Yet another Glock safety question

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Lately I've read a lot of posts regarding the safety of Glocks (e.g. no external safety, possibility of negligent discharge if anything finds it's way into the trigger guard, etc). Why doesn't this line of thinking also apply to Kahrs or any other pistol that lacks an external safety and or de-cocker that disengages the hammer? Are more likely to go bang without intention? I'm not asking the merit of Glock vs Brand X nor am I challenging anyone's choice of weapon or their loyalty to brand X. I'm also not trying to stir up another discussion on safe gun handling.

This is a question of mechanics that I don't understand so please don't flame me. I'm trying to get a better idea of what's under the hood and why it matters.

For the record, I have a Glock, a Kahr and a Sig and like them equally.

Thanks
 
Anyone who thinks Glocks are unsafe:

A) has no mechanical understanding, either in general or of the Glocks operating system

B) has no trigger discipline

C) has no business carrying any gun of any kind
 
I think Glocks receive all that attention because of the rather light 5 pound trigger.

I had the New York trigger installed, increasing it to 8 pounds.
 
FunYet

I think the reason that the Glocks make alot of people (including myself) nervous is that the trigger pull is so short. With Khar, Barretta, ParaOrdinance, S&W, Sig, and other more "traditional" DAO semiautomatics, the trigger pull is longer and bears a greater resemblance to DA revolver triggers. Combine the Glock's relatively short trigger stroke with only five lbs of resistance (typical DA is 8-10?), and you've got a bad situation for someone who isn't strictly observing safe gunhandling proceedures.

chevrofreak

Don't start screaming at me yet. I agree with you that the Glock is not inherently unsafe. I just think alot of people like to have additional margin of error that a more traditional DA trigger provides. I think it's the same argument you could have with someone who refuses to carry a round in the chamber. Sure they loose some reaction time, but have to admit they gain a substantial measure protection against AD/ND.

Just for the record, I don't own a glock, but plan on purchasing one soon. I just can't pass up the deal to get a brand new one for $409! I think that deal is an excellent move on the part of glock. Every time I go to the gun shop there have been one or two folks coming in to take advantage.
 
LooseGrouper, my question is, WHERE would that deal be?? NIB for $409? Around here, they're $150 more than that...

Inquiring minds want to know... :)
 
Oh, sorry. I'm new to THR, and I just kind of assumed this would be old news here (I've known about it for a month or two). The $409 price is an offer Glock is currently making for AD Military and LEO. At least they are here in Florida. The folks at the various gun shops I talk to all say that is less than the "dealer cost" they cant get them for. Don't know if the dealer is making any money on those or not. At least they are here in Florida.
 
Glock trigger

I make it a point to use a holster with the Glock that will completely cover the trigger and trigger guard area. I have a 10 mm that I got with the intention of packing it in the woods where there are sometimes snaggy things that might get in the trigger guard..
 
The amount of malicious misinformation and incorrect statements concerning Glocks just amazes me. It's almost reached the proportions of the legendary AR-15 "jammomatic". I get the idea that most of it is spread by people that have never owned a Glock, never shot a Glock and many who have never even held one in their hands outside a gun store.

A previous thread is filled with GlockBS, some of it is truly amazing in both it's wrongness and it's level of vitriol. I would have thought better of a gun board, but I suppose gun boards are no different than gun stores, which is where most of the bigtime BS gets started and spread.

If you're interested in Gocks decide for yourself. Buy one of the inexpensive police turn in pistols. I picked up a Glock 22 in very good condition for $350. If you don't like it you can get you money back out if it in a heartbeat. That's what I decided to do and not only am I keeping the 22 but will also buy one or two more when I find them at that price.
 
I'm always amazed at how angry the Glock folks get if anyone criticizes their tupperware......

No one said you couldn't keep yours.
 
"The amount of malicious misinformation and incorrect statements concerning Glocks just amazes me. It's almost reached the proportions of the legendary AR-15 "jammomatic". I get the idea that most of it is spread by people that have never owned a Glock, never shot a Glock and many who have never even held one in their hands outside a gun store."

It has already far beyond any of the AR-15 BS.

It will never fail that some idiot that knows nothing about a Glock will always have to put his BS into a Glock discussion.

It would help if they knew just a little about the subject before they responded but that would just be too much to ask.
 
"I'm always amazed at how angry the Glock folks get if anyone criticizes their tupperware"

We just don't like to see or hear complete 100% BS.

If people would just stick to the facts instead of the "no soul" and assorted other crap people spew it would help out a lot.
 
"Case in point.......

What flavor is the Kool-Aid by the way?"

Just why is it that the owners of Sigs, Berettas, CZ's, H&K's and damn near every other pistol ever made can talk about how good they are and how accurate and reliable they are but if a Glock owner has had that same good experience he can't defend his choice without being thought of as a Kool-Aid drinking snot nosed 12 year old kid?

Just in case you are not aware Glocks are as good or better than the others.

If you don't like this known fact them you are free to not buy one.
 
