Wont be buying a remington after hearing this!

[eflatminor]

I have a new 700

With over 500 rounds through it, I have had no problems.

 

[kyle1974]

those guys have something up their ass with remington... probably a crappy gun shop, and remington doens't allow them to do warrenty work, hence remington is "junk"

I guess remington is a joke, and that's why the M700 action is one of the most popular actions for building up custom rifles...

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Can anyone who is down on Remington explain specifically what it is that is now crappy? Fit? Finish? Materials? Poor design of a part? Which part(s)? What exactly makes them poorer quality than older Remingtons? Ain't saying that it ain't happening, but would like some concrete specifics; not just vague allegations.

 

[bigwinchesterfan]

I have an ucle who hunts with a Rem 700 in .243Win... he doesn´t take good care of it, actually in over two years I don´t think he has ever done a good cleaning of it... not to mention a decent bore cleaning...

The rifle shots great, keeps a very smooth bolt and a nice trigger work. Hunting acurracy is still very good.

Now, that coming from a BIG-WINCHESTER-FAN is something to think about.

 

[edSky]

saskboy, can you provide the store names with phone numbers and ideally an address for each. I'd like to pass that information on to Remington. I've spoken to one of Remington's lead engineers in their ammunition development department in Arkansas on a couple of occasions so I know he'll be interested in this and he can pass this information on the right people.

Thanks.

1858, I had been buying Remington UMC in 9mm because Lonoke, Arkansas is not too far from here and I like to support local folks. However, their product makes me look like I am shooting a shotgun and not a target pistol. I actually disassembled 100 of their 9mm 115gr rounds and found a range of powder charges from between 3.8 gr and 4.1 gr, a relative error of between 7% and 8%. That is a poor reflection on their ammunition quality control.

Isn't Remington now owned by FN? I thought they just had a new factory built, another one shut down, and had experienced some quality problems as well. Either way, I am sorely disappointed in the hundreds of dollars I have spent on Remington ammunition. Their components themselves, however, are fairly good - just not the finished product.

 

[Coal Dragger]

No Remington is owned by Cerberus Capital, the same company that owns Bushmaster.

I have also not been terribly impressed with recent production Remington products. A friend of mine has a 700 BDL in .300 WIN, that is a really poor shooter, even carefully worked up reloads trying a variety of powders, bullets, seating depths, and primers have resulted in pretty consistent 1.5-2.0 MOA at best. The finish is not terribly even on the metal work, the floor plate as mentioned is cheesy, and the stock is ugly as sin.

The same friend also owns a Sako 75 in .338 WIN that is a pretty solid rifle and is pretty consistent accuracy wise. This rifle will shoot into 1.0-1.5 MOA with him reloading for it and shooting it.

 

[Horsemany]

Can anyone who is down on Remington explain specifically what it is that is now crappy? Fit? Finish? Materials? Poor design of a part? Which part(s)? What exactly makes them poorer quality than older Remingtons? Ain't saying that it ain't happening, but would like some concrete specifics; not just vague allegations.

I can only tell you what I've noticed, but I am not "down on Remington". The best 700 I've ever owned I purchased 6 months ago. Here's the scoop. Blued 700's don't have the same level of polish on the receiver and barrel. The receivers look tumbled and the barrels are polished on a buffing wheel. Older 700's looked much better and where all polished the same on a wheel. 700's have been through 3 different magazine followers in the last 2 years. I just saw the latest version on a CDL this morning. This one looks OK but the last one was thin stamped junk. The new checkering on wood stocks is stamped junk IMO. Even 3 years ago a BDL still had skipline checkering, not stamped. A trend into more matte finishes is done to save time and money. The new bolt knobs are a little different/smaller than guns of 5 years ago and older. The XMark Pro trigger is a HUGE improvement IMO. I've taken one apart and adjusted several. The matings surfaces are polished mirror smooth. The satin finish used on CDL's stocks is a poor finish that is not very durable at all. The leave a sharp parting seam on the PLASTIC plate in front of the new R3 pad that looks cheap compared to a rubber pad fit by hand. The iron sights are now cast and fit the contours of the barrel poorly. The last BDL I bought I could see daylight under the rear sight. Some SPS's have huge machining marks that even their heavy bead blast couldn't cover up. I saw a SS SPS last year that had HUGE radial scrapes going all the way down the barrel like a candy cane.(apparently quality control thought it was good enough) Shall I go on? The decrease in quality is very real in some areas. Accuracy seems to still be good. The last 2 700's I bought are the most accurate I own and have the best triggers. The Sendero SF II I bought last year is the finest 700 I've ever owned or shot.

 

[goldie]

ive always liked remington & would buy one no questions asked. ive had a few over the years & they have been great. only reason i sold them is i dont hunt,i only target shoot now & have an accumark ,a kleinguenther k15,& super varmintmaster,i just dont need anything else. if i did buy just one more bolt gun it would be a remington,even after reading this. ive read nothing but bashing of the gsg-5 22 rifle, bought one & found it to be totaly reliable, & one of the coolest 22s ive ever had. dont believe everything you hear !

 

[MikePGS]

Originally Posted By The Deer Hunter
The only thing wrong with my 870 is the extractor has a hairline crack in it.

I thought you were going to say that the only thing wrong with your 870 was that someone had welded another 870 to it

 

[MCMXI]

Isn't Remington now owned by FN? I thought they just had a new factory built, another one shut down, and had experienced some quality problems as well. Either way, I am sorely disappointed in the hundreds of dollars I have spent on Remington ammunition. Their components themselves, however, are fairly good - just not the finished product.

edSky, I really don't know anything about Remington ammunition since I don't buy ANY factory ammunition ... with the exception of shotgun shells. The reason why I've spoken to the lead engineer in Lonoke is that I applied for a position there and the phone calls were part of the interview process.

