Wont be buying a remington after hearing this!

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In the course of hanging around a lot of gunshops, internet sites, ranges, and hunt clubs, I have heard pretty near every gun ever made called "the biggest POS in the world" by somebody.

And for the record, NOTHING is ever as good as it was "in the good old days."

If you let that worry you, you'll never own anything.
 
sounds like you need to shop elsewhere. i'd have no problem buying a new remington or savage.

Remington and Savage are the only bolt centerfire guns I have owned and will have to agree. The oldest I now have was bought in 2005 and the newest in Oct. of last year. The main thought that comes to my mind is how mass produced rifles like Remington and Savage can shoot so darn good!

"they stopped making a good rifle 20 years ago".

The next gun shop/gunsmith (authorized remington warr. depot) said remington hasn't make a good rifle in 10 years

Sounds like real credibility to me! So what is it? :rolleyes: Statements like the above might even be legitimate enough to hold up to scrutiny in high places like Kangaroo Court. What an absolute crock.

Also he commented on the junky hinge plate they have.

This is a first , have no complaints on the hinged floorplate on any of the Remingtons I have in the safe. My friends that own Remingtons have never had any issues. Like to know why they feel it is junky? It's not forged titanium?

I handled a few 700's and liked the feel of the stock but they do seem cheap

Not saying the Tikka is not a real shooter , but I was not overly impressed with the plastic magazine and trigger guards of those I handled. Those items reek cheapness to me as well.
 
Tikka rifle is accurate but the trigger guard is plastic. Drop or bang it and b r e a k . There could be an aftermarket metal guard, not sure.
Some Tikka T3 stainless rifles were recalled due to wrong formula in the stainleess steel used to make the barrel. Some of these rifles were exploding. Don`t get a used one. Find out the serial number range for those that were recalled.
2. Get the Savage.
 
Crackedbut; The Rem 597 is the exception, I also had one that did the something. However that did not detour me from owning and Buying Rem 700's I now own 4 New and Old. They have been Flawless.
 
The basic Remington M700 design can't be too bad...

Which is why I like Howa barreled actions... Remington design, but with a locking safety and Howa manufacturing, at a better price.
 
LOL,he "quit selling remingtons" That's the guy I'd get my info on Remington rifles from...
In my admittedly limited experience the Remington rifles are fine.
Brother in law bought a new one a few years back and he's been smoking whitetails at up to 400 yards,no sweat (never a hiccup)
Lil bro bought one this year can't wait to try it out.
 
IMHO, for pretty much all brands the quality of fit & finish has gone WAY down, while reliability and accuracy has gone up. The days of nicely blued metal and well fitted wood are gone unless you want to drop some serious money, but you can buy a sub-MOA capable rifle for a lot less in today's dollars than in years past.

I think it has to do with labor costs. Fitting wood to metal takes an experienced craftsman who demands a high hourly wage, but precision machining parts to ensure accuracy just takes a good CNC setup, which is a one time investment.
 
I have bought 2 remingtons in the past year and the only problem with both is I can't afford to keep feeding them when I take them prairie dog shooting. They make it so easy.

I bought a winchester model 70 before the remmy 700 and the model 70 couldnt make 4 inch groups with the same scope thats on the 700.
 
IMHO, for pretty much all brands the quality of fit & finish has gone WAY down, while reliability and accuracy has gone up. The days of nicely blued metal and well fitted wood are gone unless you want to drop some serious money, but you can buy a sub-MOA capable rifle for a lot less in today's dollars than in years past.

That's a good summary of this thread, and many other threads, too.

One might think that it would be easier to get good fit in a synthetic stock, but precise manufacture of laminated items can be costly.
 
I think it has to do with labor costs. Fitting wood to metal takes an experienced craftsman who demands a high hourly wage, but precision machining parts to ensure accuracy just takes a good CNC setup, which is a one time investment.

That, and the ROI is excellent. The market for a really nice gun is far smaller than the market for an acceptable production gun that shoots straight.

How many threads do you see on THR where people talk about how great the polished blue on their new rifle barrel is? You know, Ruger still sells a rifle that doesn't look unfinished, at a price that's competitive with [strike]Cerberus[/strike] Remington guns -- actually, more than competitive in some cases. But people complain about the Rugers, and love the fact that the Remington groups tighter, whether it matters or not for whitetails at 150 yards. Clearly, most customers don't much care about polish.:)

Damn near all Remington's guns look like the 870 Express these days, unless they're Custom Shop runs. But like I said, Ruger takes crap here and all over the place because they don't make an elk rifle that shoots 1/2" groups with a hot barrel. Obviously, not a lot of production gun buyers these days give a rip about fit and finish.

Some hot rodders have $5000 paint jobs. Other guys have rusty, dented cars painted with gray primer, and a big engine.

Remington sells to the latter.

Yeah, if you handle one of their guns these days, they seem damned expensive for what is realistically a lower-grade rifle. But man, they do shoot straight, and that's all most of their buyers care about.

I'm guilty, too. I don't see any reason to buy a display-case-quality gun so I can toss it in the mud. I prefer stainless, if I'm paying extra.

There was a thread here recently where a lot of people chimed in that anything but a semiauto is boring.

These are not exactly connoisseurs of firearms, but their money is green.

You can make as much money selling Black Velvet as Balvenie -- either way, you have to know your customers and what they value.
 
From some of these threads I'm guessing we have people on the Savage payroll here. Schills. Several threads are anti Remington.
 
I don't own a single Savage or Remington rifle, and I have no plans to do so.

Actually, I do own a few Marlins, but they're all pre-Remington Marlins -- which is why I bought them. I wanted to get them before Remington ruined one of the last American production rifle companies that made its ordinary products the way I like 'em.
 
From some of these threads I'm guessing we have people on the Savage payroll here. Schills

Do you seriously believe that? Where do I sign up to be a schill and get paid to dick around on gun boards all day? I need to send my resume out to several manufacturers, subject: I will troll for guns! :evil:
 
Good idea, LOL, no I'm not really serious but I am annoyed by it. Maybe I'm getting cabin fever. It's way below zero here and I'm getting cranky.
Thanks for calling me on it, I needed that.:D
 
I hear you it is 7 degrees out now and my daughter was really busting my balls today because she couldn't go outside.
 
Do you seriously believe that? Where do I sign up to be a schill and get paid to dick around on gun boards all day? I need to send my resume out to several manufacturers, subject: I will troll for guns!

lipad, you really ought to start sending out resumes. Remember when I accused you for being a Bushnell/Nikon rep (I don't remember which?) Evidently, you defend/type in a manner that is persuading. I propose that you build a portfolio of you posts in favor of your tastes and then submit that portfolio along with a current resume to your favorite manufacturers. Who knows? Perhaps you get your dream job.

P.S. - Let them know that you could possibly drum up dreamless sales from perusing gun forums.

P.P.S. - Let them know that if you get a moderator position that you will expect a pay raise commensurate with your new found power.

PPS - Aforementioned accusation still stands.

:D
 
Buy a production rifle...

...get a production rifle. The Remington 700 action is a classic. There are more custom builders out there basing their actions on Remingtons over anyone elses. I prefer the Model 70 action (Winchester), but thats a personal preference. Now, when it comes to barrels, you can get a tack-driver or a dude on a preoduction rifle. Its a crap shoot. Ultimately though, if you shoot alot you will need to replace the barrel eventually. Stick a new Shilen, or Obermeyer, or Lilja, etc. on a solid Remington action, and you mean business.

All in all you get what you pay for.
 
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