You hear a noise in the middle of the night (kids in the house)

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Thankfully we have never had any strange noises in our house that I've had to go check out. But I have wondered what would be the best thing to do. My house has my wife, two kids and myself.

If you heard a noise in the living room would you simply check it out or first check on your kids?

If you checked on your kids would you send them to your bedroom with your wife or leave them be?

I'd like to send them to my wife who would have her own gun just in case something bad were to happen. But that would take time, create noise, and allow the intruder to know I was up and about. We only have a one story 1300 sq ft. house so there is no way to do that quietly.

What are your thoughts? What have you taught your children to do?
 
if the dogs start being what dogs are when they hear something, the kids have been told to go to their bedrooms upstairs. The outdoor lights are coming on (that point away from the house) and the inside lights go off. If the problem has four legs the kids come back downstairs. If they have two legs... Well, there is a plan.
 
For a real threat - breaking down a door, clearly hearing someone breaking in a window, voices in the living room, etc.?

It dramatically depends on the home layout, age of children, urban or rural, spouses' level of competence, etc.

But in general doing a home search is suicide if there is an armed threat. Home clearing is done by professionals in teams of 4+ with long guns and body armor. You alone? That leaves you dead and your wife and kids alone with an armed intruder.

Best plan is to figure a way to get everyone in the same room, with adults armed and phones calling 911.

Now, sometimes you hear a noise but aren't sure. I recently awoke to a large sound of glass breaking in my house. I grabbed my gun and phone, and waited for a moment and listened. No more noises. Turns out a poorly mounted something fell and broke. So not every bump in the night is a home invasion!
 
There was an article and video about how to prepare against a home invasion just the other day at http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...t-your-family-during-a-violent-home-invasion/. I liked the part about having a pre-prepared safe room (which in the video I believe was windowless although they didn't mention this point that I remember) for the kids and one spouse, with cellphone, gun, metal door & frame with 3 evenly spaced deadbolts; presumably the family drills getting the kids and the designated spouse into that room really fast. The other part of the plan is that the other spouse is also armed and uses cover and concealment and works on getting the bad guys. But go watch the video, don't rely on my description, you guys being infinitely more experienced in these matters will likely notice more things than I just reported.
 
The minute a door opens or closes, or a car door shuts, or even a window slams shut, my dog is raising hell to the point that my neighbors will even know. If someone ever does break in, they won't be doing so unannounced. Everyone in the house will have plenty of notice.

I'm a 22yo college student and I live at home with my Dad. He's not an avid shooter like me, but he knows how to handle firearms so I have (more like insist on) him keeping one of my revolvers in his room downstairs. I don't think we have an exact plan, other than if we hear the dog bark and any other noises, just call 911 and wait in our rooms with guns pointed at the door.
 
Gather the family in a safe room and dial 911. The last thing you want is two armed people with nerves on edge not in direct visual contact with each other.

Wherever the safe room is make sure you have a charged up cell phone in there. Even old phones with no active service contracts can dial 911. Keep a spare gun, spare ammunition and flashlight in this location in case you have to head there without grabbing your primary weapon. If the safe room is an upstairs room, keep a spare key to your front door in there tied to a glow stick. That way when the cops arrive you can toss the glow stick and keys out the window and onto the lawn and they can more easily enter the house.

Check out Rob Pincus' book "Defend Yourself".
 
I have two dogs, one that the intruder will have BIG problems getting past unless he likes being a chew toy, and his sister that the intruder would most likely trip over. Both will alert us if something out of the ordinary is even remotely wiggling on the other side of the door. Me and the wife are the only two in the house and are in the same room, both with bedside weapons and phones on the night stand.
 
I play the odds that's it's nothing and go straight to noise, probably not the best strategy but it's what I do. I live I a rural area with wildlife outside so more times than not its a noise outside.
 
The video wasn't bad but it completely ignored the passive measures you can take to harden your home enough to give you enough advanced warning of a break in to take those actions they recommend. If you don't take those passive measures to slow them down, home invaders will be on top of you before you can react.

Let me start by saying that a home invasion like is portrayed in the video is something most people do not need to worry about. Most home invasions are either related to other criminal activity by a resident or are set up because the victim either keeps a large amount of cash or other easily negotiable valuables or a resident works in a high risk occupation like bank vault or armored car company manager or jeweler.

The rest of us pretty much have to be concerned with the burglar looking to grab guns, jewelry or electronics or the intoxicated person who doesn't realize where he is.

Another threat is the person that has a grievance with a member of the household.

The best defense is steel clad exterior doors with good deadbolt locks and long hardened screws for the hinges. Motion activated exterior lighting, decorative thorny plants underneath first floor windows and an alarm system.

