bobbo
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Exactly. Take a look at New England Firearms. They've moved production from Massachusetts to Illion, NY not too long ago. It wasn't politics that made the move.
Why are so many gun companies in anti-gun states?
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Exactly. Take a look at New England Firearms. They've moved production from Massachusetts to Illion, NY not too long ago. It wasn't politics that made the move.
Ghosty1
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go global...sig sauer was swiss, but had to have (due to laws) the actual firearms made outside of the country. as <insert adjective here> would have it, germans manufactured the swiss design for decades.
now?
New Hampshire.
Funny Glock tale as well. i see posts, not so many here, that think that symra Ga facility makes glocks.
they do not. assembly and support, minor refits and machining.
I digress. i think it was a good question...but i think there is no good answer.
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now?
New Hampshire.
Funny Glock tale as well. i see posts, not so many here, that think that symra Ga facility makes glocks.
they do not. assembly and support, minor refits and machining.
I digress. i think it was a good question...but i think there is no good answer.
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supercalvin56
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Three of the BEST are from the WEST
Cooper...Montana
Dakota...South Dakota
Freedom Arms...Wyoming
Cooper...Montana
Dakota...South Dakota
Freedom Arms...Wyoming
ny32182
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I'm pretty sure Cooper contributed directly to the Obama campaign. Normally I don't care about the supposed political affronts that many seem to read into any little thing a company does, but that is a pretty blatant move for a gun company.
Years ago there were very few anti gun state legislatures if any at all.
The effete media and girly men have attained a lot of underserved influence and attention over the years.
They don't like us but they especially don't like our guns.
You see people aren't evil, guns make them that way.
The effete media and girly men have attained a lot of underserved influence and attention over the years.
They don't like us but they especially don't like our guns.
You see people aren't evil, guns make them that way.
Evergreen
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Isn't it ironic that the original Kalashnikov was designed and built in a country where people are not allowed to own them.
rattletrap1970
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The only thing really bad about Connecticut as far as gun laws goes is the Assault Weapon Ban. It was just a piece of feel good legislation enacted during a time of a lot of shootings both here and around the country. It never helped, or saved anyone and prevented nothing. Everything else really isn't that bad at all.
lobo9er
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anti-gunners maybe controlling the parent companies
Iron Sight
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Unistat
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No kidding!Jack Daniels Whiskey
jlpskydive
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Para is now re-located to NC just outside of Charlotte.
SSN Vet
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move a factory over state politics?
and then a year later the politics change!
People living in "less than free" states need to "throw the bums out"
and then a year later the politics change!
People living in "less than free" states need to "throw the bums out"
Tinpig
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The Connecticut River Valley from Hartford, Ct. to Springfield, Mass. has been a manufacturing and machining center since the Industrial Revolution. Textile mills, sewing machines, guns, you name it.
The Massachusetts Legislature is stupid, but not stupid enough to lose S&W, a business with $425 million in annual sales and 900 employees. The Commonwealth just approved a $6 million tax incentive for S&W, and S&W is going to add another 225 jobs at its 50 acre site in Springfield, Mass. This coincides with the move of Thompson Center from NH to Mass.
So while the State Legislature may be anti-gun, they're not anti-business.
And although I'm happy to see the company stay here and thrive, it burns me that S&W happily takes the taxpayers' money but won't make the effort to get all their products on the Massachusetts-approved sales list.
The Legislature could probably make that a stipulation, but they won't because they're giving a tax-incentive to a company whose products they don't want their own citizens to own.
Business and politics as usual. Screw the legitimate local gun-owner.
Tinpig
The Massachusetts Legislature is stupid, but not stupid enough to lose S&W, a business with $425 million in annual sales and 900 employees. The Commonwealth just approved a $6 million tax incentive for S&W, and S&W is going to add another 225 jobs at its 50 acre site in Springfield, Mass. This coincides with the move of Thompson Center from NH to Mass.
So while the State Legislature may be anti-gun, they're not anti-business.
And although I'm happy to see the company stay here and thrive, it burns me that S&W happily takes the taxpayers' money but won't make the effort to get all their products on the Massachusetts-approved sales list.
The Legislature could probably make that a stipulation, but they won't because they're giving a tax-incentive to a company whose products they don't want their own citizens to own.
Business and politics as usual. Screw the legitimate local gun-owner.
Tinpig
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Cause in CT we were making firearms before the US extended past the Mississippi, heck the US wasn't even an idea.
While slightly gone astray CT will come around again. Other than the Assault Weapons ban which I'm hoping is eventually turned over the laws are not that bad. CT has pretty good concealed carry laws.
While slightly gone astray CT will come around again. Other than the Assault Weapons ban which I'm hoping is eventually turned over the laws are not that bad. CT has pretty good concealed carry laws.
mustang_steve
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It's the people...if they were to move, they'd lose well trained people, some of which are likely masters at the particular task they perform.
The quality repurcussions from this could last years or even a decade as fresh hands are brought up to speed and develop their own styles for ensuring a good quality level.
