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you know what my pet peeve is?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by avs11054, Jul 4, 2013.

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  1. Lex Luthier

    Lex Luthier Member

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    Sighting down a new weapon does NOT need to even happen at the gun counter. You examine the mechanism, the parts, the finish, pertinent numbers, check for flaws.

    I believe that grabbing a weapon and sighting it like that is the most newbie move you can make. It shows that you don't care about the above important stuff. And it makes you look like a newbie. You can sight that thing in later when it's loaded.

    "Checking your aim" should only happen in a live fire environment. If you do not have the patience to wait and not look like an idiot, don't buy a gun please. This is how negligent discharges happen.
     
  2. PabloJ

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    My pet peeve is ignorant and stupid people having access to firearms. They should test common sense on federal and state gun purchasing forms that way maybe people would try harder in school think about what they're doing and our population would stop becoming more and more stupid as time goes on.
     
  3. 76shuvlinoff

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    I was on jury where one drug dealer ripped off another drug dealer .... to shorten the story the prosecuting attorney kept sweeping the jurors box with a PGO shotgun. I was royally pissed but bit my lip and didn't speak up.

    To this day I don't know if he did it out of ignorance or intentionally to intimidate the jury with this weapon of mass destruction. All it did for me was convince me he was a fool.
     
  4. beatledog7

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    NDs are not caused by this; they are caused by fingers on triggers.
     
  5. HOOfan_1

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    umm...sorry...but that is wrong....

    Why would you buy a gun if you don't even know if it fits your hand well and "points" well for you. Once you buy the gun it is yours....how many gunshops do you know which will take the gun back if you come back in and say "well it just doesn't fit me well"?

    Guess you must think that dry fire practice that many instructors advocate is wrong as well....because you aren't doing that practice "at the firing line"

    Point the gun in a safre direction....pretty easy.
     
  6. Hanzo581

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    I don't know about gun shows where you are but here they guns actions are zip tied, so while I don't like it I let it slide. It does happen to me at gun shops though, but I end up saying something or moving. While the chances are "1 in a million" of the gun being loaded, my luck has been known to be pretty bad.
     
  7. Madcap_Magician

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    This has never happened to me in Minnesota, which is a good thing, since pointing a firearm, loaded or unloaded, at another person in Minnesota constitutes Assault in the Second Degree. :fire:
     
  8. stumpers

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    I've never had a negligent discharge due to the impatience associated with fully checking the ergonomics of a potential gun purchase by looking down the sights.

    I have, however, decided not to buy a gun after holding on target and realizing the sights sucked or the thing pointed funny in my hands.

    I'm going to Cabelas later today and I'm going to pick up every gun I can and "check my aim" - I may not even buy anything.
     
  9. Torian

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    Irrelevant statistic. We always do our best to mitigate risks. A little bit of tact can go a long way when it comes to explaining gun safety.

    I'll worry about their personal embarrassment later :)
     
  10. Salmoneye

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    That is your opinion...

    My opinion is that only a n006 would get home and find out that the front sight is canted on a rifle or revolver...

    Now instead of just not buying the gun, the n006 has to contact the manufacturer for a call tag, etc., etc....
     
  11. GBExpat

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    You really think that that is what this is about? Really?
     
  12. David E

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    And gun accidents never happen, right?

    Pretty generous odds when YOU know absolutely nothing about its status, who handled it, etc.
    Allowing them to think its A-OK to point a gun at people as long as the "odds are a million to one of it being loaded" is worse.
     
  13. Carl N. Brown

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    I would be peeved. I got four pet peeves stolen from Jeff Cooper:
    * People with no danger awareness: who don't treat all guns (even "range toys" and "wall hangers") with the respect due loaded lethal weapons.
    * People with no muzzle discipline: who let the muzzle sweep anyone or anything that should not be destroyed.*
    * People with no trigger discipline: who put their finger on the trigger when they are not actually sighting an intended target.
    * People with no situational awareness: who don't clearly identify their target and have no idea what else is in their line of fire.
    I also have several dozen free range peeves, besides my pet peeves, but that's enough for now.

    *I have been known to aim at sprinkler fixtures at the gun shop or gun show ceiling, but never at people. (Come to think of it, nothing would shout fire in a crowded auditorium like shooting the end off a sprinkler! Finger off the trigger when checking sight picture!)
     
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  14. Trent

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    My boresight target is my camper's rear reflector. The 'hotel on wheels' sits about 50 yards from my back deck.

    My dry fire handgun target is whatever happens to be on my 46" TV screen. But I only do dry fire with all ammo removed from my immediate vicinity, and the gun gets checked again after I grab a late night snack or b-room break.

    People who live in apartments or multi-level homes have it tougher than some, they really need to focus on trigger discipline.

