Wont be buying a remington after hearing this!

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I bought my last remington in 1999- it was a rem 597 that couldn't go through an entire magazine without jamming. Probably will be the last remington that I'll ever buy.
I have a 1970s vintage 700 adl- new 700s aren't as nicely finished or as smooth. I shot serious trap for about 10 years with a 870 wingmaster of the same era- nothing ever broke on it and it was slick as snot- 300-400 rds week/ 26 or so weeks year= some serious useage Cleaned it twice in that much time- both after rainy days duck hunting. I wouldn't trust a new 870, especially the express to that kind of abuse, I'll just keep the old one.
 
One other thing the gun smith/ warr. depot guy said was the model 770 stocks were junk due to the trigger gaurd snapping off due to recoil. If you rested your rifle out your truck window ;) the trigger gaurd might touch something and it busts off from the recoil. Quite common breakage on them he said.
 
As most of the people responding to the original post, I too have been fed liberal amounts of BS at a local gun shop concerning who makes junk and who makes the good stuff. I have several Remingtons made from various decades. If you want to look at a time when American Firearms manufacures made less than impressive rifles, you should see the model 660 Remington that I bought new in 1968 was definately something that you would not call top workmanship. You could throw a cat between the barrel and forend of the stock. The 700's were the same way, as were Winchester model 70. Savag was just a pure embarrasment. Shoddy as they looked, most shot very well. My model 660 shoots under an inch at 100 yards. I have several of Rem 700's (as well as other brands) that I purchased since then and all but one would shoot better than I can. My son just purchased a 700 SPS in 17 Rem Fireball. After sighting in he shot three 5 shot groups. All were 5/8 inch or less at 100 yds.
In all this time the Remington rifles and shotguns that I own have never broken on me.
I have other brand rifles that I prefer over Remingtons, but I could be satisfied with a Remington.
 
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New to the site and found this post while googling remington quality.


Remingtons always been my first choice in guns, they've always fit me well and I've never had any accuracy complaints. Have always liked how they look/feel as well.

That opinion has changed today and it cost me 751.00 dollars to come to that conclusion.

Some bug bit me to get a .17 fireball and while I'd scene the CDL Limiteds in a few stores I'd never really looked at them to closely.

Well I purchased a 2007 Limited CDL in .17 fireball off of Gunsamerica which was NIB and I'm the one that broke the seal today.

First thing that struck me was how crappy the floor plate was. Feels almost like plastic, but is some sort of cast aluminum. Rear swivel was about a 1/4 turn to tight and but the slightest of dings in the stock. The butt pad if you take your hand along it does not line up with the stock very well.

Beautiful gun from a few feet away, but I'm very disapointed with the quality. The gun will be put away and hopefully will appreciate in value in the coming years?


Few weeks ago I bought a Ruger Hawkeye Stainless/synthetic for considerably less and it's a pretty nice gun. Haven't shot it yet either, so not sure about the accuracy. My other rugers while having poor triggers have shot really well.


Also purchased a CZ 527 in 22 hornet this past weekend and again for alot less than the Remington and the fit and finish is pretty good and you have to look closely to find any imperfections.

I'm sure there will be other Remingtons in my future, but more than likely I'll be looking at older models, unless they do something different other than raising their prices (which have really gotten high).


My step-dad bought a Tikka a couple years ago in 7mm mag and it's a pretty nice gun that shoots well. Only thing wrong with them are the extra magazines are 1/4 of the price of the gun, which is simply nuts for a plastic magazine.
 
that is just stupid. even the new remington 597 .22 is a great rifle, the earlier models needed a new extractor and metal clip but after that they won several out of box tests against ruger 10/22, ruger wins because of all the after market bells and whistles, and look through some guns or ammo mags, in the scope sections and see wich rifle is shown the most. i have a .243 700. shoots like butter.
 
One other thing the gun smith/ warr. depot guy said was the model 770 stocks were junk due to the trigger gaurd snapping off due to recoil. If you rested your rifle out your truck window the trigger gaurd might touch something and it busts off from the recoil. Quite common breakage on them he said.
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I think the trigger guard would probably be far less expensive than the scratched paint, broken window and the legal fees incurred if you got caught poaching.
 
