Why did the NRA throw in the towel?
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DocBoCook
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where do you shoot ravanof?
DocBoCook
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Superior Pawn, 104 W Mercury. A little pricey, kinda small, but better priced than other places on the Peninsula
2fewdaysafield
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Congratulations! Every gun owner should be active in the fight and should join at least 1 pro 2A political group.
I don't know Larry Pratt well, but I did some work for him back in the '90s when GOA was pretty new. Larry is a good guy and he runs (or did then) a lean mean fighting machine. Hungry, scrappy and always looking for a fight.
Truth of the matter is, we need BOTH NRA and GOA. I urge everyone who is a member of only one to join both. Whats it going to cost? About the price of a box of centerfire shells.
Small price to pay to have both these organizations in the field fighting for us.
JohnBT
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"Because the NRA has helped erode your 2nd Amendment RIGHT all along, only you aren't willing to accept that you've been duped."
I see, you're the only smart one here. Okay.
Next time, get some facts if you can find any.
John
I see, you're the only smart one here. Okay.
Next time, get some facts if you can find any.
John
dobrzemetal
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Other tactics needed!
"I disagree. Going publicly attacking Eric Holder over 2nd A would distract from his corruption and the Rich pardoning.
Covertly funding people who are screaming about this would be vastly cheaper and far more effective."
This is the kind of stuff were going to have to start doing, I think we can win by using non-conventional tactics.
"I disagree. Going publicly attacking Eric Holder over 2nd A would distract from his corruption and the Rich pardoning.
Covertly funding people who are screaming about this would be vastly cheaper and far more effective."
This is the kind of stuff were going to have to start doing, I think we can win by using non-conventional tactics.
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Just as, you might recall, Bush did.
This would be a waste of NRA's financial and political capital, and as a life member, I want them to use these things wisely.
Furthermore, Holder was opposed by many, from many sides. The NRA's voice would HARDLY have been too influential here.
rbernie
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This is the part that nobody is discussing.
Can the NRA 'fight' the nomination? Not so much. Even if they scuttle Holder, there will always be one just like him or worse waiting in the wings.
I wanna know why the vote on the AG will not count towards the NRA score. That would seem to be an important metric, come grade time. Clearly, the NRA expects that folk who they WANT to get a good score will also vote for Holder, and so they are giving these folks a Mulligan.
But why?
2fewdaysafield
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rbernie....For an answer to your question, read the second half of post #10.
JohnBT
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"Which "facts" are you disputing, John?"
We can start with two statements you made earlier as if they were facts and not that they were simply your opinion. Here they are:
"Because the NRA has helped erode your 2nd Amendment RIGHT all along, only you aren't willing to accept that you've been duped."
First one: the NRA has helped erode your RIGHT
Second one: we've been duped and aren't willing to accept it
I say neither one is a fact and that your statements are false.
Clear?
John
We can start with two statements you made earlier as if they were facts and not that they were simply your opinion. Here they are:
"Because the NRA has helped erode your 2nd Amendment RIGHT all along, only you aren't willing to accept that you've been duped."
First one: the NRA has helped erode your RIGHT
Second one: we've been duped and aren't willing to accept it
I say neither one is a fact and that your statements are false.
Clear?
John
2fewdaysafield
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Lets be nice
Lets avoid being tooo personal. I'd rather not see this thread locked.
Maybe NRA isn't as tough as many of us would like, but they are still the biggest, strongest friend we've got.
Support GOA, NRA and any other progun group you like, but don't turn on any of them because they are not QUITE as good a friend as you would like.
Lets avoid being tooo personal. I'd rather not see this thread locked.
Maybe NRA isn't as tough as many of us would like, but they are still the biggest, strongest friend we've got.
Support GOA, NRA and any other progun group you like, but don't turn on any of them because they are not QUITE as good a friend as you would like.
Denial isn't a river in Egypt.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A560743B-3048-5C12-00F65445761CBD3A
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/14/nation/na-guns14_
http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/2007/05/nra-endorsed-senator-i-never-promised.html
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/paul_ron_nra_endorses_gun_control_democrat.htm
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A560743B-3048-5C12-00F65445761CBD3A
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/14/nation/na-guns14_
http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/2007/05/nra-endorsed-senator-i-never-promised.html
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/paul_ron_nra_endorses_gun_control_democrat.htm
2fewdaysafield
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ravonaf...
