Would you ever use your bayonet for home defense/hunting?
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towboat_er
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I doubt that I would.
10-96
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heck yeah, I've been using bayonets for close to 25 years now. Never stuck a feller with one and don't intend to- but those suckers are tough and make a great field tool.
I'd ask why not but I'm sure the answer has something to do with getting too close to the thing trying to harm you? I've heard of Eastern Euro hunters hunting bear with odd spear devices.
I find bayonets so interesting it just seems odd people never use them anymore. If one were to use a bayo it certainly would make hunting a bit more interesting.heck yeah, I've been using bayonets for close to 25 years now. Never stuck a feller with one and don't intend to- but those suckers are tough and make a great field tool.
tactikel
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Hunting?? Please check your local game regs!
35 Whelen
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All bayonets are good for is wrecking the point of impact of a rifle/cartridge combo that's been correctly sighted in.
Besides, what's the point of mounting a bayonet on a loaded rifle? Out of ammo you say? Then I must ask why!
35W
Besides, what's the point of mounting a bayonet on a loaded rifle? Out of ammo you say? Then I must ask why!
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Telekinesis
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Bayonets change the harmonics of the barrel and will change your POA/POI. Not something I want when I really need to make a shot count. And why would I want to make an already long gun even longer when I'm using it indoors for HD? If they're close enough that you'd be able to use a bayonet, just pull the trigger!
well I realize you can't go around sticking everything but if you had your rifle would you use it if you had to ie. attacked by something or is that illegal?
well I'm sure there are reasons why a bayonet would be beneficial in a hd situation. Some sort of jam or something.
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That's why my AR15 has one. I can't think of anyone wanting to get stabbed with a bayonet.
Float Pilot
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As I said during 30 years of various military service.
"Instead of making me carry this big, dull, stupid 2 pound bayonet around, why not let me carry a pistol that weighs the same? "
"Instead of making me carry this big, dull, stupid 2 pound bayonet around, why not let me carry a pistol that weighs the same? "
Bayonets went out with the mounted charge...
But you wanted a pic of a pig sticker... here you go:
And no I would never use that for HD or hunting. That is just plain silly.
But you wanted a pic of a pig sticker... here you go:
And no I would never use that for HD or hunting. That is just plain silly.
A bayonet seems unsuitable for home defense. I thought the whole point of a gun was to allow engagement beyond spear range? If you are close enough to use the bayonet, you are close enough to risk losing control of your firearm.
There's not a lot of game you can get close enough to spear. I just pictured someone spearfishing with a Mosin. I hear about people hunting hogs, but meh. It seems a little bloodthirsty to me, but to each his own. I don't have any particular problem with it as long as efforts are made towards a humane kill.
Thank you; I enjoyed that.
There's not a lot of game you can get close enough to spear. I just pictured someone spearfishing with a Mosin. I hear about people hunting hogs, but meh. It seems a little bloodthirsty to me, but to each his own. I don't have any particular problem with it as long as efforts are made towards a humane kill.
Thank you; I enjoyed that.
caribou
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If it's legal, I'd do it....Hmmmmmmmmm, now is it legal in Alaska to hunt with a bayonett? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......
Ohio Gun Guy
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I sure would for HD if it was available and I had to....
Would not go out with the intention of hunting with one. The animal (Even if a invasive species) didnt do anything to deserve less than the most efficient / quick way to dispatch it. That is not a bayonet, esp. if attached to a loaded rifle. Stranded, hungry, and no ammo - that would change things. To go out to the woods to bayonet a deer - no.
All that is out if I'm defending myself.
Would not go out with the intention of hunting with one. The animal (Even if a invasive species) didnt do anything to deserve less than the most efficient / quick way to dispatch it. That is not a bayonet, esp. if attached to a loaded rifle. Stranded, hungry, and no ammo - that would change things. To go out to the woods to bayonet a deer - no.
All that is out if I'm defending myself.
bikerdoc
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Bayonets?
For SD, No
For hunting, no
For SD, No
For hunting, no
I've moved this into NonFirearmsWeapons where it belongs.
Bayonets were an attempt to provide early firearms that were one and done shots at contact range with a clumsy backup role as "spear". They made lousy spears in combat, but they were better than using the rifle as a club or nothing when another group of guys in uniform were approaching you with their lousy spear imitations.
Removing the silly idea of home defense from the discussion, on their own bayonets are good at thrusting, which they were designed to do. Because of the steel and heat treat and edge geometry, the vast majority of bayonets make for very poor knives. Some modern bayonets have attempted to give a soldier a bayonet that can replace a good knife to reduce the amount of gear that has to be carried. For a civilian there are much better choices.
As to any use in hunting, no, that's even more absurd an idea and doesn't warrant serious consideration.
Bayonets were an attempt to provide early firearms that were one and done shots at contact range with a clumsy backup role as "spear". They made lousy spears in combat, but they were better than using the rifle as a club or nothing when another group of guys in uniform were approaching you with their lousy spear imitations.
