Why not tactical?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Sep 20, 2011
Messages
328
I got into a discussion after posting my firearms on another forum about the fact that none of my firearms are tactical... I don't think I even have anything but wood furniture and grips. I actually was asked, in detail, why I don't like tacticool; "I don't" just wasn't enough. I know my reasoning... aesthetics, practicality, whimsy, nostalgia. So what about you?
 
My Colt SAA .45 Colt and 92 Winchester are both pretty tactical & leading edge armament.

Just depends on what era you were tactical & leading edge in I guess.

rc
 
Well, I'll break out my broad brush and remind that "most" or "a large percentage" does not mean "all.";)

MOST of the tacticool crap I see hanging off people's ARs is just that. Crap.

The yards of excess rails look to be something that doesn't need to be there and just one more thing to snag or hang up on something. I'd say they'd cut your hands but everybody knows that if you're tactical ya gotta wear black gloves to shoot. ;)

They talk about "fast handling and target acquisition" while they're bolting 15 pounds of stuff on their rifles.

Again with the "MOST." MOST of the tacticool guys I see at the range are untrained, unsafe and can't hit a barn with their $2K+ optics equipped bullet hoses.

And iron sights never have dead batteries. :D
 
no civilian weapons are tactical
some humanoids are


Definition of tac·ti·cal
adjective /ˈtaktikəl/ 

Of, relating to, or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end

(of bombing or weapons) Done or for use in immediate support of military or naval operations

(of a person or their actions) Showing adroit planning; aiming at an end beyond the immediate action
 
no civilian weapons are tactical
some humanoids are

That's the issue, you can never tell these guys that it's about the person and not the equipment. They're the type and they've got the swingin dongs to go with it. Last resort, they'll tell you it makes being good easier, and ask why you'd want to make it more difficult using "antiquated" gear.
 
I don't know if this is relevant in the revolver forum, but I feel kind of weird when I play with my "tacticool" setup on the range. After all, why do I need a flashlight on my shotgun to punch holes in paper?

You know what, though? I'm glad I did. Doing so taught me that the clamp/mount I had bought was crap, as when I fired it slid around and scratched the finish on my shotgun. It wouldn't have been good in an HD situation if the light came right off the gun and I suddenly lost my means of target ID. So while it isn't necessary on the range, the range is the place I can use to test equipment out. I can't exactly go down to my local streetcorner and tell the guys walking around with hoodies up at night "hey, break into my house so I can test my HD rig."

Pertaining to revolvers, what do you use the revolver for? Plinking? Targets? CCW? In those cases, you probably don't want all the jazz. In an HD situation, I'd personally like the ability to put a flashlight on my gun (which, most revolvers with rails are the ugliest guns I've ever seen). So I would say there is a small tactical advantage to a gun with a rail in that sense.

Last resort, they'll tell you it makes being good easier, and ask why you'd want to make it more difficult using "antiquated" gear.

A valid argument if you ask me. At work, I use "ctrl+c" and "ctrl+v" (also known as copy+paste) because it's easier. Manually copying text is "antiquated" and harder, and more prone to errors.

I think good person with old gear > bad person with new gear. However, if there is an advantage to the new gear, why not use it?
 
Being a civilian I do not see a need to walk around with a plastic fantastic sidearm with 200 rounds of ammo, a laser sight and flashlight with integrated tazer.

If I have to draw a weapon it will most likely be because of street crime. My 6 shooter and reload will probably be more than enough.

Were I a member of a SWAT team, you better believe that I will be armed like Demo Dick Marcinko.
 
I would just like to know what tactical is. I mean they will sell tactical __fill in the blank___ and it varies so much I have come to the conclusion that tactical is a word with no meaning. All I know for sure is I avoid buying anything called "tactical" because generally you can find a similar product of better quality for less cash. I guess tactical may mean 20% price increase!!

Okay, rant over.
sorry:eek:
 
Guillermo, that's why I've said in other threads that there's a difference between tactical and "tacticool". I consider tactical to be getting what you need to make the job easier, and tacticool to be getting what you want to look cool. My LCP is very "tactical" and its a teensy little thing with horrible sights and no accessories. It's "tactical" because it goes with me everywhere, even in summer.

At least, that's the way I see it.
 
My LCP is very "tactical"

I guess this is a word that has "evolved". Much like the word "bad".

Once upon a time a fellow told me about his new Z28 and that it was "bad". I started telling him about the lemon laws.

So he then explained that it was "badass" so I suggested Imodium.