If your links were aimed at me, thank you for the information....but what was your point?
That the NRA isn't perfect on 2A?
I know that. Anyone should know that.
We gun owners are a BIG bunch of people. With widely differing views on what is acceptable as far as "gun control" is concerned. I happen to be one who feels that 2A SHOULD guarantee our right to own any type of weapon we can afford to buy. Including tanks and fighter-bombers. Although I am not sure about NBC weapons.
I OFTEN disagree with the NRA. But I'm not willing to say to HE!! with an organization as big and powerful as NRA just because I don't feel they are perfect.
We gun owners need all the friends we can get, ESPECIALLY ones as powerful as NRA.
If we start crucifying our friends every time we discover they are not as pure as driven snow, then our rights are DOOMED.
I believe (and this is only my opinion) that we should treat NRA the way we should any other politician who is GENERALLY pro gun. Write him. Pat him on the back when he does the right thing. Tell him why he is wrong when he does the wrong thing. But for heavens sake don't treat him like Nancy Pelosi just because he isn't right all the time.
If you love your guns and 2A, then send NRA a lousy $25 per year. Do the same for GOA or whoever you prefer.
I make darn little $$$. But I make sure I allocate $250 per year for pro gun causes. Thats less than $5 per week. But its what I can afford. Truth be told I, and everyone else here, should tithe to pro 2A causes.
NRA may not be our BEST friend. But they ARE our friend, most of the time. And they are our biggest and most POWERFUL friend on Capitol Hill. Send them a lousy $25 per year. Thats less than $0.49 per week. Damn small price to pay for the MANY things they do that we do agree with.
MODS....I'm trying to be VERY civil. Hope you're not reaching for your "lock" button. If I am going too far, please delete my subscription to this thread.
If your links were aimed at me, thank you for the information....but what was your point?
That the NRA isn't perfect on 2A?
I know that. Anyone should know that.
We gun owners are a BIG bunch of people. With widely differing views on what is acceptable as far as "gun control" is concerned. I happen to be one who feels that 2A SHOULD guarantee our right to own any type of weapon we can afford to buy. Including tanks and fighter-bombers. Although I am not sure about NBC weapons.
I OFTEN disagree with the NRA. But I'm not willing to say to HE!! with an organization as big and powerful as NRA just because I don't feel they are perfect.
We gun owners need all the friends we can get, ESPECIALLY ones as powerful as NRA.
If we start crucifying our friends every time we discover they are not as pure as driven snow, then our rights are DOOMED.
I believe (and this is only my opinion) that we should treat NRA the way we should any other politician who is GENERALLY pro gun. Write him. Pat him on the back when he does the right thing. Tell him why he is wrong when he does the wrong thing. But for heavens sake don't treat him like Nancy Pelosi just because he isn't right all the time.
If you love your guns and 2A, then send NRA a lousy $25 per year. Do the same for GOA or whoever you prefer.
I make darn little $$$. But I make sure I allocate $250 per year for pro gun causes. Thats less than $5 per week. But its what I can afford. Truth be told I, and everyone else here, should tithe to pro 2A causes.
NRA may not be our BEST friend. But they ARE our friend, most of the time. And they are our biggest and most POWERFUL friend on Capitol Hill. Send them a lousy $25 per year. Thats less than $0.49 per week. Damn small price to pay for the MANY things they do that we do agree with.
MODS....I'm trying to be VERY civil. Hope you're not reaching for your "lock" button. If I am going too far, please delete my subscription to this thread.
CoRoMo
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COM, same as any threat.
Tony50ae
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You know there are always people who will say that the NRA is not doing enough. That they are not tough enough. That they let our 2nd amendment right erode. To them all I can say is that maybe it is not all the NRA's fault but might be your's too if your not a member! How you say? Simple. An organization like the NRA draws its strength from it's members. Or should I say how many members it has. The NRA has roughly 4 million members. Sounds like alot but compared to the total population of total voters not really. If more gun owners joined imagine the pull the NRA could have by saying hey we have 8 million members who cast votes? or 12 milllion? Does that mean that the NRA will be perfect? Nope, you cannot hope to please that many members.
