Why did the NRA throw in the towel?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Skykomish

Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2008
Messages
34
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/01/13/the-nra-throws-in-the-towel-on-holder/

Color me only slightly surprised by this news from Erick Erickson at Red State. The NRA will not use the confirmation vote on Eric Holder as a score for its national rankings this year, limiting their opposition to the nominee for Attorney General to a letter to members. Erick calls this a “pitiful sellout”, but it looks more like a nod to reality:

Sources inside the National Rifle Association tell me the NRA has succumbed to pressure from Democrats to not actively oppose Eric Holder.
Holder has strident, well known anti-second amendment positions. Nonetheless, because the NRA likes to play nice with Democrats, they are going to roll over for Barack Obama on the Holder nomination instead of fighting for, well, the second amendment — their reason for being. …
I’ve now received additional confirmation from the Senate. The NRA will not actively oppose Holder. The NRA will send out a letter in opposition to Holder, but will neither testify against Holder nor score legislators based on their votes for or against Holder.

Erick thinks this has to do with keeping Harry Reid specifically within the pro-gun coalition, but I suspect the NRA is thinking in more general terms. Orrin Hatch announced yesterday that he would support Holder’s nomination, and with Democrats holding 59 more seats, Holder’s anti-gun positions won’t stop his nomination. The NRA has to hope that Holder’s involvement in the FALN and Rich pardons and his connections to Blagojevich will derail his nomination, and a high-profile attack from the NRA could distract attention away from those points.

Of course, it could be that the NRA just doesn’t want to pick a fight, as Erick argues, but that doesn’t make much sense. Wayne LaPierre and the NRA have shown little reluctance to conduct high-profile political campaigns in the past. If they don’t want to do so here, I’d credit that to strategy rather than cowardice — mistaken strategy, I think, but still a strategic decision. The NRA would be better off flexing its muscles here rather than keeping its powder dry. The Attorney General position can create a lot of problems for gun-rights advocates over the next four years.

Will Holder get derailed? Hatch’s surprise endorsement makes the chances rather slim, but Paul Mirengoff still has serious questions about Holder’s honesty and/or competence:

That relationship was announced by Blago himself at a press conference on March 24, 2004. The Illinois Gaming Board had voted, controversially, to approve a license for a casino in Rosemont, Illinois. In response to the controversy, which included allegations of corruption, Gov. Blagojevich called for a full, independent investigation. He announced at the March 24 press conference that Eric Holder would conduct that investigation.
But in his initial response to questions from the Senate Judiciary Committee in connection with his nomination to be Attorney General, Holder did not mention either the press conference with Blagojevich or the representation announced at that conference. Arlen Specter thus sought clarification of the omission.

In his response, Holder may well have dug himself a deeper hole. He begins by conceding that he should have disclosed the press conference and stating that this was an oversight. So far, so good. But then he asserts: “I never performed substantive work on the matter” of “investigat[ing] issues relating to the Illinois Gaming Board.” He also claims that the “engagement” announced by Blagojevich at the press conference “never materialized.”
Holder’s claim that he never performed substantive work on the Gaming Board investigation does not appear to be accurate.

In response to a FOIA request, the Office of the Governor of Illinois has produced a letter of April 2, 2004 from Holder (on Covington & Burling letter head) to the Chairman of the Illinois Gaming Board. The letter begins by stating, “As you know, Governor Blagojevich has appointed me to investigate issues relating to gaming in the Village of Rosemont, Illinois.” After informing the Gaming Board Chairman that “the first stage of the investigation will fous on reviewing documents,” Holder proceeds to request the production of ten categories of documents.

Read the rest. Hatch may have been better advised to hold off on his endorsement until the end of the confirmation hearings.
 
Obama is going to pick an anti-2nd amendment attorney general. There is no way around it. The Democrats have a majority in the Senate, so it will be easy for any Obama appointee to be be confirmed.

If the NRA chooses to fight Holder, they are unlikely to win. Even if they do win, Obama will just nominate some one else who is equally bad, and the NRA will have to fight them too. The NRA will run out of money before Obama runs out of anti-2A attorney general candidates.

So to me, we might as well just accept holder, and save NRA resources to fight the real battles that will be coming up shortly.
 
Agreed. if not Holder then some other moron just like him.

The NRA isn't happy but there's only so much it can do and the reality is that the anti-gun Democrats won... and won big... in the last two elections. They have 58 or 59 Senate seats depending on the Wisconsin outcome (likely 59) and a huge majority in the House. Not to mention the most Leftist president since FDR who is appointing a slew of anti-2A cabinet members and officials in all offices of government.

Bottom line: We're screwed. Screwed but good. This is why the panic buying of guns and ammo.

Welcome to the USSA.
 
On one hand, yes the NRA is caving in, and I wish they would have held firm, but we're in a no win situation on this particular appointment. NRA is trying not to alienate the weak "pro gun" Democrats in congress by being too hard core. I hope some senators embarrass Holder during the confirmation just to send a message that we're not soft.
 
I'll agree that they really have noting to gain, and a lot of dough to lose by fighting his nomination, but scoring politicians who don't or do oppose Holder won't cost them that kind of cash.
Why not just continue to keep score of the politicians? If this type issue won't affect a politician's score, what will be the next issue that the NRA decides isn't worth affecting their scores?
 
"I’ve now received additional confirmation from the Senate. The NRA will not actively oppose Holder." - Erick Erickson (not the famous one, he's dead)

Dang, I didn't know the NRA had a Senate seat and could oppose a nominee. :confused:

John
 
Why not just continue to keep score of the politicians? If this type issue won't affect a politician's score, what will be the next issue that the NRA decides isn't worth affecting their scores?