"I think the trigger guard would probably be far less expensive than the scratched paint, broken window and the legal fees incurred if you got caught poaching."

Who said anything about poaching, every country boy has shot gophers out the truck window.
 
I used to be a hard core long time Remington fan. Bought my 1st Remington back in the early 70s but I've given up on them. Sure they can make a good rifle. But I have found it can be hit or miss from a quality control stand point. I started having my fair share of issues with Remington around 1992 or 1993 on. Here is my list of problems I have had with Remington rifles. All these rifles were bought new by me.

approx 1986 got a new 700 in 300 Win mag started having extractor problems within 200 rounds.

approx 1992-93 700SS in 300WBY Sent back to factory for a new barrel, Chamber was very oversize.

approx 1993 700SS in 338 Win Mag Feeding issues. Local authorized Remington repair shop fix it no charge.

approx 1994 223 Remington varmint laminated stock ordered it got it home a found what looked like very ugly tool marks from a broken tool in the bore. loads showed high pressure like the barrel was tight. Had a new Pac Nor barrel put on it.

Order this when the other 223 was off getting a new barrel. Needed a 223 for varmint season. approx 1994 223 varmint synthetic. Stock split after two varmint seasons. Sent the stock back to Remington. They replaced it.

Pick up a new stainless 700 in 7mm mag. Barrel bore is so rough it collects copper like a copper mine.

approx 2005 Ordered a new Remington mod 572 22. This thing will only shoot very large groups. A big disappointment especially since I paid over $300 for this 22!

approx 2005 Bought a 597 22. Looked at one on the dealer rack. When I got it dealer went to the back and got a new one in the box. Got it home took it out of the box barrel was canted a bunch and I do mean a bunch. Approx 7 degrees Kept this one the way it came out of the box. To remind me never ever buy another Remington rifle again. Also to show my Buddys Remington quality. When they test fired it at the factory how in the hell did the tester not notice this?
 
sub moa with $350 Rem700

My friend has a 30-06 Rem 700 he bought new for less than $350 only a couple years ago :uhoh:
no problems for those years and if he does his part, the rifle can do 5 shot groups under 1" at 100 yards without a rear bag
and that is with a $50 scope (3-9x) mounted with $10 high rings...:what:
 
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I just ordered a Rem 700 SPS Varmint. should be her tomorrow. scarin me. I got one because the old vets at the range had them and could make one hole at 100 yards with em and has em all tricked out. I hope I dont get a lemon. but Ill be doing lots of gunsmithing to mine so I guess im not to worried about the things people are saying are wrong with them.
 
I can handle it if a gunshop says Remington's quality has been suspect of late but that really doesnt mean their product is not worth carrying. Now to have the same shop take a cut at Savage as well must mean that they are not going to be a gunshop much longer because these are the best names in the business.

Probably just pouty because Remington rejected them as a volume dealer because their compoetition down the road picked them up first.
 
Anytime a story starts with "I heard in a gunstore........" you should suspect everything that follows to be BS.
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Seconded

A certain popular gun store chain in Houston used to trash talk Glocks up and down until one day they had a display case filled with them and suddenly they were the best guns ever.

Gun stores are where facts go to die.
 
If anyone reads my post in length and the majority of posts most people are saying how the Quality has gone down the tubes.

I'm seeing most of these posts indicating old Remington fans, but it looks like alot of opinions are changing and that's really to bad.

For a gun that's gone up 25-30% in price the last 5-8 years the quality has gone down by at least the same margin.


And unless I got a heck of a deal I probably would steer clear of any dealer who bad mouthed a product. Trying to sell what they have is one thing, but bashing something with no proof is another.
 
I tend to be thick skinned about gunstores since just about all of them have their little customer service quirks. If they have the best deals Ill just buy it and not get too caught up on principles.
 
I personally like my Ruger 77 MK11 as far as quality and accuracy, but have heard nothing but good things about Remington 700 rifles. Its depends what version you purchase and what you expect it to do. Any manufacturer has limitations in certain models.
Any time you go to a gunshop they will try to sell you whatever model they have over what they dont have in stock. Special orders cost more, in house models sell at a higher profit margin in most cases.
The Remington model 7 is a bit different. I have shot them several times, they are accurate, but smaller, shorter barrel, lightweight, and for small calibers the magazine is adapted to fit, so they can have feed problems with a full magazine, remove one round from capacity and theres no problem.
 