But if we as gun owners realize that some compromises must be made in such a large organization and just accept it, we might have been better off than the situation we find ourselves in. We like to say that the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla in the room, but I think that due to too many gun owners who won't join it is more like a 600 pound gorilla. Still large but maybe just not large enough anymore. In reality that gorilla should be more like a 2000 pounder. Won't join the NRA? Still plenty of other groups out there that could use more members.
But if we as gun owners realize that some compromises must be made in such a large organization and just accept it, we might have been better off than the situation we find ourselves in. We like to say that the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla in the room, but I think that due to too many gun owners who won't join it is more like a 600 pound gorilla. Still large but maybe just not large enough anymore. In reality that gorilla should be more like a 2000 pounder. Won't join the NRA? Still plenty of other groups out there that could use more members.
2fewdaysafield
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well said tony
Tom S.
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Can you imagine how powerful the NRA would be if every gun owner in America joined? 
Titan6
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You can get your panties out of a wad.
Net impact of the old anti 2A AG on 2A = 0.
Net impact of new anti 2A AG on 2A = ? (likely 0).
Keep in mind the AG serves at the pleasure of the president. He will do whatever the President tells him for the most part. If he doesn't he will start shopping for a new job. So it really doesn't matter much.
Net impact of the old anti 2A AG on 2A = 0.
Net impact of new anti 2A AG on 2A = ? (likely 0).
Keep in mind the AG serves at the pleasure of the president. He will do whatever the President tells him for the most part. If he doesn't he will start shopping for a new job. So it really doesn't matter much.
Name anyone else who has actually done any better -- actually accomplished something, not just talked big.Audrey said:
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Holder will be confirmed and more than likely with plenty of Republican votes. Anyone want to guess where Republican Senators Snowe, Collins, Voinovich, Lugar are on this. Every Democrat Senator will vote for him which will give him at least 58 votes, more than enough to be confirmed. In addition, Repub Sens Hatch and Specter have already announced their intention to support Holder's confirmation and did so in Committee. He passed out of the Judiciary Committee 17-2 with 6 Republican votes.
Even if by some miracle Holder weren't confirmed, it's not like Obama is going to appoint someone like John Ashcroft or some other pro-gun AG. If not Holder, it will simply be some other anti-gun stooge. Remember, Clinton's first two nominees for AG were forced out and we got Janet Reno.
For the NRA bashers, I suppose NRA should have scored Hillary's nomination as well because she too is anti-gun. I think she was confirmed 94-2. I guess they should downgrade everyone for that vote as well. Anyone who was A rated would be no better than a C or D. Of course, as another poster pointed out, those legislators on the margin would no longer have to worry about pissing off the NRA because they already got downgraded for their Holder vote so they might as well vote for AWB 2.
The reality is NRA has to pick their fights wisely. I for one would rather them save their political capital and their "ask" for a major gun bill like opposing any reauthorization of the "assault weapons" ban.
Even if by some miracle Holder weren't confirmed, it's not like Obama is going to appoint someone like John Ashcroft or some other pro-gun AG. If not Holder, it will simply be some other anti-gun stooge. Remember, Clinton's first two nominees for AG were forced out and we got Janet Reno.
For the NRA bashers, I suppose NRA should have scored Hillary's nomination as well because she too is anti-gun. I think she was confirmed 94-2. I guess they should downgrade everyone for that vote as well. Anyone who was A rated would be no better than a C or D. Of course, as another poster pointed out, those legislators on the margin would no longer have to worry about pissing off the NRA because they already got downgraded for their Holder vote so they might as well vote for AWB 2.
The reality is NRA has to pick their fights wisely. I for one would rather them save their political capital and their "ask" for a major gun bill like opposing any reauthorization of the "assault weapons" ban.
HeavenlySword
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The AHSA opposed the Holder nomination and made sure everyone voted for him.
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