No one's agreed with you yet and aren't likely to. With a working firearm, and most are reliable (and if yours isn't then you've got other issues), why would you even consider needing something to make it even more unwieldy? Attached to a rifle/shotgun (and Heaven help us)/pistol they make even poorer home defense tools than weapons on the modern battlefield. Like a spear or large sword or large club they take too much room to effectively wield in the confines of homes. They'd be hung up on the furniture, walls or ceiling in short order in the hands of an incompetent user. Equally challenging is the unwieldy combination of long gun and bayonet. Even in areas where you can't own functional firearms no one would mount a bayonet on a replica over simply picking a short spear or baseball bat. A competent user would simply pick something else that was more efficient. Also, why would anyone in a emergency take the time to put a bayonet onto the end of an unwieldy long gun, that happens to go BANG, when moments can make the difference between the life of you and your family and death? It doesn't take much effort to discount the idea.
Removing the silly idea of home defense from the discussion, on their own bayonets are good at thrusting, which they were designed to do. Because of the steel and heat treat and edge geometry, the vast majority of bayonets make for very poor knives. Some modern bayonets have attempted to give a soldier a bayonet that can replace a good knife to reduce the amount of gear that has to be carried. For a civilian there are much better choices.
As to any use in hunting, no, that's even more absurd an idea and doesn't warrant serious consideration.
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Fred Fuller
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Would you ever use them for hunting or home defense?
What would ever give you the idea a fixed bayonet is an appropriate tool for either of these applications? I'm serious, I'd like to know what would make any reasonable person think of such things as this.
What would ever give you the idea a fixed bayonet is an appropriate tool for either of these applications? I'm serious, I'd like to know what would make any reasonable person think of such things as this.
madcratebuilder
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I really don't think there is any point to a bayonet in HD or hunting. There is a point to bayonets as part of a mil-surp rifle collection. Collecting bayonets can be an obsession in it's self and as costly as the rifles they fit. I've seen M1905 bayonets for the M1903 Springfield rifle go for just south of 4K, yes, $4,000 for a bayonet. Pretty crazy for us non 1%er's
My very small collection.
Not a bayonet but a Marine corpsman's knife.
My very small collection.
Not a bayonet but a Marine corpsman's knife.
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No.
Granted I do not have any bayonets, still...
First off, I have better knives for hunting.
Second, anything used in self defense is going to be viewed by a jury of one's peers. These folks are not going to be exact duplicates of yourself, with the same attitudes of self defense, or interpretation of laws, or bayonets or anything else.
One can find themselves in prison and/or paying civil fines for using a kids T ball bat, cast iron skillet, mop, broom, or anything else considered "harmless" or "normal" in a court of law.
Why would I want to set myself up using a bayonet, which most likely will give judge and jury some serious concerns about my choice of tool in defending myself?
One should use the best tool for a task. The best tool is the brain, and it is suggested one train the brain first, as no tool is ever better than the user of said tool.
Steve
Granted I do not have any bayonets, still...
First off, I have better knives for hunting.
Second, anything used in self defense is going to be viewed by a jury of one's peers. These folks are not going to be exact duplicates of yourself, with the same attitudes of self defense, or interpretation of laws, or bayonets or anything else.
One can find themselves in prison and/or paying civil fines for using a kids T ball bat, cast iron skillet, mop, broom, or anything else considered "harmless" or "normal" in a court of law.
Why would I want to set myself up using a bayonet, which most likely will give judge and jury some serious concerns about my choice of tool in defending myself?
One should use the best tool for a task. The best tool is the brain, and it is suggested one train the brain first, as no tool is ever better than the user of said tool.
Steve
Bayonet? They come in handy cutting electrical cable underwater during a bar fight in Mogadishu. Serrated works best.
Of course, not just anyone can do that.
Once the lights went out, things broke up pretty quickly and we moved down the street.
Of course, not just anyone can do that.
Once the lights went out, things broke up pretty quickly and we moved down the street.
Frozen North
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They were originally designed by a Frenchman for bear hunting with a muzzle loader? Correct?
Sooo..... If I was hunting dangerous game with a muzzle loader, and I was prohibited from carrying a pistol, I would want a bayonet on it.
MN allows the holder of a carry permit to carry any pistol they care to holster in the field. So no, I would never want a bayonet for any other purpose than collecting.
Mosin Nagant rifles will not shoot to POA without the bayonet fixed in many cases. Mine was more accurate without the bayonet, but the sights needed adjustment.
Sooo..... If I was hunting dangerous game with a muzzle loader, and I was prohibited from carrying a pistol, I would want a bayonet on it.
MN allows the holder of a carry permit to carry any pistol they care to holster in the field. So no, I would never want a bayonet for any other purpose than collecting.
Mosin Nagant rifles will not shoot to POA without the bayonet fixed in many cases. Mine was more accurate without the bayonet, but the sights needed adjustment.
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