Will Illinois get Concealed Carry within 1 year from now?

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In response to Wisconsin passing concealed carry last night.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...al-carry-in-illinois-20110622,0,1592268.story


We must ensure the safety of our neighborhoods, and allowing concealed carry does not advance that goal,” Quinn’s office said in a statement.



Well, obviously they are doing such a good job of that already. Concealed Carry almost passed this year in Illinois but missed by 6 votes. That is not too bad.





Do you think despite the Governor's stance on Concealed Carry that it will pass within a year from now?





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Well what better way to ensure the safety of the neighborhoods in IL than to make sure that only the criminals and police are allowed to walk around with guns. I guess that the cops in IL are allowed to have guns anyway, but from what I've heard there's not much difference between the criminals and Chicago cops anyway.
 
I think that the downstate Democrats will be out of office if they don't get it passed. They might be out anyway, but their constituents want it so the Chicago Democrats and Quinn are going to be pressured to play ball.

Six votes could be tough to get, but the fact that Wisconsin has passed it will put even more pressure on our politicians. If it does pass, it will probably be with the exclusion of Cook county, but I think that was in the version of the bill they voted on earlier. Leave it to Illinois to vote down another source of revenue.:confused:
 
My state senator (D) sponsored the latest concealed carry bill, but so long as Chicago, Madigan, and Rahm are in power, we have as much chance of this as a snowball in hell.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
Illinois won't get CC while Pat Quinn is in office, he'll veto it. We tried to get a "shall issue" bill passed which requires a 3/5 super majority to over-ride Home Rule. It wouldn't have mattered if the Governor vetoed it as a 3/5 would over-ride his veto.

Trying to get a "may issue" law passed will meet with the same veto threat although we may get back the three votes who reneged on their support. We'd still be three votes short unless we can convince 3 more Reps who voted against us to switch under a "may issue" law.

IllinoisCarry.com will have the latest news on the subject.
 
Illinois won't get CC while Pat Quinn is in office.

Unfortunately, you're probably right. HOWEVER, Quinn is getting a lot of flack from downstate, not just Reps. and Senators. I've heard that the Mayor of East St. Louis (among others) has been badgering Quinn because his releasing cons to reduce the prison population and budget, has caused problems for those cities as the baddies come "home" and start causing new trouble.
Sooo - - keep your fingers crossed. The expensive lawsuits by SAF and the NRA may provide even more push.
 
No. I've pretty much completely lost faith in the Illinois legislature at this point. It's a shame how one big city can keep an entire state from exercising a Constitutional right. And the Supreme Court will be the only way legislators in Illinois will be forced to see beyond their own agendas.
 
The ONLY way Illinois is going to get legal concealed carry for citizens is through civil litigation and that's NOT going to happen in a year.

Concealed carry and firearms owners rights are in Illinois in 2011 where civil rights were in Mississippi in 1911.
 
My guess is that it will happen in the next year or two, but that it will come with significant limitations and may well end up as a "may issue" law. The politics in Illinois are disgusting, but those in power are firmly entrenched and have erected huge impediments to change. Significantly, the change of administrations in Chicago (previously Daley, now Emanuel) signals, if anything, a more vehement anti-rights agenda.
 
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Illinois has two lawsuits being filed by the NRA for carry currently if I'm correct.




What about those? Any progress?



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I lived there for 20 years too long, and Illinois will NOT get concealed carry so long as the Democratic Machine controls Chicago politics. End of discussion. So short of a massive scandal that completely guts said organization or a State of Illinois criminal indictment of said organization, no concealed carry for IL.
 
i went to a gun auction recently in IL. i was with an FFL holder, so i could purchase without hassle.

i was amazed to see what IL residents had to go through to purchase anything at the auction with those FOID cards they had to have. i would never reside in this state, and certainly would never count on ccw becoming legal any time soon.
 
The way you do it is you ACTIVELY!!!! work for the politico's that will displace Quinn and Co. VOTE Those guys out. Actually get politicially active, and work for the people that will vote. For the two-timers, that say they will support, and then do not...out with them too.
 
News flash!!!!

A flock of swine has just been spotted circling and landing under the lights at Wrigley Field. Speculation has it that they were looking for the Public Troughs. Police in the area directed them to City Hall, where the mayor was busily campaigning for his support of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States for the fine citizens of Chicago.

While in other news, 400,000 voters who have failed to cash their $600.00 bonus checks from Uncle Sam, were seen outside city hall demanding to know who they should vote for in the up coming elections. The mayor had no comment.

And this just in: UFOs were not (I repeat, NOT) seen landing and taking off from O”Hare field. The mayor did comment though: “The police are not here to create disorder; they’re here to preserve disorder”.

