Will pump-action centerfire rifles ever make a comeback?

[Riomouse911]

Well, go to a match or ask folks who teach shotguns classes and they commonly report short stroking as the thing they see most as a screw up. Supposedly, police have seen that in stressful gun fights. Just saying what I read. It's practice, practice.

Seen it happen many times in training. And that was with just the stress of the scenario, not the added stress of someone not wanting to go to jail today and actually shooting back.

I learned a long time ago that humans are just that, human, so you run drills until they (should) get it down. Then it is up to them to stay proficient, and future trainers/rangemasters to catch them during qualification (and remediate) if they don’t.

Stay safe.

 

[plumberroy]

Well, go to a match or ask folks who teach shotguns classes and they commonly report short stroking as the thing they see most as a screw up. Supposedly, police have seen that in stressful gun fights. Just saying what I read. It's practice, practice.

I've taken a 70 lb feral dog out of the air and then killed. 2 more feral dogs without short stroking the gun . I hit 1000lb steer coming as hard as he could n the forehead with a brenekke slug he was less than ten feet from my shoe laces . Although I didn't need it I had a shell in the chamber so I have run a pump under stress . Next to a semi auto it's the simplist action to run

 

[GEM]

I haven't short stroked in classes or matches. Doesn't mean it's not a common error. Everyone isn't the same.

 

[Gordon]

I too have a cherry Remington Model 25 in 25-20. It is my favorite pump and I load 75 grain lead flat points at 1400 fps from it. It will take a deer at 100 yards quickly . But I don't of course. I had the barrel threaded 1
/2 x 28 and shoot the same 73 grain flat points at 950 fps thru a tiny.25 Salamander suppressor when the Salamanders not on a .22 or .25 ACP Beretta. Super slick little pump gun.
Id like to see IMI make a run of Timberwolf .357 pumps for a 1000$ or less, don't see why they can't.

 

[9x56MS]

I own the same rifle. Its a dandy rifle and I think if it were in the more common 30-30 it might have stuck arounda little longer. In the woods where shots are under 100 yards and typically 30-70 it would still be a fine rifle. Mine has family history so its not going anywhere, but likely won't get used either

-Jeff

I was lucky I got mine when the army was testing the 6.8 SPC and Remington did a run of 30 rem as it was the parent cartridge of the 6.8. I was able to buy 200 pieces of brass so I am set for life. Loads for it are exactly the same as 30-30. I have taken deer and wild hogs with it. It doesn’t get out as much since I got a BLR in 358 win.

 

[Legionnaire]

I’ve had a couple 760 Carbines in .308 that were slick and accurate. Sold them when I got out of .30 cals. Should have hung on to one of them. Still have a sharp 7615 in walnut furniture. And I’d jump on a Timberwolf if given the opportunity.

I agree that pumps are likely not going to make a major comeback, and I’m sorry about that. I’ve tried, but never got into lever guns.

 

[R.W.Dale]

If Kel Tec would come out with a 45/70 or even revolver round rifle based on their KSG architecture I would pre order the first thing in my life.

 

[Beck]

I hope they make a comeback. I've always liked pump rifles. The last one I shot was a Remington 760 in .30-06 about a decade ago. It belongs to an old flame. She inherited it from her dad. They're fun to shoot, even in .30-06.

I gotta be careful what I wish for though. They'll make a quick comeback if semi-autos are banned. God forbid!

 

[eastbank]

i owned a pile of the 760-7600 rem pumps over the years in many different calibers and sold them all but two, a older 760 in 3006 with a reciever sight and a 7600 carbine in 3006 with scope. tho i have many other rifles i find myself useing these most of the time for bear-deer here in pa.

 

[dodo bird]

I always wanted a pump 44 magnum carbine that takes desert eagle mags.

 

[Rexster]

I wish that I had bought a 7600P, when they were available. Matte finish, .308, 18” barrel; what’s not to like?

 

[Varminterror]

I haven't short stroked in classes or matches. Doesn't mean it's not a common error. Everyone isn't the same.

Short stroking bolt guns is one of the most common causes of misfeeds/malfunctions at PRS matches - folks tend to blame it on their mags or actions, but we can watch shooters regularly cause these malfunctions. Granted, these malfunctions represent only a handful, maybe 10-20 shots out of 20-40,000 shots taken over the weekend, but it can and does happen, even for guys who are thoroughly experienced and well practiced. It's not the same guys every time, it's not the same rifles every time, it's not the same guys every match, it's just part of the human condition to be vulnerable to this particular operator error.