Oh come on guys. Thou doth protest too much. Don't let the "Glock Trolls" get your goat. If you like your Glocks, fine. I like mine, too. Let those who don't like them say what they will. That just means more for us. :D
 
I swear, some people act like their gun is an extension of their pee-pee or something.

:rolleyes:

HOW DARE YOU insult my wonderful wang, uh I mean [insert gun here]?!?! :neener:
 
Chill!

Hey folks, as I stated in my original question, I did not ask questions intending to start a Glock:GlockNot thread. My original question was stricktly an attempt to understand the mechanics of Glocks and similar pistols. I tried to state it as inflamatory (is that a word?) as possible.

I've gotten some good information and sorry if I stirred up any hornets :uhoh:

By the way, I just got back from the range and an hour burning up some more $$$ downrange with my Glock 26 and Sig 239. Too much fun!
 
Why doesn't this line of thinking also apply to Kahrs or any other pistol that lacks an external safety and or de-cocker that disengages the hammer?
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The reason is that this line of thinking doesn't apply to the Glock either.
 
I still consider my self a Glock Newbie, going on 2 months now.

I have owned and used various 1911's for the past ~quarter century.

One is as safe as the other but only as safe as the operator, Period!


I am finding my stock Glock trigger to be a nice compromise between a 1911's short light pull and a Sigs long heavy pull. Admittedly I have very limited experience with the Sig .

If I have a complaint about my Glock is the HUGE trigger guard.

I love my 1911's and am liking my Glock more all the time.

FWIW.. I can testify to the fact that most if not all 1911 owners are as loyal to and passionate about their choice in weapons as Glock owners are.

Sooner or later they will try both in order to obtain enlightenment.......

Oh Yeah and I would rather push my Ford Truck than drive a Chevy! :neener: Although I have been known to tow a Chevy now and again just to help out a fellow truck guy. :D
 
Bobby Lee, 3rdpig, stop what sounds like whining. Generalized statements are of no use nor value and certainly don't help your cause.

Now, if you have a beef or gripe with ignorance, which is certainly okay, then point out specifically the problem. There was nothing in the above statements that was specifically addressed. You waved your hands in general directions with general complaints. Glocks are not unsafe as a general rule, but they are less safe or less forgiving than some other pistols. I make that statement, it is plain, and direct. Where am I wrong?

A while back I made a statement about CZ's that was technically correct but judged misleading by another member. While I took issue with the manner the correction was made, the other fellow felt the need to point out specifically where my statement was too broad or misleading. His point was specific in disagreement about what was stated.

Now is your turn. Point out specifically where the errors are in this posting. If you can do that (which is certainly possible), then do so. Otherwise, don't just flail about, complaining about ignorance. If you are more knowledgeable, which it seems you are, then share the information and educate the ignorant. Otherwise, you lose credibility.

Ash
 
I think that anyone is of the opinion that the Glock action is less safe due to lack of a manual safety would have to conclude that the Kahr and other similar autos are also less safe. When the DA revolver was the primary choice for LE or self defense most folks scoffed at 1911's and HP's because of their manual safeties. The thought was that the semi auto design added too many things to go wrong in a "holy crap" situation. The human brain is the most significant safety factor. I don't think anyone has a right answer here but we all have opinions.
 
Funny, I recently had a conversation with a local PD's firearms instructor about the Glock. (I have a Model 19, by the way). He's a big fan, likes the short trigger pull, ease of maintainance, etc. I showed him my Sig 239, and he rather sheepishly admits that, in the end, his department's decision came down to Glock vs. Sig vs. Smith. Smith lost due to reliability concerns with the T&E guns. Sig lost due to cost. Glock was simply an offer they couldn't refuse.

Glock is a quality gun from a quality manufacturer. If you like it, enjoy! Don't like it? Enjoy something else!
 
Bobby Lee, 3rdpig, stop what sounds like whining. Generalized statements are of no use nor value and certainly don't help your cause.
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I have no "cause". I just would like to know why if you own a Glock and claim it is a good pistol you are considered a "Kool-Aid drinker" with no business in an adult conversation about firearms?

Don't some of these idiots know that there has been over one million Glocks sold and there HAS to be a few people that have had good experiences with them?

And just what is wrong with telling about one's good experience with a gun?

If is fine to claim your Sig, Beretta, or whatever is good but why can't we claim that one of the most pouplar handguns and one that has the majority of LEO sales in the US is also good?

You should also be aware that not all Glock owners are some dumbass 16 year old kid or some cop that is required to carry one.

There are plenty of Glock owners with years of experience with ALL handguns that carry a Glock because it has proven itself to be a good reliable and SAFE gun and it works for them better than whatever YOU like.
 
It will never fail that some idiot that knows nothing about a Glock will always have to put his BS into a Glock discussion.
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Don't some of these idiots know that there has been over one million Glocks sold and there HAS to be a few people that have had good experiences with them?
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Yup. You're the reasonable one.....
 
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