Prince Yamato
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So if Mauser is still in business and still uses and makes rifles based on old designs, such as their k98, why don't they rerelease the broomhandle pistols?
Why don't they make new Broomhandle Mausers?
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Jackal
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Because it would be very expensive and wouldn't sell.
The rifles were famous for their strength and a classic design.
The handgun was made in an era when everybody was using a lot of craftsmen and not massive factory automation. It is said to be a very labor intensive design.
Price is an object. Collectors generally want the real thing. Those who don't care wouldn't pay the premium. A Les Baer for $2K sure, but that can be put to practical use. A Mauser doesn't look like it points naturally, so home defence is out. It is large, so CCW is out.
The handgun was made in an era when everybody was using a lot of craftsmen and not massive factory automation. It is said to be a very labor intensive design.
Price is an object. Collectors generally want the real thing. Those who don't care wouldn't pay the premium. A Les Baer for $2K sure, but that can be put to practical use. A Mauser doesn't look like it points naturally, so home defence is out. It is large, so CCW is out.
Strings
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>A Mauser doesn't look like it points naturally, so home defence is out.<
Actually, my Bolo points quite nicely for me, and the Std Commercial does too...
>It is large, so CCW is out.<
Odd... I've got a carry holster for my Bolo. The only reason I wouldn't use it as a regular carry piece is slow reload (fixed mag): later versions of the Broomy had removable mags...
Actually, my Bolo points quite nicely for me, and the Std Commercial does too...
>It is large, so CCW is out.<
Odd... I've got a carry holster for my Bolo. The only reason I wouldn't use it as a regular carry piece is slow reload (fixed mag): later versions of the Broomy had removable mags...
RON in PA
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The Broomhandle was last manufactured in 1939 after about a million copies, but it was never officially adopted by any major power except in small numbers such as the 9x19 version for the Germans in WW1. Too darn expensive to manufacture.
The Chinese still make a copy of the Broomhandle Mauser.
The gun is select fire, can use detachable 10 or 20 round magazines, is capable of accepting a detachable shoulder stock and meets all the US criteria for a truely evil firearm.
Don't make plans on seeing any at 'Ye Oldde Gonne Shoppe' anytime soon.
The gun is select fire, can use detachable 10 or 20 round magazines, is capable of accepting a detachable shoulder stock and meets all the US criteria for a truely evil firearm.
Don't make plans on seeing any at 'Ye Oldde Gonne Shoppe' anytime soon.
borrowedtime69
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huh?!?!
cause i believe that putting a shoulder stock on a pistol is a REAL no-no with the Feds and BATF. they would be very cross with you for having one and they would probably bring down some real bad voodoo on you.
cause i believe that putting a shoulder stock on a pistol is a REAL no-no with the Feds and BATF. they would be very cross with you for having one and they would probably bring down some real bad voodoo on you.
cbsbyte
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Mauser in not Mauser anylonger.
Mauser Oberndorf, the orignal company, no longer makes commerical rifles or any rifle for that matter. Mauser Oberndorf, besides making rifles, also specialzes in defensive weapon systems for military appliactions. After Rheinmetall AG bought Mauser Oberndorf in 1996 they spun off the Commerical rifle division to focus on military contracts. Rheinmetall created Mauser Jagdwaffen to make the hunting rifles. While Mauser Oberndorf only specializes in defensive weapons systems.
And I realized I did't answer your question. They don't make the Broomhandle because it is a complicated, expensive and severaly outdated design that would cost to much to build. I doubt any of the machines are left in the world that can acutally make the parts. Yes, the Chinese did and still might make the pistol. The Chinese version was never considered to be anything but a cheap, rough copy made out of potmetal version of the original. Except not subsitutes.
http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?lang=3&fid=1903
Mauser Oberndorf, the orignal company, no longer makes commerical rifles or any rifle for that matter. Mauser Oberndorf, besides making rifles, also specialzes in defensive weapon systems for military appliactions. After Rheinmetall AG bought Mauser Oberndorf in 1996 they spun off the Commerical rifle division to focus on military contracts. Rheinmetall created Mauser Jagdwaffen to make the hunting rifles. While Mauser Oberndorf only specializes in defensive weapons systems.
And I realized I did't answer your question. They don't make the Broomhandle because it is a complicated, expensive and severaly outdated design that would cost to much to build. I doubt any of the machines are left in the world that can acutally make the parts. Yes, the Chinese did and still might make the pistol. The Chinese version was never considered to be anything but a cheap, rough copy made out of potmetal version of the original. Except not subsitutes.
http://www.rheinmetall-detec.de/index.php?lang=3&fid=1903
browningguy
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THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SHOULDER STOCKS!!!!!
Folks, just read the rules, Mauser Broomhandles and several others (BHP's/Inglis HP's for example) are allowed to have shoulder stocks if originally manufactured for such use. These are C&R guns and are not considered SBR's.
Here's my Inglis HP:
Folks, just read the rules, Mauser Broomhandles and several others (BHP's/Inglis HP's for example) are allowed to have shoulder stocks if originally manufactured for such use. These are C&R guns and are not considered SBR's.