 

[Rexster]

I never short-stroked a pump gun, until, suddenly, I did, and it then happened again, several times. Fortunately, it happened during training. I estimate that it started some time in my early fifties, based upon my having switched to an auto-loading duty shotgun by 2016, when I was 54 or 55. Short-stroking only happened when my right arm was doing the pumping, and my right shoulder had been getting gimpier.

My first step toward curing short-stroking was to consult a PD firearms instructor, who let me handle his Nighthawk-custom Remington 870, which had a very short Magpul stock. I then installed a Magpul stock, on my 870P, and did what seemed to be a million dry repetitions, followed by some live-fire practice, at the range. Cured! Then, however, the first time I pulled my shotgun out of the patrol car, “for real,” I was not standing tall, on my hind legs, and could not get a proper cheek weld, during a potential-felony car stop. Self-diagnosis: My long monkey arms HATE short stocks. I quickly bought myself a Benelli M2, to use on duty. (I had previously owned and used a Benelli M1 Super 90, so, knew how to run the Benelli M1/M2 system.)

 

[eastbank]

pump-bolt-lever action rifles all can be short stroked and to do it can cause fail to eject-fail to feed. it,s not the rifles fault. the only full-semi rifles i have fired came with their own problems when not used properly. for me it comes down to practice,practice under any conditions you may be forced to use them. for police- soldier a select fire auto come with alot of advantages, for me i knew i could fire my m-14, m16 one handed if i was wounded in hand or arm , standing sitting or laying.

 

[.45Coltguy]

Possibly but it would weigh 10 pounds.

For myself, I am okay with wood but please, just no blued metal to rust and oil. Make it stainless, in .450BM and I might purchase one. Oh, and a rail so I can mount an optic.

LOL! But, you're probably right. Had me laughing tho. 10 pounds, yikes!

 

[H&Hhunter]

I don’t think they’ll come back. But they are mighty handy in the dark woods for tracking bucks. I know I’ll raise some hackles here but I’ve never handled a pump action CF that met my standards for rifle accuracy.

I’ve heard lots of stories about accurate pump action rifles but I’ve never seen one that makes sense for a precision long range platform. With that in mind outside of tight cover and close range, snap shooting situations they don’t don’t do anything for me.

 

[benEzra]

There are probably enough in circulation on the used market to satisfy those who really want them, and the prices are not really worse than a low-volume, new-production, niche rifle would be.

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Some of those 7600’s are well under $1000. No new-production rifle could compete with that price, unless it were a pump-action AR variant using mostly standardized parts to keep costs down, and the only one I know of (Troy) isn’t cheap either.

 

[codytrucker]

The browning pump rifle didn't last long , and seemed to be a well made rifle . Winchester has a current production pump action rifle , SXR2 , but there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in it here . Maybe the best chance pumps had to make a comeback was if one of the big manufacturers came out with one scaled for the 350-400L and 450BM when these became legal as straight wall hunting cartridges . A new production pistol caliber one similar to the Rem 25 or Marlin 27 would be awesome . Henry should really consider buying the rights to the timberwolf from IMI , with a pistol grip in 357 and 44 mag and 45 colt I bet it would sell .

 

[snowman357]

I wish they would bring back the timerwolf in 357 again

 

[Enfieldier]

I've owned 3 Remington 760s over the years, one .308 and the other two .30-06. I currently have a .30-06 carbine from the mid 60s. I found a source of reliable 10 round magazines and bought 5. I shoot .30 M2 ball through it and it is a blast to shoot. Now that I am getting up there my nephew has asked if he can have it and I will probably give it to him soon. The carbine is very reliable and pretty accurate to 200 yds with the factory open sights.

 

[JShirley]

Can get ARs in deer cartridges way cheaper.

This.

I like slide-actions, but ARs make more sense for the modern audience.

 

[Casefull]

No way.

 

[Bill M.]

No, I do not think so either. No home defense use. Not many pure target shooting applications. Maybe a few die hard hunters. Lots of good semi autos out there. I have never wanted a pump centerfire so it is a mute point for me.

 

[nipprdog]

Lots of good semi autos out there. I have never wanted a pump centerfire so it is a mute point for me.

until they ban semi autos.

Remington 7615P

 

[Miami_JBT]

Modern production methods are absolutely amazing. Today's sub $400 bolt action Wal-Mart special can achieve sub-MOA grouping at 100 yards and allow a good shooter with semi-decent ChiCom made glass. Hit man-sized targets at 1,000 yards.

The pump rifle can't compete against that.

I finally have my Mennonite Machine Gun, but it is a creature of the past. But a past that isn't socially ingrained like the lever-action is.