Dogs are good but you can't depend on them. You need an alarm. I don't care how alert you think your dog(s) are, there is always the chance they won't wake up.

You should be well aware of the normal noises in your home environment. There is no need to run the repel boarders drill if the furnace kicks on, a book falls over etc.

An alarm will give you a lot of piece of mind.

Everyone's plan of action is going to be different based on the layout of your home and the individual circumstances. We can really only talk generalities.

And again, don't lose sleep worrying about a heavily armed group of intruders invading your home. For most people it is absolutely the least likely threat.
 
But in general doing a home search is suicide if there is an armed threat. Home clearing is done by professionals in teams of 4+ with long guns and body armor. You alone? That leaves you dead and your wife and kids alone with an armed intruder.
In my home county at zero dark thirty your going to have to get all the SO patrol deputy's on duty and wake up and get mutual aid from the nearest town cop, the division of wildlife and the state police to get 4+ armed cops in my house.
You'd be looking at 20 minutes minimum and chances are only the deputies have even been to the range together. I'm not saying I represent 80% of the population but your statement is clearly way off base.
Happily when my kids were living at home we had a top notch lab who was ever vigilant watching over the house.
I have often had phantom alarms from my smoke detectors and have walked my house sniffing for smoke and found none, I would assume the potential is the same for intruder alarms.
 
We had an attempted home invasion about 15 years ago. When the police got here they asked if we had a Dog. My Wife HATES Dogs so we didn't. She had been scared so badly within a few months we had five. :evil:
 
The standard answer here is wait for the cavalry, this needs to be tailored to your local.
 
If I'm checking out the house, of course I'll look in on the kids. Heck, there's a chance they're the ones making the racket.

However, unless the kids are already up, there'll be no sending them anywhere else...at least, not quietly. I can't get my kids up and moving , especially my daughters, without a block and tackle.

:)
 
If I lived in a house with multiple bedrooms on different levels filled with loved ones my first purchase after guns and lights would be a good solid Lab.
 
The video wasn't bad but it completely ignored the passive measures you can take to harden your home enough to give you enough advanced warning of a break in to take those actions they recommend. If you don't take those passive measures to slow them down, home invaders will be on top of you before you can react.

Let me start by saying that a home invasion like is portrayed in the video is something most people do not need to worry about. Most home invasions are either related to other criminal activity by a resident or are set up because the victim either keeps a large amount of cash or other easily negotiable valuables or a resident works in a high risk occupation like bank vault or armored car company manager or jeweler.

The rest of us pretty much have to be concerned with the burglar looking to grab guns, jewelry or electronics or the intoxicated person who doesn't realize where he is.

Another threat is the person that has a grievance with a member of the household.

The best defense is steel clad exterior doors with good deadbolt locks and long hardened screws for the hinges. Motion activated exterior lighting, decorative thorny plants underneath first floor windows and an alarm system.

Dogs are good but you can't depend on them. You need an alarm. I don't care how alert you think your dog(s) are, there is always the chance they won't wake up.

You should be well aware of the normal noises in your home environment. There is no need to run the repel boarders drill if the furnace kicks on, a book falls over etc.

An alarm will give you a lot of piece of mind.

Everyone's plan of action is going to be different based on the layout of your home and the individual circumstances. We can really only talk generalities.

And again, don't lose sleep worrying about a heavily armed group of intruders invading your home. For most people it is absolutely the least likely threat.
Excellent point. Thanks to the previous owner I have metal security doors on all my doors -- in case these are not common in other parts of the country, they are perforated steel or iron with their own metal frame which has no external screws, and at least two locks of which one is a deadbolt, they are installed outside the regular door, and can be purchased in attractive designs in various colors. The huge advantage is that you can open the regular door to see who's there and have a conversation with them without opening your *house*, so if somebody rings your bell to test whether anybody's home, you answer the door and if the person was planning burglary as opposed to robbery s/he makes up some story and goes and finds another house. These doors also cannot be kicked in. I read somewhere that 85% of break-ins are through a door, so having these should make your house a much harder target.

Out here the popular form of home invasion is one person who comes to your door with a story designed to get you to open the door (or alternatively go outside leaving the door unlocked), at which point their colleagues all rush in, I have had two such attempts here as well as one who instead was banging on windows at the back of the house in the middle of the night, that one was a lot scarier and I called 911, the other two I just closed the regular door on. (And later felt guilty for not trying to do something to help get them caught.)
 
