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Why do you need more than 10 round mags?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jd70, Apr 18, 2013.

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  1. jd70

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    Here's a great response! Copied from Illinois carry.:D



    Click the link to read the rest of the article:http://www.policeone.com/patrol-iss...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/
     
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  2. UnderTheGun

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    No link from what I can tell. Perhaps it's my settings but just a heads up.
     
  3. tyeo098

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    What link?
     
  4. Sam1911

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    It's coming guys, I've asked jd70 to provide one.
     
  5. SharpsDressedMan

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    Abraham Lincoln, perhaps, said it best: "government of the people, by the people, for the people". If we are truly a nation where the people ARE the government, then the government is not GREATER THAN the people. It is that simple. If the government shall have arms, the people should be so armed.
     
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    Generically speaking why would people need more than 10 rounds? To protect people from looters and gangs. What situation would cause gangs and looters? Armed Korean Store Owners protected their stores gangs of looters during the 1992 LA Riots. Other examples...See Below


    LA Riots 1992
    Katrina 2005
    Hurricane Andrew 1992

    Why would people possibly need more than 10 rounds? To protect people from gangs and looters resulting from.

    Banking Collapse
    Large Hurricane
    Large Earthquake
    Civil Unrest
     
  8. jd70

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    There. Fixed the link. Should work now. Thanks for the patience!
     
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    I don't NEED a car that will go 150mph, but I WANT one. I don't NEED a house with 2500sf, but I WANT one. I don't NEED a steak with potatoes covered with sour cream and real butter, but I WANT one. I don't NEED a lot of things that I WANT, but those things are made, are on the market, are legal to own, and why can't I own them simply because I WANT them?
     
  10. miller.lyte

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    :banghead:

    great article, though.
     
  11. jd70

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    Reading that just gave me the willies ! My bed side gun is a 13 shot 45acp!
     
  12. tyeo098

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    I only carry 16 rounds o.o
     
  13. MedWheeler

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    Remember, folks, those of us not in law enforcement are not obligated to stay in the fight, without also watching for chances to self-extract. This guy was. When the shooter returned to his car, he knew that the officer was going to keep coming after him. That's why he grabbed another gun and re-engaged, and that's why thugs surprised by victims that turn out to be armed and ready to resist typically simply flee; their would-be victims aren't likely to keep coming after them.

    I am guilty of not routinely carrying spare ammo. I used to, but stopped when the pouch I was using to carry the magazine for my PF9 became damaged. I also used to carry a P32 as a second gun, but have become complacent with that as well. I probably should resume carrying a reload, whether it be a spare mag or another gun.

    I still strongly oppose any restrictions, though, on the number of rounds any of us can choose to carry. Each of us lives, works, and plays in different environments (like Deckard mentions below in post 17.)
     
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    Wow, given the circumstances, that officer's marksmanship was pretty exceptional. 33 rounds fired (13 of which were fired through his windshield), and 14 hit the suspect. As chaotic as the situation was, that is very impressive. Its scary that soemone could absorb that many hits from a .45 without dropping immediately, and it certainly goes to show that 10< round magazines may be absolutely necessary in self-defense situations. Anyone, including that officer, could clearly be endangered by magazine limitations. Anyone who says otherwise is saying something similar to "you can put locks on your door, but they can't exceed a certain strength, because that would be unnecessary."
     
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    Now I don‘t feel so paranoid about carrying 2 15 round mag along with my G29 + the 10+2 mag thats always in the weapon, plus 3 6 round speedstrips for my s&w 38 which is my BUG.
     
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    I have shut a few people up with the following logic.

    When something happens that is bad enough that deadly force is required, it probably won't just be ONE bad thing. It will be a lot of bad things happening all at once and careful plans flying out the window. You cannot apply logical limitations to a chaotic situation.

    In Utah, we have a lot of wilderness in varied types of terrain, from desert salt flats to forests of all altitudes. I love to be able to just get out and drive where I won't see anyone else, offload my ATV, and ride. Unfortunately, the abundance of remote areas also attracts pot farmers. They set up grows in canyouns and plateaus where they have a low likelihood of being seen. Some of these grows number in the thousands of plants, with advanced irrigation and fertilizer. Now, for years, I figured that these guys would set them up, with all of the plants and pipes, and then pay a sheepherder (who are mostly of the same general ethnicity) fifty bucks a week to go check the water. But a year or so ago, I was at an outdoor expo, and the local DEA office had a booth set up, so I talked to the agent who was there. He told me I was wrong. They have too much at stake financially. They HAVE to keep watch over the operation, and (this is the important part,) EVERY SINGLE ONE of the farmers they have caught has had firearms on the site, usually an AK.

