Which is best for home defense, 12ga or .223 carbine?

[Quintin Likely]

The rifle also has it's own intimidation factor. Ask the goblin who came knocking on my door one night, looking for my apartment's previous resident.

You answer the door with a rifle?

<note to self: Don't go to this guy's house unannounced>

 

[Blain]

the Justice Dept say something like... overall if you are shot you basically have a:

70% chance of surving a handgun round.
30% chance of surving a rifle round.
1% chance of surving a shotgun BLAST. (regardless of gauge or shot in their studies)

Case closed.

 

[B Coyote]

A little history is in order...

Okay, I'll give you story behind WHY I answered the door with my rifle.

For the first two years we lived in this apartment, people would come a'knockin' at strange hours of the night. When I say knock, I mean pounding, kicking and shaking the door....demanding to be allowed entry. Knocking was usually accompanied with "I know you in there and I want my money." {expletives deleted by me}

This particular knock was accompanied with the threat of entry through our balcony. We live on the second floor and if you know the trick, you can climb onto the balcony. No, I'll not give away the secret.

Well, I'd already called the police by this time...and I knew he'd make it into the apartment before they got here. So, I figured "what the hell....". I told him to keep his pants on, I was getting dressed. I should mention this occurred at just after 3am.

I chambered a round in the Bushy, clicked the Aimpoint on....and flipped the dead bolt, stepping back so he'd open the door. Sure enough, he did. So, there's me in my boxers with a REALLY big rifle trained on his chest. His eyes did a and he backed up. I told him the person he's looking for doesn't live here and that he'd be smart not to return. He agreed, and we haven't had any problems since. Amazing coincedence.

The police finally arrived and the officer was really cool....and confirmed my belief the apartment's previous resident was a drug dealer.

FWIW, we hope to move by the end of this year...if all goes as planned with our finances. I can't wait....this apartment complex it simply too ghetto for my liking.

bc

 

[Blain]

The nerve of some people.

 

[280PLUS]

i had a real drunk nutjob banging on my door one night, not having a gun at the time i grabbed the next best thing (?) a ball peen hammer.

he's screaming "let me in or i'll break this door down!"

my calm reply, in a voice only he could hear, "you do and you'll die"

he changed his mind and went away quietly

about 2 weeks later the FBI swarms his place and hauls him away on murder 1 charges...



can you say, "close shave?"

 

[Byron Quick]

about 2 weeks later the FBI swarms his place and hauls him away on murder 1 charges...

Why were the feds involved in this...that's a state charge?

I live in a brick house. The side of the house that has entrance doors does not have windows. The side of the neighbor's house adjoining is brick and does not have windows or doors facing my house.

I have shot the brick wall of a burned house with .223 at the same spot from a distance of fifty yards...20 rounds-none penetrated.

I've seen a wild boar shot with 00B...none penetrated his gristle plate...slugs killed him. On the other hand, people don't have a gristle plate though some wear armor. There have been some home invasions from non SWAT/police wearing armor.

I'm going with my Mossberg 590...20 inch barrel and a couple of bandoliers of shells...one buckshot...one slug.

 

[yucapote]

Bad Guy: "argghhhhhhh, I feel numb, where does the shotgun blast came from?!?!?!"

I: "Checkmate Fool"

 

[benEzra]

The .223 carbine for me--a Ruger mini-14 with Choate pistol grip stock, slightly shortened. I use light JHPs (Federal 40-gr) rather than FMJs to prevent overpenetration and reduce the risk of multiple wall penetration.

 

[280PLUS]

"why were the feds involved?"

i think he did the deed in another state and i believe (but i'm not sure) that once you cross a state line the feds get involved?

i wasn't privvy to all the details, i was just glad the (expletive deleted) was gone

besides, the neighbors told me it was the feds, i wasnt actually there, so,,,

 

[Waitone]

I recently read a report pertaining to tactics used in house clearing in Gulf II. Seems both Army and Marines did the entry thingy with everyone sporting skinny barrels.

Evidently there was a problem with getting the bad guy first when using skinny barrles. Shortly thereafter the call went out for 12 ga fat barrels. Don't know anything about the load. I just thought it interesting how fast they adapted to reality when reality and training didn't match.

 

[280PLUS]

i wonder if theyre duckbilling again?

m

 

[Blain]

I recently read a report pertaining to tactics used in house clearing in Gulf II.

Would you happen to have a link or pitureo this report? I sure would like to see/read it! It's funny if true that reality quickly showed that the 12 gauge is superior close quarters weapon than any carbine!

 

[E357]

If I can wear Kevlar and body armor when house cleaning with 4 other guys, I'll take a 12 guage. If I have to hide behind something solid and shoot at who knows where or what at close range - I'll take my 357 or 45. Of course responding to a known threat at the front door the "rack" is usually the end of the encounter.

Elliot

 

[Moparmike]

Yowser. Yall certainly seem to have a great deal of need for all those massive amounts of firearms. Dont get me wrong, I like firearms. I just havent encountered the need to have 4 of them at my bedside.

Personally, I would prefer a 12-gauge tactical. Maybe a mag extension as well.

Thus concludes my first post .

Yall have a good one.