As for the decade comment....you have to have been involved in large scale manufacturing hands-on to truly realize how many things can go wrong, and some of those things are so subtle that you need someone that has seen it before to spot and report it before it slips through the process. It takes much time to get that good.
The quality repurcussions from this could last years or even a decade as fresh hands are brought up to speed and develop their own styles for ensuring a good quality level.
As for the decade comment....you have to have been involved in large scale manufacturing hands-on to truly realize how many things can go wrong, and some of those things are so subtle that you need someone that has seen it before to spot and report it before it slips through the process. It takes much time to get that good.
FROGO207
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How about---------If you manufacture a product that is illegal to own where you build it the employees will have little incentive to pilfer stocks to build their own toys for personal use. 
Just say'n.
Just say'n.Omaha-BeenGlockin
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Simply disgracefull.
With molded plastics and CNC machining---not so sure the "people" argument holds much water these days.
Were I a CEO or owner --I would be looking to move to a "free" state ASAP----with limited taxes and more individual freedoms---if anything to make a point and possibly a better climate----and let the Progressive/Commies rot in the hell of their own cess pool.
With molded plastics and CNC machining---not so sure the "people" argument holds much water these days.
Were I a CEO or owner --I would be looking to move to a "free" state ASAP----with limited taxes and more individual freedoms---if anything to make a point and possibly a better climate----and let the Progressive/Commies rot in the hell of their own cess pool.
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The ammo company that makes most (all?) of Winchester branded ammo just moved out of IL. Presumably because of the horrible taxes here. We're expected to see more and more businesses leaving this state in the coming years.
The property taxes in East Alton (where Olin-Winchester is located) are high, as they are in all of Madison County. Olin wanted to make it up by cutting back on the worker's contract. The Union membership (against the advice of their negotiators) voted not to take the cut. I know a few people who work there and they said the jobs weren't all that great so they let 'em go to GA. (where the rimfire plant moved years ago.)
They haven't moved production yet, but did transfer about 40 executive jobs recently. It'll be a couple more years before the center-fire production moves south. The workers knew what they were doing when they voted, Olin would move if they did not accept the cuts. They figure they can get other jobs locally that are just as good and were in no hurry to win the "race to the bottom." A couple of my friends have been there for years and still don't make $20.00/hr, so I see their point. The company doesn't seem to generate a lot of loyalty from their workers.
It was a business decision, Olin can pay less in property taxes and save even more in wages by moving south. They also will likely get a break on their state income taxes from GA. Olin Brass Works will remain in East Alton though, it was only their centerfire production that will move. (2 seperate companies)
The ammo company that makes most (all?) of Winchester branded ammo just moved out of IL. Presumably because of the horrible taxes here. We're expected to see more and more businesses leaving this state in the coming years.
The property taxes in East Alton (where Olin-Winchester is located) are high, as they are in all of Madison County. Olin wanted to make it up by cutting back on the worker's contract. The Union membership (against the advice of their negotiators) voted not to take the cut. I know a few people who work there and they said the jobs weren't all that great so they let 'em go to GA. (where the rimfire plant moved years ago.)
They haven't moved production yet, but did transfer about 40 executive jobs recently. It'll be a couple more years before the center-fire production moves south. The workers knew what they were doing when they voted, Olin would move if they did not accept the cuts. They figure they can get other jobs locally that are just as good and were in no hurry to win the "race to the bottom." A couple of my friends have been there for years and still don't make $20.00/hr, so I see their point. The company doesn't seem to generate a lot of loyalty from their workers.
It was a business decision, Olin can pay less in property taxes and save even more in wages by moving south. They also will likely get a break on their state income taxes from GA. Olin Brass Works will remain in East Alton though, it was only their centerfire production that will move. (2 seperate companies)
crossrhodes
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I would be to afraid exercise the open carry in CT. I just don't think it would go over to well with people there now, maybe 20 or 30 years ago you could get away with it.
I would be to afraid exercise the open carry in CT. I just don't think it would go over to well with people there now, maybe 20 or 30 years ago you could get away with it.
MikePGS
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I've always wondered the same thing. I'm surprised some of the companies in unfriendly states haven't moved to Michigan which is a friendly(er) state that has a good amount of unemployed people who have skills required to manufacture/assemble guns.
I can understand New England, given the time period when some of the big companies were founded.
However, I've also wondered the same thing. Especially when you consider that most of the anti-gun states, are also heavily Democrat run states with HUGE taxes!
For what it's worth, the neat thing with change, I lived in the Colt factory for about 7 years during the '90's. Neat place to live with the history and all (all but the some custom military production had moved to West Hartford by then).
We do have some neat history up this way....... which is sad when you look at the state of things today.
Jonathan
However, I've also wondered the same thing. Especially when you consider that most of the anti-gun states, are also heavily Democrat run states with HUGE taxes!
For what it's worth, the neat thing with change, I lived in the Colt factory for about 7 years during the '90's. Neat place to live with the history and all (all but the some custom military production had moved to West Hartford by then).
We do have some neat history up this way....... which is sad when you look at the state of things today.
Jonathan
10mm Mike
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No offense, but that is an absurd amount of money for being a general laborer in a factory of any kind.
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