The-Reaver
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I want a 454 AR
6mm Remington (started as 244 Remington), good cartridge, still around.
kludge said:Rem decided to make the bolt face proprietary instead of keeping the .284 Win/.308 rim diameter - presumably for better feeding, or maybe safety (current bolts with the .308 Win diameter can't handle the pressure of the .30 RAR - for example the .458 SOCOM bolt).
Name one cartridge in the last 50 years that Remington has successfully launched and it took off, other then the 7mm RM.
Does anyone here know if a .450 Bushmaster bolt can handle 55,000 psi? Obviously we know that a .223 Rem bolt can, but the bolt face for the BM is opened up considerably to accommodate a 0.473" case head over the .378" .223 Rem case head.
kludge said:In my personal opinion, this is why Remington made the .30 RAR with a different rim diameter than the .284 Win parent case.
R.W.Dale said:Remington could have used a .473" case head and avoided any safety concerns over 450BM bolts by simply headspacing the bolt face to a different depth much the same way a 6.5g bolt is different than a 7.62x39 bolt.
R.W.Dale said:Let's face it Remington is a company on a long term FAIL trend. Ask yourselves this , with all the advancements and new firearms we've seen these past 5 years how many truly new things has Remington offered?
Are you living under a proverbial "gun rock"?But it would still be proprietary.
I proprietary bolt is vastly preferable to proprietary brass
I haven't seen many "truly new things" from any other companies either ... nothing that I want anyway. I would be interested to see your list of "all the advancements and new firearms" you refer to. Maybe I missed something.
R.W.Dale said:I proprietary bolt is vastly preferable to proprietary brass .
R.W.Dale said:Every time I read a magazine or watch a gun TV show or listen to guntalk there's a newly introduced model or at the very least a new variation. Everything from pocket 9's to high cap mag bolt actions, plastic revolvers to PCC's from every company under the sun.....except remington...even glock has updated a few models in a minor way.
Not proprietary, just not a .223 bolt. It was SAAMI accepted and open to anyone.But it would still be proprietary.
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Maybe shorten it slightly to fit the AR mag well. I could see it working well necked down to a .277 bullet too. Sounds like a good plan.Remington should have just dropped the AR suffix and reintroduced the original .30 Remington cartridge. With modern propellants and pointy bullets they should have marketed the AR15 platform as the modern day M94 thutty-thutty.
.223 Remington's success has more to do with the military use of the 5.56 than anything else, especially not the marketing of a particular company.
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Name one cartridge in the last 50 years that Remington has successfully launched and it took off, other then the 7mm RM.
Name all those recent cartridges that took off? The most popular rounds are all going on 50 years old or older. Everything else is an oddball round. Out of the top ten selling rounds Rem has the .223, .22-250, and 7mm mag. And those are about 50 years old. Meeting your criteria.Name one cartridge in the last 50 years that Remington has successfully launched and it took off, other then the 7mm RM.
.280? Nope. .260? Nope. 7mm-08? Nope. The 7-08 had hope because it was already a very successful wildcat, and is now growing into it's own. The big green has had virtually nothing to do about it. The .260 is still around and growing because of match shooters mainly, and it will do well. The .280, as perfect as it is as a do-it-all cartridge, can't get out from the shadow of its brethren.
And you can't say the .25-06 either because that was already the most successful wildcat of all time for decades before Remington picked it up.