How you respond to such a threat is going to depend upon a lot of specific variables that would be hard to know or account for in this particular post. For example, in my home we currently have no children, and all of our bedrooms are located in the same basic area of the house. From my bedroom door I could effectively control movement throughout the upstairs level of the house, preventing an attacker from advancing on my position, or transitioning from one area of the house to another. If I had children in the home I'd probably leave them in their rooms. The other bedrooms are on either side of the master bedroom, and the line of fire from the door of the master is away from those bedrooms. Again, someone would have to advance on my position to take any of the bedrooms, and I would have an effective ambush position if that were to occur.

But, a home invasion wouldn't necessarily occur in that manner. What if your bedrooms are on opposite ends of the house? Many homes place the master and secondary bedrooms across the main floor from each other, and you could find yourself in a position where a criminal is between you and your children. Or, what if a break-in happens while you aren't in your bedroom, or your children aren't in their bedrooms? What if you're in the shower, or your basement, or anything else? Simply put, a one-size-fits-all solution does not exist to these tactical scenarios.

Honestly, there are times when going to the threat is going to be the right thing to do. Make no mistake about this, it's a very dangerous thing to do, but it could prove necessary to protect your family depending on your circumstances. Needless to say, it's always preferable to do the ambushing, rather than being ambushed, so you should carefully consider the critical need to conduct a search before doing so!

I disagree with the idea that it takes four armed guys to clear a residence safely. We routinely find ourselves in such situations at work, and we often conduct clearances with 2 officers on routine patrol. Obviously more is better in these cases, but two can certainly get it done with most homes in a pinch. But, it's important to keep in mind that when I clear a home with one other officer I'm usually doing so in situations where we don't know if there is a threat in the home or not. And, we're well trained for these kinds of clearances. If we have an armed barricaded subject, we're going in with a SWAT team, probably some gas, some flash bangs, a police dog, etc.

As for the linked video above, I kind of laughed at that hypothetical, as it doesn't represent 99.9% of the cases that would be considered a home invasion. To have 3+ attackers armed with rifles moving throughout your house using any form of tactics is going to be extremely unlikely, unless you're facing down a SWAT team (in which case you better just do as you're told).

The overwhelming majority of home invasions are conducted by those who have other nefarious intentions (other than just simply killing you): burglaries, robberies, sexual assaults, etc. More often than not the home invader is going to be a burglar who may or may not be armed, but probably wasn't expecting to find a homeowner inside. A violent robbery can certainly be a realistic threat, and may involve multiple attackers, but I've yet to see one where three guys armed with rifles invaded a home together. In the area where I currently patrol the most common "home invasion" is actually drunken college students kicking their way into the wrong house after they discover that the key to "their" door doesn't work.

All bets are off if you're a drug dealer, or otherwise involved in some type of organized criminal enterprise… those are the situations where I've seen the most violent home invasions in the past.
 
The overwhelming majority of home invasions are conducted by those who have other nefarious intentions (other than just simply killing you): burglaries, robberies, sexual assaults, etc. More often than not the home invader is going to be a burglar who may or may not be armed, but probably wasn't expecting to find a homeowner inside. A violent robbery can certainly be a realistic threat, and may involve multiple attackers, but I've yet to see one where three guys armed with rifles invaded a home together. In the area where I currently patrol the most common "home invasion" is actually drunken college students kicking their way into the wrong house after they discover that the key to "their" door doesn't work.

This is true just about everywhere. In 20 years working in this area I can remember just one home invasion that didn't involve someone looking to rip off someone's drugs or someone who had some kind of conflict with someone living in the house.

That incident involved an older couple who ran a shop. It was rumored that they kept a large amount of cash in a safe in their home. One Tuesday night two masked men kicked in the front door about 10pm slugged the man who lived there and forced him to open the safe. Then tied him and his wife up with duct tape and left. I was working that night and we were there withing 2 minutes of the 911 call after the wife broke free. The robbers were long gone and despite some very hard looks at a couple family members who knew about the money, they were never caught.

Like I said, very few people have to worry about a home invasion like the one portrayed in the video. Considering it was from Houston and they did have a rash of drug related home invasions like that I can see where they got the idea, but to put that on the news probably scared a whole lot of people who had nothing to worry about.

X-Rap said;
If I lived in a house with multiple bedrooms on different levels filled with loved ones my first purchase after guns and lights would be a good solid Lab.

Guns and lights and a solid dog are good things to have. And for some reason that's the first thing everyone thinks about when this subject comes up. But the first thing you should think about is making your home physically secure so that you have enough time to deploy your neat "tactical" tools.

Good doors and locks, exterior lighting and landscaping certainly aren't as neat as guns, flashlights and dogs but they are so much more important.