    Buddy of mine who lived in an apartment put a round of 12 ga 00-buck through the ceiling, in to his friend's apartment above his, one night. He swears he checked the gun.... Only thing hurt was some drywall and a T shirt on the floor of his friend's apartment, but his friend was sleeping 6' away from the new hole in his floor.

    Slept right through it, too. My friend ran upstairs and pounded on his door to check on the other guy, got no answer for a couple of minutes until he finally woke up and answered the door. My buddy thought he'd killed him, since it was night time and the round went up through the bedroom floor.

    No one in the apartment complex heard it, no LEO was involved.
     
  15. Trunk Monkey

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    My opinion, take it for what it’s worth. I’m not going to change their behavior I just step out of the line of fire
     
  16. cbpagent72

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    What is a high cap firearm? I believe you meant a firearm that can accommodate high cap magazines but what do you consider a high cap magazine?

    Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
     
  17. Cee Zee

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    It's actually very simple. Point at a high spot on a wall above the head of everyone. Any possible ricochets would have to bounce off the wall then off the ceiling (2 rails if you shoot pool) before coming back down to hit someone. It may not be a perfect system but it's a dang better way than aiming directly at another human.

    You know there are people who get totally out of their head seeing a gun pointed their way. Victims of previous crimes can fall into that category. Having a loaded gun pointed at you in anger is no fun whatsoever. I know that much because I've had them pointed at me during armed robberies. I can see where that would cause less stable people to completely lose it on the floor of a gun shop. Pointing any gun at someone is never a good idea.

    Yes I know we all sweep innocent types every time we carry concealed pretty much. If nothing else I sweep myself while carrying concealed. There are rules for that situation too. And I try very hard to follow them. We all should. We don't need any more bad press about accidents. We should try to educate the uninitiated here and in the real world too.
     
  18. OptimusPrime

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    FWIW, I learned something I heard on THR about a year ago.
    Every time I handle a firearm at a store, I always ask the clerk "where is a safe direction to point?"
    They like the question, and I hope that the habit of doing that translates into them pointing it out to every customer. It's one of those "demonstrate a good thing and people will copy it." Hopefully. My daughter does it already.
     
  19. beatledog7

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    And what about the path of that muzzle as it swings up to that safe spot? Sure, that spot could be safe, but you can't beam the muzzle up there--it has to travel a path.
     
  20. Cee Zee

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    I make sure I have a path to raise it up or I keep it pointed at the floor. I've never failed to find a safe path to pointing a gun high though. Usually I make sure the gun is pointed up when I grab it. Most of the time the people working in gun shops know the best way to get the gun pointed high and I just keep it up when they hand the gun to me.
     
  21. Tango2020

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    I had the same thing happen to me at a Bass Pro. A 10 year old kid picked up a used hunting rifle off of a rack, pointed it straight at me looking through the scope.

    I understand what the OP said....I was frozen. I was carrying concealed and did not go for my gun but having a muzzle pointed at you hits you like a ton of bricks.

    His Dad turned an said "put that down" and the kid drops the rifle on the floor,picks it up and set it back on the rack.

    You can say all the comments of what you WOULD say or do IF that happened to you.
    A Kid,unloaded,in a gun store,odds. None of that was in the calculations while I had that muzzle pointed at my head.
    P.S I just turned and walked out of the store.
     
  22. morcey2

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    In a busy gun store or a gun show, I get irked but keep my mouth shut. What I don't like is when there are only 2 of us in a gun store (not counting employees) and the other customer can point almost anywhere but keeps pointing guns directly at me. It has happened a couple of times. I ask nicely the first time and quit being very nice after that. Usually the employees back me up.

    There are times that you're going to be covered by the muzzle and you can't do anything about it, but don't get complacent when it happens.

    Matt
     
  23. HOOfan_1

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    Indeed. Many of us are in more danger every day on the freeway with that 35 ton semi right on our bumper.

    No need to be complacent when someone points a gun at you in a gun store...but if you know it is just poor gun handling, there is no reason to break into a cold sweat either. Just move out of the line of fire.

    Guns pointed in your direction at the range...that is a step up in danger.
     
  24. maxyedor

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    Poor management at your local Cabelas. Employees should be instructing customers where to safely point a gun before handing it over. Sure not everybody pays attention to that, but it solves 99% of problems.

    One of my local gun-shops has animal mounts throughout the store in safe spots, that works really well. Instead of "point at that wall" it "Check out that boar's head over there". Those of us familiar with firearms know it's just a safe place to point, the uninitiated think "oh cool, it's like I'm shooting a pig".
     
  25. allaroundhunter

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    This irrational fear right here is my biggest pet peeve....
     
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