Can anyone who is down on Remington explain specifically what it is that is now crappy? Fit? Finish? Materials? Poor design of a part? Which part(s)? What exactly makes them poorer quality than older Remingtons? Ain't saying that it ain't happening, but would like some concrete specifics; not just vague allegations.

That's a common problem on this board ... folks need to be specific for their posts to have any merit or meaning ... IMHO of course.

 

[deacon8]

That guy who runs the gun shop doesn't sound like he is very bright. "Remington and Savage don't make real good guns...yup, but take a look at this Tikka." If a gun shop told me that, I would leave. Really.

 

[hotlead]

coyotehitman ,
Yes, the bolt rides on plastic sleeves.

 

[SDDL-UP]

I won't be buying a Remington with an HS Precision stock - I'll tell you that!

Tikka? The only one I looked at recently was an entry level gun that I would say is not as nice as a Remington 700.

I've had NO trouble with any of my Remingtons - all 700's and 870's.

 

[mgregg85]

I love hearing dealers bash Savage, I always make a point to tear the $%$#@ out of them when I hear it.

They are just mad because they make a low priced rifle that is more accurate out of the box than most of their competitors. If you spend the same money on a savage and most any other brand the savage will almost always be more accurate. And they have a great trigger now too.

 

[Slamfire]

doesnt even sell remington anymore because he said "they stopped making a good rifle 20 years ago". I also asked about savage (he does sell them) and he said think of the new savages as a 1980"s Hyundia.

I cannot speak to the latest production of Rem 700's, but the Savage is very popular, and I know a number of very satisfied new Savage owners.

My 90's vintage Rem 700's needed stock bedding to shoot their best. The 30-06, I replaced the plastic stock with a Boyd's wood laminate, and bedded that. Both rifles shoot very well.

 

[hotlead]

cottonmouth ,

I guarantee my T3 will shoot under
1", stock. As a matter of fact I have shot next to rem. 700 7mil and .30-06 and had tighter groups all day, which doesnt mean squat but mine were much tighter. Luck I suppose.

 

[ArmedBear]

Too many guys want a beautiful rifle for nothing, which isn't the case anymore.

When some of those really nice, handcrafted production guns were made, a lot of Americans had "a rifle" and "a shotgun."

If you are willing to spend a substantial portion of your income this year, to buy a handcrafted gun that will be your only rifle, and one that will be your only shotgun, for the next 30 years, you can still buy some REALLY nice firearms. Nicer than way back when, actually.

 

[Horsemany]

I won't be buying a Remington with an HS Precision stock - I'll tell you that!

SDDL-UP

What's wrong with H-S Precision stocks? I've never had a problem with one.

 

[jmr40]

Remingtons are not the gun they were 20 years ago, but I believe the gunshop may have overstated the problem a little.

One of my biggest complaints does have to do with the cheap bottom metal and floorplates. It is made of a soft flexible mystery metal that can easily be bent. A lot is said about Tikkas use of plastic, but I am certain the plastic triggerguards and magazines will prove to be stronger than the junk Remington is putting under their rifles at this time.

At about $200 less than a Remington CDL the Ruger Hawkeye is a much better gun at this time. Ruger has made significant accuracy improvements in the last few years to the point that I would put one up against a Remington anyday. They use all steel. No plastic, no aluminum parts.

Even with the things I do not like about the Remington I would still buy one if the price was right and if I wanted one.

 

[rrflyer]

Horsemany, there new spokesmen is controversial at best and a murderer at worst.

and if you listended to every gun counter commando nobody would have an ar15 because they always jam and kimber would be the best pistol every made and glocks could be hit with a 500lb bomb and still shoot 1/16 inch groups at 300 yards.

I'm more impressed by people actually using them than some gun counter guy pushing his wares.

 

[jmr40]

A correction about Tikkas.

I own 2. The bolt absolutely, positively, does not ride on a plastic sleeve. As much as has been written about the Tikkas, the plastic is limited to the "bottom metal", meaning triggerguard, and sleeve for the magazine, the magazine, and the bolt shroud.

If the bolt shroud were to break, who cares. Toss it in the trash, the rifle will work fine without it. Glock and other guns have been using similar plastics for decades and it has proven to be more durable than aluminum in guns. I would rather have a plastic triggerguard than aluminum.

 

[moooose102]

i have been to many stores that knock certain products. i usually walk out without buying anything. but if they knock another store, ESPECIALLY if it is one i know to be good, i NEVER GO BACK!

 

[Girodin]

Let me give you a gun shop tip, anything that they don't have in stock is "junk". I cannot even tell you all the various makes or models I have heard referred to as junk after being informed they didn't have it in stock.

Further don't presume guns shops have the corner on the market when it comes to gun knowledge. I have heard some of the most misinformed or just plain silly things come from the other side of a gun counter. DO your research and go in knowing a lot about what you are wanting to buy and what it ought to cost. Do not go to a gun shop looking to gain all the info you will use to make your decision.

I know of a couple really great knowledgable shops but they are the exception IMO.

 

[CoRoMo]

Posted by cottonmouth
I bet the stuff they had in stock was all top of the line as far as they were concerned, I know dealers like that. If you ask for something they don't have it's "junk" but if it's on the shelf it's the best thing since sliced bread.

+1 on that. You almost posted word for word what goes through my head every time the stool-sitters open their mouth about the item I'm looking for.

However, I'd recommend Ruger M77 over Rem700, but not because I think the 700 is failing.

 

[hotlead]

jmr40,

I was being sarcastic when I said "
Yes, the bolt rides on plastic sleeves". Did you know the plastic mag cant stand up to the recoil. Wink Wink.