Here's my Inglis HP:
borrowedtime69
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sorry
i stand corrected, just the newly manufactured pistols have strick rules on buttstocks attatched to them. -Eric
i stand corrected, just the newly manufactured pistols have strick rules on buttstocks attatched to them. -Eric
highlander 5
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consider this there is only one screw on the broomhandle mauser in the grip no tools needed to disassemble.
several years ago some one made a run of 45 acp Lugers the number of macine operation with modern cnc equipment was something on the order of 1000 iirc. final cost $10,000 a piece and the mauser is simple in comparisson
several years ago some one made a run of 45 acp Lugers the number of macine operation with modern cnc equipment was something on the order of 1000 iirc. final cost $10,000 a piece and the mauser is simple in comparisson
Jim Watson
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The Chinese made .45 ACP C96 copies. Some came in along with the great selloff of Broomhandles by the Communist Chinese a few years ago. They were around $1500 while the well worn .30s were selling for a couple hundred dollars.
RecoilRob
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If..you could tool up to build them.
If..you could find people skilled enough to build them.
If..you could convince the buying public that they were worth the money you were charging.
Most eventual buyers would find the pistol un-satisfactory. Very poor ergonomics, pointing and reliability. Compared to modern weapons, the C-96 would fare as well as a Model T Ford against a new Fusion.
Sure, there would be people who would buy one for the neatness factor, but most people interested in old guns don't expect them to work like a modern one does.
There IS a reason that no Military officially adopted the C-96. That is, it didn't work well enough. Even compared to the P-08, it doesn't work that well.
Now, please don't think that I don't love the C-96 because I do. It is a chunk of history, the machine work needs to be seen to be believed, and shooting one gives you an appreciation of just how great our modern arms are.
But, given to the rank and file shooter....they would be appalled and unhappy.
P.S. If anyone CAN make new ones that come anywhere close to the quality of the originals...and keep the price below $2000...I'm interested.
If..you could find people skilled enough to build them.
If..you could convince the buying public that they were worth the money you were charging.
Most eventual buyers would find the pistol un-satisfactory. Very poor ergonomics, pointing and reliability. Compared to modern weapons, the C-96 would fare as well as a Model T Ford against a new Fusion.
Sure, there would be people who would buy one for the neatness factor, but most people interested in old guns don't expect them to work like a modern one does.
There IS a reason that no Military officially adopted the C-96. That is, it didn't work well enough. Even compared to the P-08, it doesn't work that well.
Now, please don't think that I don't love the C-96 because I do. It is a chunk of history, the machine work needs to be seen to be believed, and shooting one gives you an appreciation of just how great our modern arms are.
But, given to the rank and file shooter....they would be appalled and unhappy.
P.S. If anyone CAN make new ones that come anywhere close to the quality of the originals...and keep the price below $2000...I'm interested.
Jackal
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And let's not forget, Han Solo used one in Star Wars.
tark
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new broomhandles
I have a new Broomhandle. Still gooped with cosmolene. Only fired once, the proof round. It has the matching holster and it grades out at 99+ I bet if I could put it on E-Bay it would sell in a heartbeat, for a lot of money
I have a new Broomhandle. Still gooped with cosmolene. Only fired once, the proof round. It has the matching holster and it grades out at 99+ I bet if I could put it on E-Bay it would sell in a heartbeat, for a lot of money
Any decent CNC equipped shop could make the parts.
Their are even EDM barrels being made now.
The inside finish looks like a mirror even under borescope magnification.
It would require a large investment in engineering to create cad models/drawings, figure out heat treat, etc., and it is a complicated design.
Like the Luger, the S&W Model 52, and even the Python, it is a dead design.
Complexity and handwork are killers.
Older is better sometimes, but not always.
Get an old one, tune it up, and bang away.
I still take an 1866 Trapdoor Springfield in .50-70 out a couple times a year.
The lock is around 1864.
I even shot a deer with it a few years ago.
Left shoulder.
Went down instantly to a 400 grain bullet at about 80 yards.
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I am so old that I can remember when "Ye olde hunter" in Alexandria had them for about $20. They also had a Nambu for $10.
I passed because bullets were a little hard to find.
Stupid me thought that they would always have plenty of surplus stuff coming in.
At least I bought several Remington rolling block rifles for $5.95 each.
Yes I would love to have a new broom handle.
I passed because bullets were a little hard to find.
Stupid me thought that they would always have plenty of surplus stuff coming in.
At least I bought several Remington rolling block rifles for $5.95 each.
Yes I would love to have a new broom handle.
I'd love one. with 3d printing and composite material construction you'd THINK we'd have a functioning 9mm Han Solo blaster by now 
USAF_Vet
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[Nerd] Han Solo used a Blastech DL-44, not a Mauser C-96. Remember, Han Solo lived long ago in a galaxy far far away. Much further away than Germany, circa 1896.
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I like the C-96 and would really like to have one, but new ones aren't going to happen, at least not with the original design. A newly manufactured broom handle would have to be redesigned from the ground up, giving it only the cosmetic appearance of the classic.
The odd, I won't say poor, ergonomics and balance of the gun, along with the overall look, would only be attractive to WWI & WWII buffs, Germanophiles, etc. The C-96 just doesn't have the features people want from a modern pistol. Their complex design is simply too archaic for mass retail sales.
RON in PA
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For those who want a currently manufactured Mauser C-96 there is the now available Umarex Legends C-96. Of course it is CO2 powered and shoots BBs. It is also a reproduction of the 1930s full auto model 712. The BB magazine and CO2 cylinder are contained in the detachable magazine and when fired the bolt blows back to re-cock the hammer. The rear sight and safety work.
It's not the real thing, but for most of us it is as close we'll get to one, unless one has lots of green laying around.
It's not the real thing, but for most of us it is as close we'll get to one, unless one has lots of green laying around.
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