Wont be buying a remington after hearing this!

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So I went out to three different gun shops yesterday looking for a new rifle. I was trying to make up my mind between the remmington 700 and a tikka t3, the first gun shop doesnt even sell remington anymore because he said "they stopped making a good rifle 20 years ago". I also asked about savage (he does sell them) and he said think of the new savages as a 1980"s Hyundia. The next gun shop/gunsmith (authorized remington warr. depot) said remington hasn't make a good rifle in 10 years and there is no quality left to them anymore at all. He is swamped with new remingtons that broke before they used a box of shells. The third and final gun shop said remingtons dont have any quality control and wouldn't recommend buying one due to this. Also he commented on the junky hinge plate they have. I handled a few 700's and liked the feel of the stock but they do seem cheap.
So now that I made up my mind on purchasing a tikka the only problem now is that everyone is running out of stock. So I guess Ill be without a new thunder stick for a while till stock comes in :mad:

PS.... Not trying to bash remington (I LOVE MY 870!), just passing on to anybody thinking of buying a new rifle.
 
sounds like you need to shop elsewhere.:rolleyes: i'd have no problem buying a new remington or savage.
 
Well they are probably a little overpriced these days but I think are good as the next rifle in that price range ($750 and under). That said my father and I looked at a remington 700 custom deluxe 30.06 in walnut next to a ruger (m77 Hawkeye I think) 30.06 in walnut and chose the Ruger because we could not justify the extra $200 (he put the extra $ towards a better scope). One thing the 700's have going for them is all the aftermarket bits and pieces.
 
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I suspect this FFL doesn't sell Remingtons and Savages because he cannot compete with the low prices at the large chain stores. If he really thinks Remington is low quality I wonder how he feels about Tikka's plastic magazine.
 
SO far Im very satisfied with my two, a BDL (1994) and ADL (2006). Accurate as I can see.
 
It really depends on which model 700 the guys were stocking or servicing--some are better than others, I've noticed--but that doesn't mean they all suck.
 
Remington's bolt guns don't generally offer a good value in a hunting rifle.

They will put bullets in the 10 ring, though.
 
Wont be buying a Remington after hearing this!
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Remington isn't the problem here


NO you need not buy from those gunstores again after hearing that.

I am by no means a rem700 fan but what you outline as having been told to you is downright STUPID. I have a habit of once a gunstore tries to treat me like I'm an IDIOT to make a sale I never return again.

When looking for a high quality set of scope rings for a revolver had a proprietor who runs a local gunshop actually try to sell me some chinese garbage rings on the premise that you cannot put a steel ring on an aluminum cause it'll rip right off...haven't been back since
 
NO you need not buy from those gunstores again after hearing that.
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Exactly.

Anytime a story starts with "I heard in a gunstore........" you should suspect everything that follows to be BS.
 
i dunno. i've heard from people i respect that rem's quality has gone WAY downhill over the years. if a rem warranty depot/repair center claims they're swamped with guns, i've no reason to doubt their word. even though my three rem700s have been just fine. (well, one of them won't do better than 1.25 MOA which is very frustrating)

i would however, take the info in context. if most of the guns i saw come through my depot center were broken and i saw a 2x increase in the number of guns coming in for repair, it would color my opinion, but would not necessarily be accurate as rem may be shipping 4x as many guns now.

if they are also a savage, FN, tikka/sako, ruger and weatherby repair center, i might put a lot more weight into what they're saying

as it is, i try not to buy guns from the big name companies anyway. i prefer to support the little one-man custom shops.
 
I bet the stuff they had in stock was all top of the line as far as they were concerned, I know dealers like that. If you ask for something they don't have it's "junk" but if it's on the shelf it's the best thing since sliced bread. Not sure when my 700 LTR was made but I don't think it's junk. See if he will guarantee his Tika to shoot under an inch. And what is there to break on the 700?

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I'm still hunting with the .243 700 my folks bought me for Christmas back in 1971. Bought a 7mm mag 700 for my son last year (he's a big kid) and noticed no drop off in quality. It shot into an inch out of the box on the 100 meter range at our club. The kid has put a few hundred round through it with no problems at all.
 
Sounds like you got played by that gunshop, or by a few.
The real deal is that those gunshops had convinced you to buy a more expensive Tikka (higher profit margin), after all the Remington sells in larger volume at much lower pricing, not avaliable to them, so they insult the product in order to make more money on others.
Im always skeptical of the comments they said to you, why couldnt they tell you what was wrong with them?
I would have chosen the rifle you wanted.
 
