2) They then load to what should be the standard pressure.
3) Call it something special.
4) Charge you a premium for what is literally just a little extra powder.

Save you money and buy a reloading machine and make your own +P ammo.