Lot’o’Luck guys… it's hard when you're living in a police state, being surrounded on every side by democracy. I'll bet the solution will come when the novacaine wears off and large segment of the population starts feeling the pain.

Kerf
 
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I checked those two websites for carry in IL that was poster above and did not see anything about the current lawsuits that are active in IL.



Does anyone know what current lawsuits are active in IL and what their status is?

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I checked those two websites for carry in IL that was poster above and did not see anything about the current lawsuits that are active in IL.



Does anyone know what current lawsuits are active in IL and what their status is?

Join us at illinoiscarry.com. There's a lot of discussion going on.

Nothing ground breaking has happened yet. I think just a lot of the normal paper pushing is going on right now.
 
On a More Profound Note…

Some advice:

When the Missouri Legislature was debating the bill to allow concealed carry by its citizens, they were pretty evenly divided; such as seems to be the case there in Illinois.

Some say the tipping point came when the Pro-Carry side had John Ross come into the hearing/debate to give a statement. For those of you who don’t know, John Ross is the author of Unintended Consequences and lives in the St. Louis, Mo area. (By the way, if you haven’t read his book, you need to read it now.) I wasn’t there and I didn’t say this; but I believe his testimony was along the lines of filling in the history of laws denying the Second Amendment from the founding fathers, up through the civil war and to the present. He, I believe, pointed out that many of these laws were aimed directly at non-white citizenry and enforced with a wink and a nod when it came to the white population. I think, correct me if I’m wrong, his testimony illustrated the racial bias in many of these laws and shamed the fence sitters into voting for the right to carry a weapon.

John Ross can be contacted here: www.john-ross.net. It may behoove you to get in contact with him ‘post-haste’ in preparation for the next assault on the state legislature. Maybe he can get you over the hump as he is purported to have done, here in Missouri.

Let’s face it; everybody in Chicago who needs to carry a gun, is carrying a gun already, whether they’re suppose to be or not. If you’re from ‘out of town’ and you get stopped with a firearm, you’re in big trouble. Think of Scotty Pipin (Chicago Bulls) and Tank Williams, (Chicago Bears) and how their cases were treated vs. the Chicago alderman (Bernard Stone?), whose FOID card expired and wanted to pass a bill covering his ‘mistake’ retroactively.

Like they say, ‘Chicago Works’, I guess for some people.

kerf
 
Unfortunately, Chicago is controlled by the most virulent and disgusting Democrats, unlike the Democrats in many other places who see both sides of each debate. These guys (like Rahm) think they OWN Chicago and it has to be run exactly how they see fit and under their control. They see common citizens as people who have to be protected from their own decisions, thus do not let them make their own decisions. While the citizens do not threaten their power based on these issues, these chumps will act like they OWN the place. Too many Sheep there I guess. It keeps the Sheepdogs from being Sheepdogs, and the Wolves delight in this.
 
Illinois won't get CC while Pat Quinn is in office, he'll veto it.

You mean Governor Jell-o, heck he flip-flops like an Asian carp out of water.

He doesn't take a stand on anything, and with enough pressure he'll flip on the gun issue as well. If he doesn't, well then that means he finally grew a set of balls too bad their controlled by the Chicago libs.
 
IMHO, there are some places, like IL, NJ, and HI where the antagony towards guns and their owners is so deeply rooted both culturally and institutionally that it will take an act of force majeur from without to implement reforms.

I believe a skillful exploitation of the precedents embedded in the Heller and McDonald cases will eventually provide the means.

The pattern is, and continues to be, that same pattern as the suppression of civil rights at the state level for which our history sadly provides ample precedent to study.

Fortunately, the overall intensity of public opposition is dialed way back compared to the events of the racial civil rights era, and so there is no track record of fire bombing gunshops and lynching gun owners.
 
Maybe, just MAYBE there's a chance for legal CCW in Illinois if the Chicago "flashmobs" actually KILL somebody, and it's somebody "important" or related to somebody "important".

Aside from that, neither Quinn nor Emmanuel could care less whether you get your brains beaten out every time you leave your house. To prove it, Emmanuel has both:
  1. lied about the magnitude of the gang violence spreading to popular public places
  2. sent his sleazy police superintendent to the sleaziest parish in the Chicago arch-diocese to LIE about the REAL racist motivations of gun control: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/emanuel-mccarthy-sabina-124439094.html
 
Aside from that, neither Quinn nor Emmanuel could care less whether you get your brains beaten out every time you leave your house. To prove it, Emmanuel has both:
lied about the magnitude of the gang violence spreading to popular public places
sent his sleazy police superintendent to the sleaziest parish in the Chicago arch-diocese to LIE about the REAL racist motivations of gun control: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward...124439094.html

Yes, if anything, Emanuel is more anti-rights than Daley. As for McCarthy's display, it was utterly disgusting. About the worst I've ever seen.
 
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