If someone is breaking into your home in the middle of the night like was represented in the video, you are going to die in your bed before you have time to employ the gun you keep at your bedside unless you make it hard enough for them to gain entry that you have time to wake up from REM sleep, figure out what's happening and react.

Think layers of security. if you have a driveway, an alarm at the end of it so you can tell when someone drives up. Motion detector lights on the outside of the house. Some means of limiting access to ground floor and basement windows and good exterior doors and locks. Once those measures are in place, you can sleep soundly knowing that the chances of you being surprised in your sleep are pretty slight. Everyone needs a place where they can safely go to condition white and relax.
 
One should also consider the difference between "hearing a noise in the house in the middle of the night" and "having reason to believe someone's broken into the house in the middle of the night".

"Hearing a noise" doesn't necessarily equate to "home invasion". What I do depends on how I evaluate what I heard.
 
Guns and lights and a solid dog are good things to have. And for some reason that's the first thing everyone thinks about when this subject comes up. But the first thing you should think about is making your home physically secure so that you have enough time to deploy your neat "tactical" tools.

Good doors and locks, exterior lighting and landscaping certainly aren't as neat as guns, flashlights and dogs but they are so much more important.

If someone is breaking into your home in the middle of the night like was represented in the video, you are going to die in your bed before you have time to employ the gun you keep at your bedside unless you make it hard enough for them to gain entry that you have time to wake up from REM sleep, figure out what's happening and react.

Think layers of security. if you have a driveway, an alarm at the end of it so you can tell when someone drives up. Motion detector lights on the outside of the house. Some means of limiting access to ground floor and basement windows and good exterior doors and locks. Once those measures are in place, you can sleep soundly knowing that the chances of you being surprised in your sleep are pretty slight. Everyone needs a place where they can safely go to condition white and relax.

Sound advice, my hubby's theory on lights is if the unthinkable happens to have the lights positioned so they will blind the intruder but minimize blinding us. The lighting scheme we have would do so both outside and inside the house. While we don't have motion sensors, we do have a very large Charlois bull that expects a treat from anyone pulling into the driveway. Not giving him that treat - the way hubby puts it - gets about the same reaction as a welfare mom not getting her SNAP card.
 
A pro active plan should be in place. Taking a re-active stance when and if trouble comes calling, leads more to uncertainty than a resolution.
 
The NRA course Personal Protection in the Home makes the following recommendations, many of which are covered in previous posts.

1. Harden the house. Prune bushes away from windows and doors. Plant bushes with thorns if you must have landscaping near doors and windows. Install motion sensor lights. Steel core doors. Bars on sliding glass doors/windows. LOCK your doors and windows.
2. Have a plan and practice it. Wife/husband/kids should know what to do if there's a perceived threat.
3. Create a safe room with a hard door and locks. Practice the plan to get everyone to the safe room. If kids are at the other end of the house, that might be the safe room.
4. If there's a perceived threat: Arm yourself. Get family to safe room. Then call 911 and keep them on the line.
5. Don't attempt to clear the house yourself. If there's an intruder, let them take the TV. Wait for them to come to you.
6. When the police arrive, put the gun down and follow directions quickly and exactly. Expect to go on the ground/floor and maybe cuffed until officers sort things out.

Obviously, there's a big difference in response to an odd sound and the certain knowledge that someone unauthorized is in your house. Equally obvious, don't deal drugs or post your firearms/jewelry/gold coin/rare stamps collection on Facebook.

One excuse for having cats is that lots of bumps in the night can be explained by them. Ours, in the process of chasing miller moths, knocked some decorative rocks into the garbage disposal and then managed to turn it on.
 
"The overwhelming majority of home invasions are conducted by those who have other nefarious intentions (other than just simply killing you): burglaries, robberies, sexual assaults, etc. More often than not the home invader is going to be a burglar who may or may not be armed, but probably wasn't expecting to find a homeowner inside. A violent robbery can certainly be a realistic threat, and may involve multiple attackers, but I've yet to see one where three guys armed with rifles invaded a home together. In the area where I currently patrol the most common "home invasion" is actually drunken college students kicking their way into the wrong house after they discover that the key to "their" door doesn't work. "

My elderly cousins lived in a senior building that was supposedly secure. One night a guy broke into their apartment, threw the husband out of his wheelchair onto the floor, struck the wife hard enough to break her arm, grabbed whatever it was he wanted, and fled. The husband has since passed, the wife has been on xanax ever since and still has nightmares about the incident many years later.
 
Did anyone mention motion detectors and alarms?
Kind of like having a dog but without needing to feed it or take it to the vet.
A thump heard in the night, without a motion detector going off usually means it's just the refrigerator, the wind, or a racoon on the roof wearing army boots.
 
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