None of the gun stores directed me to buy a tikka so they could make more money, the one place sells all his rifles for $100 above his cost. If I were to not buy from any of these dealers I wouldnt have any left to pick from ;) A dealer not selling remington because he doesnt like them is stupid though, only hurting himself financially really. I know the 700's have tons of aftermarket and the tikka has basically nothing more than a bigger plastic clip, but I have never though of any of my family's tikka's needing any aftermarket parts. As for the plastic clip, VERY OVERPRICED, but show me a pic of an actual broken one.
 
15 Year Old 700VSS

Well, I don't expect much from several of the US firearms manufacturers anymore.:uhoh:

Happily, since I started shooting back in '62, I've collected a fair number of quality firearms that WERE made back in the "quality days." And I can still those nice firearms at gunshows. There are still older 700s, Winchester 70's (not many pre-'64 though), Savage 99s, and so on still available that were well enough cared for by their original owners.

My 700 is at least 15 years old (purchased from original owner) and pretty high quality - and I'm PICKY. Anymore, though, I don't see much that I find exciting.
 
Sound like the Shop is Bias toward a particular Brand. Do you always take to Heart what a SALES man tells you. If you want a Rem get it.
 
saskboy, can you provide the store names with phone numbers and ideally an address for each. I'd like to pass that information on to Remington. I've spoken to one of Remington's lead engineers in their ammunition development department in Arkansas on a couple of occasions so I know he'll be interested in this and he can pass this information on the right people.

Thanks.
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As for my personal take on your post (or the details of your post) I think it's complete and utter BS. I bought two Remingtons about 10 years ago and I bought an Alaskan Ti in .300WSM last year along with an 870 shotgun. As for the QUALITY .... 110%. I've already posted images of five-shot groups from that rifle and this past Saturday I put five shots in a 5/8" group at 100 yards. The fit and finish are excellent and I'd buy another Remington anytime, any day, any place. Are they the best rifles on the planet ... NO ... are they the cheapest ... NO ... are they worth the price ... to me YES. I've never had a single problem with my three having fired thousands of rounds through them. That's all I need to know.
 
Yes, most of those employed in gunshops are BSin g the informed. Most dont know jack ____ of what they sell.
 
The store that said he doesnt sell remington is
Saskatoon Gun Works
3-1935 Ontario Avenue
Saskatoon, SK S7K 1T5
(306) 242-6747

Maybe their opinon was on the 700 model, not just remington as a whole, as i was only interested in the 700 model.
 
Bottom line: don't pay attention to what you hear in a gunshop. Go to the range; talk to guys who are shooters; find out what they shoot. You'll find that there are a lot of Remington 700s on the line. They are still chosen as the base for many custom guns.
 
Is a Remington 700 (or Model 7) junk? No, not junk.

Are they less than they used to be? Without a doubt.

Can they be gunsmithed to be above-average in accuracy? Without a doubt; they form the basis of most custom LD shooting irons.

Can I get a better hunting rifle for the same amount of money as I would spend on a 700 or Model 7? Without question.
 
First of all, I am Remington owner. I have an 870, 1100, and a 700. My 870 is the Wingmaster edition, the 1100 is the express and the 700 is the CDL.

The finish on the express is terrible, for "bead blasted blue". They should polish them and charge $40 or however much it would be.

The 700 is really nice. The finish is an even, matte blued finish. It's absolutely gorgeous. The floor plate is a little cheesy feeling at first, but it's aluminum. It doesn't rust and saves ounces. The other thing I don't like is the stock. It's "walnut", but looks more like hard wood (it's very blonde). The checkering is pressed, which looks absolutely terrible. Those things aside, it does it's job very well. The rifle itself is of absolute superior fit and finish, and functions flawlessly.

The only thing wrong with my 870 is the extractor has a hairline crack in it. I guess they make them out of MIM metal, which isn't as strong as forged or something. Either way, it still functions after 2000+ shells.

What it comes down to, is you have to pay for quality. Too many guys want a beautiful rifle for nothing, which isn't the case anymore. If you want a Remington, spend your money and get a Remington. If you settle on a $200 Stevens, you are not going to be satisfied. I'm not saying the Stevens is a bad rifle, but it's not the same rifle as the Remington.

One thing to keep in mind: Dealers are going to push their inventory before they order new rifles. Listen to what they have to say about different manufacturers, but don't take it to heart. Take what you hear, what you know, and what you may learn, and decide for yourself if that rifle is worth it. Dealers are people, and people are biased. Never take one man's word over yours.
 
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