Will We Sit at the Table?

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Looking ahead to potential gun control debates that may take place in earnest here fairly soon: Will we sit at the table and talk? I am not suggesting we give 'em a list of stuff we'd be ok with banning (short list right?). I am not suggesting we knuckle under and beg for what we can have. I am, in fact suggusting, that we get ourselves to that table (of what ever form it takes) and, bless his heart, send somebody beside Ted Nugent or for that matter Wayne LaPierre, somebody that can talk sense, somebody (or persons) that can really articulate where guns can, should, and do fit into to American life and actually participate in the discussion. I say this as a counterpoint to what I think will be the most common reaction...resist.

It's hard to really know where this will all go now. Anybody on the fence fell the wrong way yesterday and they may not be coming back over. Sitting at the table does not mean defeat. Staying away from the table may.
 
I get what you're saying here.

They're all saying 'it's time to talk about gun control.'

Well, we can talk, we can debate. We can even win debates.
 
Walking away from that table guys like me, law abiding citizens will lose more of their liberty.
 
I don't really think there will be any debate. After thinking it over last night, I think there will only be Executive Order. It could be anything from outright ban of semi-auto military rifles, to mag capacity limits, and/or more intrusive background checks to include mental stability, or required mental clean bill of health certificate from a licensed professional.

Not being a lawyer, I don't know how this will get around the Heller ruling, but I think something will be enacted to give the perception that the government is "doing something". Same old security theater. AFAIK, CT already has an AWB, mag capacity limits and other draconian gun laws which did not stop this heinous act.
 
The essence of our response MUST be based on personal responsibility. Without that, all is lost.

This unwell young man had easy access to his mother's weapons and knew how to use them. This is utterly unacceptable. There is nothing wrong using the proverbial short leash on anyone immature or mentally ill. IMHO, they shouldn't even be allowed to play violent video games.

The storage of his mom's weapons is the main issue. I would like to know exactly how he was able to access an AR15, a SIG 229, a Glock, (according to some reports) and mags so easily. Were they in an unlocked closet? Exactly what was mom thinking NOT locking everything up in a safe behind a locked closet door and hiding the key? What was she thinking?

The school had just instituted new security procedures. Someone buzzed the kid in, though he had NO business being there, was apparently dressed in a molle vest, and a mask. Who let him in? How exactly does a kid like this have the comportment to stealthily infiltrate this school CARRYING A RIFLE? Where were the adults?

He was carrying his older brother's ID. Why? Don't most normal people keep their own ID in their own pocket?

All I see here is a bunch of people not paying too good attention to details that could have prevented this horrific tragedy. We all MUST emphasize the essential indemnifying requirement of personal responsibility in regard to deadly weapons, our passionate hobby, and our Constitutional right.

Prayers for all involved. The media will prolly screw this all up and make it just worse.
 
Conflicting reports on the guns used, but most seem to say it was the Glock and Sig, not the AR-15 which was left in the car. Again, not sure on the real story, but so far that seems to be more of the consensus.
 
Has anyone consider the posibility that the mother bought the guns for the kid? As horrible as that may seem, I dont see why this perticular women would have a taste for these weapons, but I know virtually nothing about her.

I think our stand should be that tis is a basic civil liberty, and this is part of our lifestyle. We should not waiver anything. The only thing I might consent to would be some type of mental health attribute added to the background check process.
 
Personaly I dont think the Govt can do anything, executive order or not. The Govt only has as much power as the people allow it to have, and (by founding fathers insightful design) the people with the power are armed. We are not the minority the media portrays us as. There are so many AR's Ak's in the hands of law abiding gun owners and no "registry" they could never round them up. The President is afraid of our guns because they keep him from complete Tyranny. If we do sit at the table It should be to let him know we wont budge and inch.
 
Yeah, we're gonna sit at the table, and the answer is NO. No new gun control schemes. No talking about what kind of guns we "don't need". No new restrictions on law abiding citizens because of the murderous and evil acts of a psychopath. NO.
 
I dont see why this perticular women would have a taste for these weapons, but I know virtually nothing about her.
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Why??

Because she's a mom? A teacher? A New Englander? Divorcee?

It sounds like you're insinuating that there is a particular stereotype that one fits into in order to "have a taste for these weapons."

I hope that's not what you mean.
 
We would have lost the right to bear arms a long time ago if a President could subject us to a decree by executive order.