I think there is a fair amount of political maneuvering going on with the Holder nomination. What we do know is that it will be either Holder, or somebody at least as bad as Holder, that gets the job. I suspect some conservatives will support Holder, because they know this will make them appear cooperative to the Obama administration, and they realize the inevitiability of a Holder nomination.
If the actively oppose Holder they will come across as obstructionist and partisan, and ultimately that will make them look bad, because you can bet they will be on the losing end.

There is no reason to spend any political capital fighting Holder. It is inevitable he will be the AG.
 
Maybe I'm not up to speed on what is active opposition versus passive opposition.

I figure sending their lobbyists and lawyers to Washington in attempt to obstruct Holder's nomination would be futile and expensive.

I define that as actively opposing the nomination.

Scoring each politician according to their behavior would seem to be a passive method. The NRA would still illustrate their opposition to Holder's ideology, but wouldn't be spending the cash in vain.

IMHO, this is only slightly different than them being neutral to Holder. The NRA shouldn't appear neutral to this guy.
 
My guess is that they don't won't to hurt generally pro-gun politicians who are going to support Holder. This is not a contradiction. Holder will be confirmed, and if not him, then someone equally bad. Conservatives might as well not spend what little political capital they have trying to fight this nomination.
 
It'll be easy enough for each of us to keep score of who votes for Holder and vote against them or support their opposition in the next primary or main election.

Conservatives might as well not spend what little political capital they have trying to fight this nomination.

This makes some sense, but what'll it cost us to fight this guy once he gets in? That needs to be taken into account as well.

Woody
 
NRA is going to need all the ammo (and in politics $$$$ is ammo) it can get in the coming fights. They can not afford to waste ammo on a battle they can not win. And defeating Holder only to have some like minded nitwit replace him would be losing. We're going to have a lot of battles to fight over the next 4 years. I don't think it would be wise to to be expending effort on lost causes.

With regard to the rating issue, many soft pro gun Dems will come under tremendous pressure from Dem leadership to cave on gun issues. Faced with a bad rating over Holder, some of them might be more likely to cave..."What the he!!, I'm already going to get a bad NRA rating, might as well do what leadership wants."...

NRA needs to be very careful with some of the "mushy" pro gun types. I hate to say it but we are going to NEED their votes.
 
This makes some sense, but what'll it cost us to fight this guy once he gets in? That needs to be taken into account as well.

Well whether we get Holder, or a Holder Clone, we are going to have to fight once he gets in. It doesn't matter which one we fight, and there is no reason to waste resources fighting Holder if all we will get instead is Holder Clone.
 
The NRA shouldn't appear neutral to this guy.
I concur.

Fighting the nomination is a losing battle, but letting everyone know that their vote will be remembered has some very real value.

Why devalue what little coinage you have?
 
Why?

Because the NRA has helped erode your 2nd Amendment RIGHT all along, only you aren't willing to accept that you've been duped.

"a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
Yes, sometimes I wish NRA would be a little more "in your face"...."thus far and no further". But the simple truth is they are the most powerful ally we've got. Would I switch allegiance to Larry Pratt and GOA? Sure, AS SOON AS he starts raising the kind of $$$ NRA does. $$$ is the MOTHER'S MILK of politics. Until Larry can scare the politicians with his checkbook, he won't be able to scare them with his rhetoric.
 
Keep supporting their efforts to klown you then.

Name the restrictions on your 2nd Amendment rights that your beloved NRA have not "negotiated" for you.

Talking to you, Lone Gunman.

"Shall not be infringed."

Period.
 
The NRA knows better how to play the political game than any of us...I'm betting they did it for a reason, and probably a good one

Everything is not always what it seems (especially in politics)...they have not thrown in the towel, they're just stackin' the deck.

Have a little faith in them...they're pretty much the only voice we have in Washington.
 
I disagree. Going publicly attacking Eric Holder over 2nd A would distract from his corruption and the Rich pardoning.

Covertly funding people who are screaming about this would be vastly cheaper and far more effective.
 
And people wonder why I refuse to join the NRA. Losing battle or not, sometimes you have to FIGHT even if you know you are going to lose just to make a point. I think the point they are making here is loud and clear.
 
i agree that they should not apear neutral, no way. but, maybe they already know he will be shot down by the vote today already. if that is the case, then they may just be trying to not "muck up the political waters", so to speak. we will know tonight, and hopefully, we will have enough votes to send him packing! also, with the suden buying frenzy on firearms and ammo, hopefully, the oblama gang is getting the message "LEAVE OUR DA^^ED GUNS ALONE!". they certainly can not be ignorant to all of the flood of weapons and ammo going out to private individules recently. if the japaneese were afraid of attacking mainland usa in the 40's, our own government aught to get the same message about trying to take our guns from us now. it would certainly be a new civil war. and no president in their right mind would want that on their record, no matter how much he personally hates guns.
 
If NRA fought harder......
If GOA had more money......

Neither of these should matter a record should be kept as a message to these politicians. Then again, if it wasn't for all these idiot socialists who know they can't take over this country without taking our arms (and the idiots who vote them into office), we wouldn't be in this predicament. Do you think anyone would have stood for this in the 40's and 50's?
 
I suspect a "deal" has been made we are not aware of. Just a suspicion, no facts to back it up, at that high level of politics, promises were made by both sides. And we will never know the real story. Again just suspicion on my part. I could be wrong, woudnt be the first time
 
Biker, what part of VA are you in? I'm newport news. And Doc, is that Dr. Or Hospital Corps title?

Oh, and a deal, maybe. But I don't know anything about the dems making deals. They have the majority in every way. I get that they have an air of "we have the power to make what we want, happen" from them
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top