Saskboy,
the one place sells all his rifles for $100 above his cost
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Ok, (for a $600 rifle) so that's a ~17% markup/profit on the rifle for that seller.

I dunno about you... But that seems a bit on the steep side to me. My local dealer profits about half that. He gets a lot of repeat customers because of it.

-Steve
 
I've got a 700 that's 6 months old. Function is perfect, and it's the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. Trigger is perfect after one simple adjustment. The finish is plain and the bottom metal looks cheap but the thing costs less than a comparable Savage (which I know because I just bought a comparable Savage). I have a 20 year old 700 that is prettier but never did shoot as well and the trigger won't adjust out quite as sweet.

Seriously, unless you're using it as a club there's not much to break on these rifles. Take in all the advice you can get but be be sure to run it through your BS detector.
 
I don't have much experience with the 700's, since I don't hunt and their target oriented rifles are out of my price range I don't have an intention of buying one.

That said, my experience with the 597 I purchased last year left me wondering about their quality control but impressed with their customer service. Out of the box I had jams in almost every magazine full I ran through it. It alos would "machinegun", firing 2 or three rounds with one pull of the trigger, then jam. They sent 2 new magazines and that seemed to fix the problem, now it works fine with the original and new magaznines. When I purchased it, I also noticed that the windage adjustment screw was loose to the point that the front sight was just sliding back and forth and the screw was about to fall out. Unfortunatly, I didn't notice it until I was at the range and I didn't have a screwdriver. Between that and the jams, misfires, machinegunning it wasn't a good first experience.

Now it shoots fine for what it is. However, it rusts really fast unless I slather on the gun oil at every cleaning. The chrome on the bolt and paint inside the receiver is also flaking off.

As far as gunshops go, there are very few gunshops I've been to that didn't leave me with the same feeling I get after a trip to a used car lot. Lot's of BS, lots of fanboy antics, mall ninja discussions, etc. However, I've also been to gun shops where the owner seemed to have forgotten more than I'll ever know about firearms. The owner of my favorite gun shop in Auburn AL probably sent his kids to college off of what he made on me.

People at the range generally act pretty much the same as they do online and I take what they say with a grain of salt. Many are fanatics about whatever they happen to own and turn their noses up at everything else. Many get defensive or downright angry if you question their choices, opinions, or tactics. Many blame the gun for their own skill or maintenance failings. Then there are the minority who really, really know their stuff and can be amazing resources for information on anything even remotely related to shooting.
 
Also purchased a CZ 527 in 22 hornet this past weekend and again for alot less than the Remington and the fit and finish is pretty good and you have to look closely to find any imperfections.
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The reason I pulled out this quote is because it seems that many are willing to accept imperfections from so many other rifle makers, but when it comes to Remington, they expect perfection. Perhaps their quality has slipped in the past couple of decades, but when I hear that, I just think we are experiencing selective memory. There were bad Remingtons twenty years ago and there were good ones. Still the same today.
 
Since I'm the one that was quoted last..

I paid 460.00 for my CZ-527. Only thing I could pick out on it was the tiniest of dings on the stock and I know it had been up on the shelf open to whomever wanted to handle it.

I paid 722.00, plus shipping for my Remington CDL Limited and without even looking close I can pick out a hand full of things that aren't so great about it. Don't know what's limited about it, mabye limited to only a 1/2 dozen flaws?

I would also think on their so called limited guns that they could use machined metal, rather than this cast crap.

I do not have a .17 cleaning rod yet, but the bore also looks terrible from the factory test fire. Neither the Ruger or the CZ I've also recently purchased look like they've just fired a few rounds of dirty ammunition through them. Minor details yes, but not what you'd expect from one of the leaders in the firearm industry.
 
Yup, those remingtons are terrible. The fact that my brother dropped a 7 x 7 elk and a couple of caribou with one of them must have been just luck? :rolleyes:
 
cal74,

I knew I should have changed the quote just enough to obscure it's source and just used it as a general quote. I was by no means singling you out, but your quote fit what I was thinking.

You are right the CZ's (and several other makes) are definitely more economical than some Remingtons. I just think there is a double standard when it comes to expectations.
 
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