I heard one analysist sum it up correctly. This individual was pure evil. We can go through the complete realm of known medical and psychological conditions that can be attributed to his to actions and not come up with a better explanation.
 
gunslinger15 said:
There are so many AR's Ak's in the hands of law abiding gun owners and no "registry" they could never round them up.
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While we can hope you are correct in your assessment, that part about a registry is partially incorrect. The 4473's provide the government a very good starting point for tracking down firearms, if they chose to do so. Maybe not all but a pretty good majority of them.
 
It sounds like you're insinuating that there is a particular stereotype that one fits into in order to "have a taste for these weapons."
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Judging by her other guns, "The AP later reported that authorities also recovered three other guns — a Henry repeating rifle, an Enfield rifle and a shotgun. It was not clear where those weapons were found."- http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...pons-used-in-connecticut-school-massacre?lite

No one has mentioned that she was an avid shooter or even a member of the NRA. In my experience, most women even those that are into guns, tend to role there eyes when you mention ARs and AKs etc. I guess it is kind of a guy thing. I am just saying it is a possibility. Like I said I dont know much about this woman, maybe she loved to shoot, or maybe she bought them for the benefit of her son.
 
WE have the law, and courts on our side, the Constitution, the numbers, the biggest lobby, etc. WE don't need to sit at any table, WE don't need to compromise on anything, WE are not petitioning anyone for anything. WE are in a position of power being asked to give away what is rightfully ours.

WE need to stand fast, the ultimate prohibition already exists, murder is already against the law.
 
Looking ahead to potential gun control debates that may take place in earnest here fairly soon: Will we sit at the table and talk? I am not suggesting we give 'em a list of stuff we'd be ok with banning (short list right?). I am not suggesting we knuckle under and beg for what we can have. I am, in fact suggusting, that we get ourselves to that table (of what ever form it takes) and, bless his heart, send somebody beside Ted Nugent or for that matter Wayne LaPierre, somebody that can talk sense, somebody (or persons) that can really articulate where guns can, should, and do fit into to American life and actually participate in the discussion. I say this as a counterpoint to what I think will be the most common reaction...resist.

It's hard to really know where this will all go now. Anybody on the fence fell the wrong way yesterday and they may not be coming back over. Sitting at the table does not mean defeat. Staying away from the table may.
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I am very serious about this, so let's pretend we are at the table. This is directed at the OP.

I am not suggesting we give 'em a list of stuff we'd be ok with banning (short list right?).
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Are there items you would be willing to put on the list?

send... somebody that can talk sense, somebody (or persons) that can really articulate where guns can, should, and do fit into to American life and actually participate in the discussion.
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Please tell me where guns can, should, and do fit? I am being serious. Speak now. We are at the simulated table.

Sitting at the table does not mean defeat. Staying away from the table may.
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How do you define defeat? And with that definition naturally follows how do you define success/winning?

This is directed to the OP. Here we are at the virtual table. Let's play this one through.
 
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It sounds like you're insinuating that there is a particular stereotype that one fits into in order to "have a taste for these weapons."
Judging by her other guns, "The AP later reported that authorities also recovered three other guns — a Henry repeating rifle, an Enfield rifle and a shotgun. It was not clear where those weapons were found."- http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...-massacre?lite

No one has mentioned that she was an avid shooter or even a member of the NRA. In my experience, most women even those that are into guns, tend to role there eyes when you mention ARs and AKs etc. I guess it is kind of a guy thing. I am just saying it is a possibility. Like I said I dont know much about this woman, maybe she loved to shoot, or maybe she bought them for the benefit of her son.
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You're trying to read too much into what is still unknown and incomplete information available. News reports from every source out there still contain contradictory information. Too much speculation going on.
 
If someone is bent on mass executions he will do it. Would the tragedy yesterday been any different if he blew up the school or released gas into the heating system? Bad people will find ways to do their heinous deed.

From what I see around me, these shoot-em-up video games seems to affect many people by removing the human conscience from shooting people. If you look at those games, kids play for hours and hours on end shooting everything and anything that moves, breathes or looks evil. They get into a mindset of aim and pull the trigger without thinking about the end result. I truly believe these video games are the reason young people are turning to mass murdering. Ban them, if you ask me.
 
Ok. Last I read a couple of hours ago, there are 4 firearms registered in her name and 2 in her ex-husband's name. They didn't say which belonged to whom. It was also stated in the article that her landscaper said she was into guns and liked to show off her purchases to him on occasion.

I suppose they could've bought it for her son but if he did have a known mental issue then, wow, what a decision.
 
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Exactly. Would this kid have tried this if teachers were trained and carried guns? Not a chance.

Israel started this in the '70s and there haven't been any bloodbaths by the teachers yet. I'm not sure on the stats, but I would guess that there have been very few, if any school shootings since then.
 
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