When he said that it was "the <removed> " i just gave up. Sounded like a bunch of crap to me.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I got into a discussion after posting my firearms on another forum about the fact that none of my firearms are tactical.

The word "tactical" when applied to firearms is even more overused than "assault rifle", "firepower", "knock down", and "sporting" IMO. My butt twitches whenever I hear "tactical" because I automatically think "As opposed to what, strategic?"
 
(of a person or their actions) Showing adroit planning; aiming at an end beyond the immediate action

For when I'm wearing just shorts + t-shirt, the LCP is very tactical. It allows me to still be armed in my summer wear.

For when you're carrying, adding 12 doohickies isn't tactical, it makes the gun bulkier. For HD, it may provide some benefit. In all situations, the doohickies are "tacticool", but they're only "tactical" when they fit the situation.

I'd consider a .338 Bolt-Action Lapau with a decent scope the tactical option at 1500 yards, but a 12-gauge the tactical option at 15 feet. Neither (as described), is "tacticool".
 
sounds like a hate thread to me, why do you guys even care what someone does to their rifle? I agree some go overkill but that's what that person wants and he's the one carrying it. They will get it and take off some of the do-hickeys in time.
 
Mindset


Skillset


Equipment

In that order.


I've done Force on Force at the National Tactical Invitational with revolvers. I've participated in FoF drills in the monthly NTI study days with Sim rounds in revolvers. The equipment doesn't matter nearly as much as the mindset, followed by the skillset. In fact, I'll go as far to say as it really doesn't matter at all. If I'd had a gun in my hand that held twenty rounds, I'd have done no better, or no worse.

What mattered was I had a gun in my hand, and I had both the ability and the willingness to use it. And that was the same for all the Practitioners who showed up over all those twenty years to participate.

In fact, when I played the role as aggressor/VCA (Violent Criminal Actor) . . . my preferred weapon was a knife. With merely a knife . . . confronting someone with a better hi-cap gun but without the mindset, I always got the better hand. Every time. Out of literally hundreds of exercises.

When I confronted someone who had good skillset/ability, but not the mindset, it was a toss up as to how well I initiated the encounter as to how it would turn out.


But when I confronted someone who had poor equipment, and limited ability, but the mindset to win no matter what the obstacle . . . I was in trouble as an aggressor.
 
I have a plastic pistol and high capacity magazines, I train with said pistol on a regular basis and enjoy competitive shooting sports.

I am not tactical, just a guy with a gun.
 
Tactical guns have there place and most of mine are tactical. But a nice blued gun with beautiful wood grain and checkering is something that should be appreciated and that everybody should have atleast one of.
 
Why not tactical?

The concept of 'tactical' evokes the presumption there are tactics involved.

To just have high-speed-low-drag equipment, be it weapons, accessories, cloths, knives, etc... but with no firm grounding on how to use them to ones advantage is, well, worse than useless as it makes you a target, a high value target with no corresponding gain it ability to alter the situation.

I see alot of people show up at IDPA/IPSC matches with cool 'tactical' gear and cloths. They even sport 'tactical' folding knives. Seldom do they shoot near the top and very seldom do they use tactics worthy of their gear.

I'd rather have by my side a guy who has a old .38 and practices with it daily than most of these people sport'en their 'tactical' gear.

Deaf
 
fitness for function rules

I am not a combat soldier
I am not a LEO
I am neither SWAT nor SEAL
I respect all who are, but my gear need not be their gear, and I simply have no practical or rational need of their gear

wannabee 'operators' could get their kicks much cheaper just playing CoD and watching zombie movies.. but, hey, it's their bucks, not mine, so.. no harm, no foul

PS
lots of good posts above, notably #17
 
I like whatever works for the application at hand. Be that a plain jane wheelgun, a Glock with a site swap, or an 870 with black synthetic furniture, an attached light, ghost ring night sites, a knoxx spec ops stock with pistol grip and a side saddle.
 
When I hear the word tactical, my mind substitutes it with the words mall ninja.

That poor word has been beaten to death as bad as the word custom. It's all custom or tactical these days. I have several friends and family members serving in most branches of the military. I also have friends and family members who work as police, deputies, state patrol, firefighters, and EMTs. I find it strange that they don't describe any of the tools of their trades as tactical...

Ooops, I take that back! I have a friend who works as a jailer for my county. He has tons of tactical gear! He is often teased for being a mall ninja though.... Hmmmm, I wonder if there is a connection? :D

I like wood and blued steel personally. I do carry a Glock, but I would prefer if it was a bit prettier ;)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top