    So, here is the test question. Let's say I'm tootling around on my quad in a remote area. I head up a canyon, and notice some exposed PVC pipe. A little further, I see a cannabis bush. I immediately turn around and head back down the canyon, and in the road, there are three gentlemen. Let's say I see one gun, but I don't know if the others are armed or not. They are blocking the only way out of the canyon, and they have a LOT riding on this crop. Not to mention a management chain that isn't known for handling bad news very well. Maybe something will happen. Maybe they will step aside, smile, and wave as I ride through. But if they DON'T: HOW MANY SHOTS AM I GOING TO NEED?

    Now when I pose this question, I get a few different responses. Some say I am living in a fantasy world. I tell them that all of this is very real, and not only possible, but likely, when you spend as much time as possible outdoors as I do. Some think I am a trained soldier and I am able to switch magazines like Todd Jarrett. I have to explain to them that the best I have ever been is about two seconds, and that was with an M-4, not the SKS I usually ride with.

    The bottom line is, you have absolutely no idea what kind of trouble you will encounter, where it will happen, or how bad it will be.
     
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    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/23/when-assault-weapons-saved-koreatown/

    "Rhee claimed that the storeowners shot off 500 rounds into the sky and ground in order to break up the masses of people. The only weapons able to clear that much ammo in a very short time are assault weapons. Single shot pistols or rifles might not have been able to deter the crowd hell-bent on destroying the neighborhood."

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  19. 45_auto

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    Sounds like a lot of creative writing to me.

    I just want to learn how to fire "controlled bursts" from my Glock 21.

    Especially how to fire three of them and have "each round" slam into the suspect - all two rounds. Is there less than 1 round per "burst"?

     
  20. Romeo 33 Delta

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    I've never met an Infantry Combat Veteran who ever complained about having carried too much ammo ... after a vicious firefight ... EVER!

    How much ammo is enough ... how large a magazine is necessary ... how many magazines do you need?

    My personal motto: "Enough ... one more magazine than it takes to get the
    job done!"
     
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    "I need high capacity magazines for my semi automatic rifles to level the field against tyranny in my Beloved Nation. The opposition to Freedom and Liberty is not going to come to my door armed with anything less, but allot more! I have a right and an OBLIGATION to protect America from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, and I shall do that with everything in my power. Everything!"
     
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    That article is what I've used many times to show people that .45 ACP isn't a laser of death.

    That officer has my respect.

    But for me? I need a high capacity magazine because multiple attackers is not uncommon, and having more rounds is always good. Always.
     
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    Two things...
    Wow, "ricochet rounds"? I wasn't there, and I'm sure exposing yourself enough to make good shots on a 2-way range is terrifying, but why waste ammo, in a populated residential area? Just something to think about, trying to not armchair quarterback too much.

    Yeah, I think it's fascinating that he's no longer carrying 45, but is now carrying only 9mm. I do have to wonder if he's just concerned that the 45 failed him (just as a 9mm likely would have) and just doesn't trust it, or if he actually believes that a higher volume of 9mm fire is better. If he was only carrying 9mm that day, I wonder if he would be carrying a 45 today for the same reason (distrust of equipment)? Almost surprised he didn't settle on 40.

    Good on him for surviving the attack, and preventing him from potentially causing more harm. Definitely a good case for higher capacity magazines.

    EDIT: I typically carry 9mm, so I'm not trying to say he should stick with 45, just curious as to what his reasons for changing were. I suppose having both a primary and a back up gun take the same magazines makes a lot of sense, I wonder if that's also a contributing factor.
     
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    Yes, it illustrates how bullets aren't magical, and all pistol rounds suck. I carry a .45 because I am very experienced with it and I shoot 1911s the best, but in the real world, the advantage over other pistol bullets is probably negligible.
     
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    I think he's going for capacity. His fight ended when he stopped taking body shots, and started taking head shots. Obviously multiple shots to the head will drop someone, no matter .45 or 9mm. So having more rounds to make those shots is what I believe he's going for.
     
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